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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 8:44:39 GMT -5
Oh, I'll be the first to say that there are some (even "many") that don't like him due to his race. That's not my point. My point is many people don't like him for reasons that have nothing to do with his race... yet we get called racists anyway. I've got nothing against having a black President... I'd've voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. Guess what race he is... Me, too! I'd also vote for a woman and there are a lot of qualified ones out there. But I will never ever vote for Hillary. Same here. I'll vote for a qualified woman... I won't vote for a woman "because she's a woman" (my Mother apparently will though... During the Hillary/Obama primaries she was all "we gotta vote in Hillary"... when asked why, her answer was "because we need a woman President". Ummm... No. We don't. We need a QUALIFIED President).
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Oct 22, 2014 8:46:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't call voting for a black president because you are black racism. Black people voted for democratic candidates long before Obama.
But I disagree about racism going both ways- well sort of- the cause of it is white people. I can understand racism against whites. White people do not have a leg to stand on because the black people here are mostly here because of them.
It does not 'go both ways'. At least not equally. Politically correct and socially acceptable bigotry is still bigotry. The cause of racism isn't "white people," it's people giving favorable or unfavorable treatment toward somebody else based on skin color. Your logic is part of the issue. It's the same logic that dictates that stereotypes can only really affect those in the minority because those in the majority have the power to fights against it (i.e. white stereotypes don't have the same negative affect as non-white stereotypes). However, the problem with that logic is that negative stereotypes of any group do have negative impacts on that group. If white people are taught not to trust non-white people or if non-white people are taught that white people are all inherently racist (even if they don't mean to be), it is going to breed the same level of mistrust. When a white person has to work to avoid even the perception of racism (reality and perception are not necessarily the same thing), while that same level of scrutiny is not expected of people of other skin colors is an issue. Now if this group is anything like it was the last time I was here, somebody will sarcastically write something along the lines of "it must be tough being a white male in America." However that is deflecting and kind of makes the point. I'll say it again because it is worth repeating, racism isn't because of white people, it is because some people feel it is appropriate and acceptable to discriminate against a group of people based on skin color. If you don't think non-white people can be openly racist or have underlying racism, then you really don't understand people (or worse, you are ok with that kind of racism because it is socially an politically acceptable at this time). I do have hope that eventually even that kind of bigotry will stop being given a pass as "understandable."
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 22, 2014 9:51:17 GMT -5
Me, too! I'd also vote for a woman and there are a lot of qualified ones out there. But I will never ever vote for Hillary. Same here. I'll vote for a qualified woman... I won't vote for a woman "because she's a woman" (my Mother apparently will though... During the Hillary/Obama primaries she was all "we gotta vote in Hillary"... when asked why, her answer was "because we need a woman President". Ummm... No. We don't. We need a QUALIFIED President). DD was the same way when Hillary tried to run against Obama. She was going to vote for her JUST because she was a woman. That's just as bad as voting for someone because they're black or because they're not. Vote for the BEST candidate. Considering they all suck and are all crooks, what's the point anyway? Sometimes I feel that way. On the other hand, DD has grown up since that time and now would never vote for Hillary. But of course,we all wish a qualified woman would run. I'd like to see a woman president in my lifetime but not HER.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 22, 2014 10:26:16 GMT -5
If we manage to get rid of race, religion, gender discrimination we will still have my favorite, and one I use all the time. Personality, yes I don't deal with you simply because, I don't like your attitude.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 22, 2014 11:04:42 GMT -5
Oh, I'll be the first to say that there are some (even "many") that don't like him due to his race. That's not my point. My point is many people don't like him for reasons that have nothing to do with his race... yet we get called racists anyway. I've got nothing against having a black President... I'd've voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. Guess what race he is... Me, too! I'd also vote for a woman and there are a lot of qualified ones out there. But I will never ever vote for Hillary. i would vote for Hillary before i would vote for Obama. but i would vote for an anti-war candidate before i voted for either.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 22, 2014 11:28:12 GMT -5
Me, too! I'd also vote for a woman and there are a lot of qualified ones out there. But I will never ever vote for Hillary. i would vote for Hillary before i would vote for Obama. but i would vote for an anti-war candidate before i voted for either.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Oct 26, 2014 8:12:24 GMT -5
Me, too! I'd also vote for a woman and there are a lot of qualified ones out there. But I will never ever vote for Hillary. i would vote for Hillary before i would vote for Obama. but i would vote for an anti-war candidate before i voted for either. I don't know of any candidate that would be completely "anti-war" because the reality is that without the threat of it....most threats wouldn't be taken seriously. Sad...but true.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 26, 2014 9:02:11 GMT -5
Was watching a show the other night- and then watched a few more- on PBS hosted by Henry Louis Gates from the 'beer summit' fame, called Finding Your Roots- good show.
