What Is A Wedding Like In Your Area?

[Ryan]

When I got married (close to 12 years ago!), I knew that Chicago-area weddings were a little more of a big deal than our friends that lived in other states (Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin). In general, we spent more money on the halls, everyone was more dressed up, and there was more attention (and money) paid to the details. When we’d go to friend’s weddings in Indiana or something, everything was kinda toned down a notch. People were dressed more casually, there was usually not an open bar but just a keg kinda sitting out, and it wouldn’t be super surprising to have a buffet for dinner.

We had a pretty nice wedding in my opinion, but the bar keeps getting raised a little bit each year…some things cost money, some take time, and others are just for the overall experience. A few things:

• I didn't know anyone that did save the date cards when we were married, now it’s expected.
• We had a photographer/videographer, but I feel like it was a pretty simple operation. Now there are like 5-6 people doing video/pictures at a wedding.
• It’s very commonplace for the bride/groom to say something at the wedding, it’s very common for the parents of the bride/groom to say something, and common (although a bit less so) for additional groomsmen/bridesmaids to give speeches. We didn’t do any of that stuff!
• One thing that I never saw anybody do, but is now commonplace at weddings is the bridesmaids/groomsmen entrance to the reception. When I got married, everyone just walked in. Now, everyone feels the need to do some kind of dance as they enter. I think it probably started out as kinda funny when actual funny people were doing it, but now it’s so expected that it’s just super lame. 
  
• One thing that seems like it’s popping up more is surprises that come during the wedding. I was just at a wedding where the entire bridesmaid clan learned some dance and performed it for the bride at the reception. Another one is where they hired some opera singer to sing their favorite song or something.
  
• It used to be acceptable to keep the bar closed during dinner….now that’s looked down upon. You should have the bar open during dinner and, at the very least, serve wine.
  
• Very common now to have a second meal at the very end of the night. A lot of times it’s pizzas, burgers from a local place, etc. 
• A care package for all the guests that are staying in the hotel.  Usually it's snacks and stuff that are favorites of the bride/groom.
  

Some are good additions (video/photo, a small amount of extra speeches, booze during dinner, save the date), but the rest is just added stress or lame (dancing entrances).

So how about you?

[swamp]

I had a "fancy" wedding for the area.

I had a buffet, a keg out, and people were dressed pretty casually.

Casual weddings usually involve camo, cans of beer, and the cops.

[Baby Fawkes]

Nov 10, 2014 11:33:45 GMT -5 Ryan said:

When I got married (close to 12 years ago!), I knew that Chicago-area weddings were a little more of a big deal than our friends that lived in other states (Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin). In general, we spent more money on the halls, everyone was more dressed up, and there was more attention (and money) paid to the details. When we’d go to friend’s weddings in Indiana or something, everything was kinda toned down a notch. People were dressed more casually, there was usually not an open bar but just a keg kinda sitting out, and it wouldn’t be super surprising to have a buffet for dinner.

We had a pretty nice wedding in my opinion, but the bar keeps getting raised a little bit each year…some things cost money, some take time, and others are just for the overall experience. A few things:

• I didn't know anyone that did save the date cards when we were married, now it’s expected. We did these, but we also had a lot of people travelling from the UK to the wedding and wanting to book flights early to get the better prices. This was more of a 'the date is finalized' gesture so they all felt comfortable plonking down the £s to get over here if they wished to join
• We had a photographer/videographer, but I feel like it was a pretty simple operation. Now there are like 5-6 people doing video/pictures at a wedding. We just had a photographer and no video. It was a couple who took care of it all and the morning of the wedding the guy hung out with the groomsmen and I while the girl hung out with DW and the bridesmaids
• It’s very commonplace for the bride/groom to say something at the wedding, it’s very common for the parents of the bride/groom to say something, and common (although a bit less so) for additional groomsmen/bridesmaids to give speeches. We didn’t do any of that stuff! We wanted myself as the opener to talk and welcome people, then the best man spoke and the two fathers. The maid of honor did do a little speech because she wanted to, but no other groomsmen or bridesmaids spoke
• One thing that I never saw anybody do, but is now commonplace at weddings is the bridesmaids/groomsmen entrance to the reception. When I got married, everyone just walked in. Now, everyone feels the need to do some kind of dance as they enter. I think it probably started out as kinda funny when actual funny people were doing it, but now it’s so expected that it’s just super lame. None of that for us. We had the entrance procession where the groomsmen escorted the mothers and bridesmaids in, but nothing more fancy than just walking
  
• One thing that seems like it’s popping up more is surprises that come during the wedding. I was just at a wedding where the entire bridesmaid clan learned some dance and performed it for the bride at the reception. Another one is where they hired some opera singer to sing their favorite song or something. Didn't do any of that. Nobody in the entire party claims to have any rythm so I'm sure nobody involved would have even suggested that.
  
• It used to be acceptable to keep the bar closed during dinner….now that’s looked down upon. You should have the bar open during dinner and, at the very least, serve wine. We had the bar open from the minute the cocktail reception started after the ceremony until the end of the night. There was also wine served at the table or people could get up and hit up the barman for a beer or cocktail if they preferred.
  
  Our wedding was also themed entirely around beer, so we had the entire wedding party do a German boot during the document signing. The wedding favors were bottle openers, we were married by our local barman. I ditched the Champagne portion of the toast and used a 9 liter bottle of St. Feullion Tripel instead. Gifts to the wedding party were engraved beer glasses for each of them.
  
• Very common now to have a second meal at the very end of the night. A lot of times it’s pizzas, burgers from a local place, etc. We definitely did this. See the comment above about the amount of beer / drinks for the event so it was needed. Ours was catered by the same place though and consisted of more buffet style small items such as mini sliders, cheese platter etc.
• A care package for all the guests that are staying in the hotel.  Usually it's snacks and stuff that are favorites of the bride/groom. This was the bottle openers and little trinkets that we gave everyone.
  
  The other thing that DW and I insisted on was hiring 2 babysitters that worked the entire reception. The room where the groomsmen and I got ready was cleaned up and turned into a giant kids play room with a lot of games, movies, toys that we brought in so that every adult there could relax and enjoy themselves with all the beer and the kids didn't get bored

Some are good additions (video/photo, a small amount of extra speeches, booze during dinner, save the date), but the rest is just added stress or lame (dancing entrances).

So how about you?

[gooddecisions]

Nov 10, 2014 12:49:34 GMT -5 Baby Fawkes said:

Nov 10, 2014 11:33:45 GMT -5 Ryan said:

• 
  The other thing that DW and I insisted on was hiring 2 babysitters that worked the entire reception. The room where the groomsmen and I got ready was cleaned up and turned into a giant kids play room with a lot of games, movies, toys that we brought in so that every adult there could relax and enjoy themselves with all the beer and the kids didn't get bored

That's awesome- what an amazingly thoughtful thing to do!

[Deleted]

Those differences sound more economic than geographical.

[phil5185]

You say "expected" and "common"

now it’s expected.
for additional groomsmen/bridesmaids to give speeches.
Now, everyone feels the need to do some kind of dance as they enter
Very common now to have a second meal at the very end of the night.

"expected" by who? I don't expect any of that stuff, lol.

Like most events, you have to 'know your audience".  If it is family members of the 'senior' variety, I can attest that we don't want to sit thru all of the foolishness - BTBT.  If it is mostly for college-age buds, then yeah, a second meal, painfully boring speeches, surprises, yada, are OK. Just don't be offended when the elders get up and leave after an hour.

[Pants]

Nov 10, 2014 13:13:47 GMT -5 phil5185 said:

You say "expected" and "common"

now it’s expected.
for additional groomsmen/bridesmaids to give speeches.
Now, everyone feels the need to do some kind of dance as they enter
Very common now to have a second meal at the very end of the night.

"expected" by who? I don't expect any of that stuff, lol.

Like most events, you have to 'know your audience".  If it is family members of the 'senior' variety, I can attest that we don't want to sit thru all of the foolishness - BTBT.  If it is mostly for college-age buds, then yeah, a second meal, painfully boring speeches, surprises, yada, are OK. Just don't be offended when the elders get up and leave after an hour.

Trust me, nobody's offended.

[Pants]

My whole thing is the difference between wedding breakfast and wedding reception. People on this board have talked about having a cake and punch reception, or a wedding breakfast with coffee and pie. That is so far from my understanding of the modern wedding - I can't fathom that happening around here, but apparently some areas of the country that's the norm?

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I don't think you can boil down those things to geographical area alone.   A lot that comes down to personal preference and how much money you have.

If I don't have the money for multiple photographer it doesn't matter what someone else "expects".

DH and I don't have family/friends that want to party all night, our reception was done by 11:00 so no need to have a second meal of any kind.

We're also not flash mob people. I can think of a thousand things I'd rather do than rehearse a production or make my bridal party do so. I had enough on my plate that day and leading up to the wedding.

The best man and MOH gave a speech and that was it.

We had ONE out of town guest and she is the daughter of DH's aunt so she crashed with her.  No need for us to make special welcome bags.

We skipped favors of any kind.   We had quite a few people thank us for skipping those.

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DH's cousin had a very expensive wedding in comparison.

I am surprised the freaking janitor didn't make a speech at her wedding.  The couple, the parents, the best man, the maid of honor all made speeches and each one lasted at least 10 minutes.  Then on top of that there was a 20 minute slide show.

Then after that there was the B&G dance, the father/daughter dance, mother/son dance and a bridal party dance.

By the time they served dinner it was already 9:00 pm.  DH and I left before the cake was cut, so did a lot of other people.

My BFF at her wedding rode in on a horse.  I am not making that up.   I've always wanted to know if her dad rented it or borrowed it from a friend.  They got divorced after less than a year so if he rented I bet he was regretting it.

[ArchietheDragon]

In my area weddings are a celebration of love and the combining of two souls into one living breathing entity.

[alabamagal]

Well I'm in the South (but definitely not Southern).  My DH is from GA, and he is Southern.  We went to a "cake and punch" wedding for one of his relatives.  Get married in the church, go to the hall at the church for a quick reception.  I can't really say that I enjoyed it.  I accepted that there was no alcohol, but I didn't realize that the only thing to drink would be punch.  Had I known that I would have snuck in a Diet Coke!

My neice just got married in the Atlanta area.   It was at an event site specifically for weddings, outdoor on a beautiful day.  They had buffet for dinner, drinks and some dancing (this may have been shocking to some because they go to church that frowns upon dancing).  We did not stay until the end since it was a Sunday and we had a 4 hour drive home.  It was enjoyable, not overly fancy, and they did not spend a huge amount of money.

[happyhoix]

Nov 10, 2014 13:20:42 GMT -5 Pants said:

My whole thing is the difference between wedding breakfast and wedding reception. People on this board have talked about having a cake and punch reception, or a wedding breakfast with coffee and pie. That is so far from my understanding of the modern wedding - I can't fathom that happening around here, but apparently some areas of the country that's the norm?

I live in the South, when I got married 30 plus years ago cake and punch wedding receptions were very common. I attending a 250 plus person wedding of a very wealthy man and his bride and the reception was held in the church hall, punch, cake and finger foods served. When I told my mother (who is from Pennslyvania) that I would be doing a punch and finger food reception at the church, she threw a fit - apparently in the PA/OH area, a sit down meal with an open bar and dancing was required, and my wedding would seem shabby to her relatives. (Since I was paying for the whole thing, we did the cake a punch wedding reception).

In the 30 years since then, I've noticed the weddings around here have gotten more elaborate. Usually a buffet dinner is served, often a bar and a dance floor. I think a lot of this has come from the TV shows about brides - now there seems to be more competition to thow a wedding that is 'special.'

DS is getting married this spring and their wedding will be very low key - no alcohol, wedding and reception at the town convention center, I think there will be a buffet with finger foods and cake, not sure if there will be a DJ or what - men in the bridal party will wear suits, not tuxes. DS and his DF have the means to throw a big bash, but they are very practical - they're saving their money for a honeymoon cruise to Spain and a downpayment on a house. Very YM!

[milee]

Nov 10, 2014 14:16:52 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 10, 2014 13:20:42 GMT -5 Pants said:

In the 30 years since then, I've noticed the weddings around here have gotten more elaborate. Usually a buffet dinner is served, often a bar and a dance floor. I think a lot of this has come from the TV shows about brides - now there seems to be more competition to thow a wedding that is 'special.'

This.

But I also agree with the prior poster who mentioned that more of this is about ability/desire to spend than it is the region or age.

[Ryan]

Most of this stuff is an OK change....but the thing that I just get so annoyed at is the speeches and the dances when they enter.  The dances are bad because it's only funny when someone really funny enters the room.  And since most people aren't funny (I should say, most people aren't "entertainers"), it ends up being really lame.

But the speeches are definitely the worst.  I don't even like to hear maid of honor or best man speeches because the are all so brutal.  I think maybe I've heard a couple good speeches in my lifetime.  Personally,  I think I could probably deliver a pretty decent speech based on notes I've taken over the last 10 years...thankfully, anytime I've been up for best man there has always been a brother that has won out.  Always the groomsman, never the best man!

[vonna]

Nov 10, 2014 13:43:10 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

In my area weddings are a celebration of love and the combining of two souls into one living breathing entity.

You are quite the romantic!!

[NoNamePerson]

Can I refer everyone over to the Why Get Married thread  

[Ryan]

Nov 10, 2014 13:20:42 GMT -5 Pants said:

My whole thing is the difference between wedding breakfast and wedding reception. People on this board have talked about having a cake and punch reception, or a wedding breakfast with coffee and pie. That is so far from my understanding of the modern wedding - I can't fathom that happening around here, but apparently some areas of the country that's the norm?

Facebook and pinterest don't help either.  When I got married, we had just been to a wedding where the bride/groom did this framed picture where everyone signs on the large white space outside the picture.  We liked the idea and did the same and got a lot of compliments about it.  For the next 5 years, pretty much every wedding we were at did the same thing.

With pinterest, those types of ideas spread far/wide very quickly.  So someone searching for something cool can find that for every little piece of their wedding.  We picked it up by seeing it, but pinterest allows you to seek out the best stuff and you probably end up doing it for everything.

[NoNamePerson]

Nov 10, 2014 14:40:52 GMT -5 vonna said:

Nov 10, 2014 13:43:10 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

In my area weddings are a celebration of love and the combining of two souls into one living breathing entity.

You are quite the romantic!!

Don't know about you, but when I read ArchietheDragon reply I picked my feet up off the floor to get them out of the BS 

[Pants]

Nov 10, 2014 14:16:52 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 10, 2014 13:20:42 GMT -5 Pants said:

My whole thing is the difference between wedding breakfast and wedding reception. People on this board have talked about having a cake and punch reception, or a wedding breakfast with coffee and pie. That is so far from my understanding of the modern wedding - I can't fathom that happening around here, but apparently some areas of the country that's the norm?

I live in the South, when I got married 30 plus years ago cake and punch wedding receptions were very common. I attending a 250 plus person wedding of a very wealthy man and his bride and the reception was held in the church hall, punch, cake and finger foods served. When I told my mother (who is from Pennslyvania) that I would be doing a punch and finger food reception at the church, she threw a fit - apparently in the PA/OH area, a sit down meal with an open bar and dancing was required, and my wedding would seem shabby to her relatives. (Since I was paying for the whole thing, we did the cake a punch wedding reception).

In the 30 years since then, I've noticed the weddings around here have gotten more elaborate. Usually a buffet dinner is served, often a bar and a dance floor. I think a lot of this has come from the TV shows about brides - now there seems to be more competition to thow a wedding that is 'special.'

DS is getting married this spring and their wedding will be very low key - no alcohol, wedding and reception at the town convention center, I think there will be a buffet with finger foods and cake, not sure if there will be a DJ or what - men in the bridal party will wear suits, not tuxes. DS and his DF have the means to throw a big bash, but they are very practical - they're saving their money for a honeymoon cruise to Spain and a downpayment on a house. Very YM!

I'm not criticizing the cake and punch reception at all (I ran away because the whole wedding thing got too overwhelming.) It's just different.

[NancysSummerSip]

Nov 10, 2014 14:45:12 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Nov 10, 2014 14:40:52 GMT -5 vonna said:

You are quite the romantic!!

Don't know about you, but when I read ArchietheDragon reply I picked my feet up off the floor to get them out of the BS 

I heard the scraping sound of the shovel.

Oh, and that living, breathing entity...in Archie's world, it's an octopus.

[happyhoix]

Nov 10, 2014 14:56:36 GMT -5 Pants said:

Nov 10, 2014 14:16:52 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I live in the South, when I got married 30 plus years ago cake and punch wedding receptions were very common. I attending a 250 plus person wedding of a very wealthy man and his bride and the reception was held in the church hall, punch, cake and finger foods served. When I told my mother (who is from Pennslyvania) that I would be doing a punch and finger food reception at the church, she threw a fit - apparently in the PA/OH area, a sit down meal with an open bar and dancing was required, and my wedding would seem shabby to her relatives. (Since I was paying for the whole thing, we did the cake a punch wedding reception).

In the 30 years since then, I've noticed the weddings around here have gotten more elaborate. Usually a buffet dinner is served, often a bar and a dance floor. I think a lot of this has come from the TV shows about brides - now there seems to be more competition to thow a wedding that is 'special.'

DS is getting married this spring and their wedding will be very low key - no alcohol, wedding and reception at the town convention center, I think there will be a buffet with finger foods and cake, not sure if there will be a DJ or what - men in the bridal party will wear suits, not tuxes. DS and his DF have the means to throw a big bash, but they are very practical - they're saving their money for a honeymoon cruise to Spain and a downpayment on a house. Very YM!

I'm not criticizing the cake and punch reception at all (I ran away because the whole wedding thing got too overwhelming.) It's just different.

Yes, I think there is (or used to be) a difference between Southern and Northern weddings - cake and punch was very normal here 30 years ago, while up North (according to my mom) it was not.


Although if you go back further than that, when my Mom got married in 1950 in PA she had a cake and punch reception (I've seen the pictures LOL) so maybe the whole sit down dinner thing isn't as traditional in the north as she would have me believe.

[shanendoah]

I have no idea what weddings in my area are like. I only know what my friends' weddings have been like, and even that, I can't really generalize, as everyone has had weddings that made sense for them.
I will say that in the 13 years I've lived in the PNW, I have only been to one church wedding, and it made me very uncomfortable, partly because it didn't seem to fit with the couple. (It was the bride's parents' church, in which they were very active, but to the best of my knowledge, neither the bride nor the groom were very religious.)

Beyond that, my wedding had 14 people at it (including us, officiant, and photographer) and took place in a public park. I've been to a wedding with around 100 guests on a 3 hour cruise (the whole cruise was just the wedding, no one else on board). I've seen pictures of a wedding with a prohibition/speakeasy theme. (Friends, but not close friends, and like us, they kept their wedding small. They were each making 6 figures at the time, and I believe the bulk of the budget was an open bar that only served top shelf liquor.)

Maybe it's that for most of the weddings I have been to, the bride and groom were both mid-20s or older. Maybe it's that I met most of my close friends through a social group that was marginalized and not known for "following the crowd". Or maybe it's because my group of friends is very diverse when it comes to family backgrounds and finances.

So, as far as I can tell, what weddings are like are this:

A couple who wishes to be united in marriage
An officiant who can legally perform the ceremony
The people the couple wants to celebrate with

[zibazinski]

Well, I am now living among the hoi poloui so it's been interesting. I've mentioned DFs bio wants a fancy wedding. To the tune, so far of 50k and I'm sure it'll run over. I can't even begin to imagine it but this is standard and not even first rate among his cronies. Fancy venue, rooms costing $400 a night, everything from the glasses to the silverware and chairs is extra. Nothing is included and the fee to rent the place is obscene. Not to mention it's always colder than hell and it'll probably rain so, of course, a tent needs to be rented. That's 3k. Oh, if you want a floor on it, it's another 1k. The surroundings are fancy but the food is so-so. Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to have that expensive of everything and the food basically be SUBWAY quality.

[Cookies Galore]

Nov 10, 2014 13:20:42 GMT -5 Pants said:

My whole thing is the difference between wedding breakfast and wedding reception. People on this board have talked about having a cake and punch reception, or a wedding breakfast with coffee and pie. That is so far from my understanding of the modern wedding - I can't fathom that happening around here, but apparently some areas of the country that's the norm?

I've never heard of a cake and punch reception before this board. Hell, friends went to a Sunday late morning/early afternoon wedding last weekend and there was a bloody mary and mimosa bar. That's my kind of Sunday!

I have pictures from my maternal grandparents wedding (we're in South Eastern PA) and there was boozing in suits going on. This was late 40s.

[Cookies Galore]

My wedding (last year, ages 32 and 35):
No wedding party
Self-uniting, but we did have someone who wrote and performed our ceremony
One photographer with an assistant
One photo booth
Cocktail hour in addition to five hours open bar
An awesome sit-down dinner
Candy bar and soft pretzels at the end of the night (because booze)
The worst speech ever by hubs' friend. The photographer got an awesome bitch face picture of me.
A sweet ass night of boozing and dancing with friends. Hell yeah.

[swamp]

I've never heard of a cake and punch reception prior to thid board either. 

[TheOtherMe]

Nov 10, 2014 11:33:45 GMT -5 Ryan said:

• I didn't know anyone that did save the date cards when we were married, now it’s expected.
• 
  
• We had a photographer/videographer, but I feel like it was a pretty simple operation. Now there are like 5-6 people doing video/pictures at a wedding.
• It’s very commonplace for the bride/groom to say something at the wedding, it’s very common for the parents of the bride/groom to say something, and common (although a bit less so) for additional groomsmen/bridesmaids to give speeches. We didn’t do any of that stuff!
• One thing that I never saw anybody do, but is now commonplace at weddings is the bridesmaids/groomsmen entrance to the reception. When I got married, everyone just walked in. Now, everyone feels the need to do some kind of dance as they enter. I think it probably started out as kinda funny when actual funny people were doing it, but now it’s so expected that it’s just super lame. 
  
• One thing that seems like it’s popping up more is surprises that come during the wedding. I was just at a wedding where the entire bridesmaid clan learned some dance and performed it for the bride at the reception. Another one is where they hired some opera singer to sing their favorite song or something.
  
• It used to be acceptable to keep the bar closed during dinner….now that’s looked down upon. You should have the bar open during dinner and, at the very least, serve wine.
  
• Very common now to have a second meal at the very end of the night. A lot of times it’s pizzas, burgers from a local place, etc. 
• A care package for all the guests that are staying in the hotel.  Usually it's snacks and stuff that are favorites of the bride/groom.
  

Some are good additions (video/photo, a small amount of extra speeches, booze during dinner, save the date), but the rest is just added stress or lame (dancing entrances).

So how about you?

Nephew and his wife sent save the date cards about 9 months before wedding.  Ended up sending them to some people who didn't get invited to the wedding.

I only saw on photographer, aside from guests, but there were to be no posed pictures.

No speeches or productions and I am glad about that.

No reception entrance by the bridal party.

Bar was open from second reception started, but what do you expect from a Ukrainian father of the bride?

There were no sides in seating as the bride was from Ukraine.  She only had her parents and sister at the wedding.  They sat on the traditional side as did nephew's immediate family.  Otherwise, the ushers just seated people by row.

Nephew tells me now that the favorite part of the wedding for their friends was that his wife's father, who knows next to no English, would say "would you like another drink".  

They wrote their own vows and had somebody perform the ceremony who was not a minister.  It was held at an outside place that was lovely.

No second meal.  There were munchies out all evening.  I had dog sitting duties so I left when niece told me her dog probably needed to be let out (an hour away).  I'm told all the food was gone.  

This was so much better than the original plan that we all go to Costa Rica.  That didn't last long when they found out only her parents would attend.

[midjd]

The worst speech ever by hubs' friend. The photographer got an awesome bitch face picture of me.

We need details!!

DH's best man's speech was literally -- "You know, there are a lot of rings in a wedding. First comes the engagement ring... then the wedding ring... then the suffering." HAR HAR HAR. Oh I could have killed him. I still may.

DH hasn't really been on speaking terms with him for the last 3-4 years. That speech isn't why, but I like to pretend it is

[zibazinski]

Cake and punch is very 50's and 60's

[Cookies Galore]

Nov 10, 2014 21:22:08 GMT -5 midjd said:

The worst speech ever by hubs' friend. The photographer got an awesome bitch face picture of me.

We need details!!

DH's best man's speech was literally -- "You know, there are a lot of rings in a wedding. First comes the engagement ring... then the wedding ring... then the suffering." HAR HAR HAR. Oh I could have killed him. I still may.

DH hasn't really been on speaking terms with him for the last 3-4 years. That speech isn't why, but I like to pretend it is

It was him talking about meeting hubs at Penn State and how he met his wife at Penn State. The end. Zero mention of me and hubs. So many people were like what the fuck was that; my BIL noticed all the full champagne glasses so he got up and actually toasted us. Lol.