What is unstoppable- in spite of racial purity groups and other impediments to progress- is that at some point there is not going to be any way to identify a person by physical attributes alone as part of a particular 'race'.
The most amazing thing I saw was the DNA testing that shows how much of a particular race anyone is comprised of and where those parts originate from.
So in a few hundred years it is very possible we will be so mixed there is only one race left- human
So then I guess we only fight about religion then.
It is well documented that their is a schism between really "dark" blacks, and 'light skinned' blacks, where discrimination and hostility abound. A recent issue has been exposed in the locker room of the Seattle Seahawks. Some black players are complaining their quarterback is not "black enough" for them, although I think they recognize he is black. In his case they feel management favors him over them. If you feel he is not black, I have no problem with this, as he easily fits today's description on not black, not white. Your choice, but the players are concerned he is not black enough.
We in America's history have shown racism abounds between the white races too. Irish need not apply, Italian immigrants, etc etc,but then again some whites did not consider Italians "white"..
The Middle East, far Eastern Europe and Afghanistan do show the homogenous progress occurring today. some of the refugees show lighter skin color, blue eyes and light color hair, showing the mixture between races and culture. And we see the discrimination (slaughter) occurring between ethnicity there. If the premise is we will all be homogenized, this country might be, (Brazil is another example) but there are enough Indians in India, and Chinese on the mainland that certain races should remain pretty much the same as today centuries from now.
Strange how the Bible explained God having spread humanity to the far corners of the world, gave them all unique languages, and now we are trying to become a one world culture. I am really tired of people blaming whites for the problems of the world today. It is in the genes of humanity from about day two. Maybe science will create a better human being down the road for you through gene splicing and you can finally be happy.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 26, 2014 9:27:02 GMT -5
Value Buy said: "We in America's history have shown racism abounds between the white races too.Irish need not apply, Italian immigrants, etc etc,but then again some whites did not consider Italians "white".." VB-you are confusing racism with ethnicity (which includes nationality) bias as it pertains to the above quote.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 26, 2014 10:26:51 GMT -5
Value Buy said: "We in America's history have shown racism abounds between the white races too.Irish need not apply, Italian immigrants, etc etc,but then again some whites did not consider Italians "white".." VB-you are confusing racism with ethnicity (which includes nationality) bias as it pertains to the above quote. Yes, I knew I would, but in the end, don't you honestly believe "racism" is more about nationality than race in our discussions here?
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 26, 2014 10:28:52 GMT -5
I truly understand there are only a few true races in the world, but hundreds of nationalities. I feel "racism" is more about tribal nationality rather than race.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 26, 2014 10:59:35 GMT -5
Value Buy said: "We in America's history have shown racism abounds between the white races too.Irish need not apply, Italian immigrants, etc etc,but then again some whites did not consider Italians "white".." VB-you are confusing racism with ethnicity (which includes nationality) bias as it pertains to the above quote. Yes, I knew I would, but in the end, don't you honestly believe "racism" is more about nationality than race in our discussions here?
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Not necessarily, VB. Racism, the belief that one particular race is inferior or superior to another, is pretty limited to three races. Race is all about natural, physical appearance and genetics beyong the person's control While national origin and ethnicity bias/bigotry pertains to factors such as nationality, culture, ancestry, and the language spoken by the group. There are racists who are clearly against peoples outside of their own race. It does not matter to them where the ancestors once lived. While there are people who used to and still do today dislike other people because of their nationality and historical origin, that would not be racism. For example, in some U.S. areas, some Italian-Americans may not like Irish Americans. This dislike going back many years to the time of these groups immigration to the U.S. In this example it has nothing to do with race but with ethnicity and historical ancestry/nationality. I am not trying to stir controversy with the following statement but there are still Americans who disapprove of people from different races marrying each other. This bias is more prevalent in the south, Mississippi and Alabama for example, than other areas of the country. In this example, the bias is simply against the racial makeup of those in the marriage rather than the national orign/ethnicity of those inter-racial marriages.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 26, 2014 11:22:35 GMT -5
i would vote for Hillary before i would vote for Obama. but i would vote for an anti-war candidate before i voted for either. I don't know of any candidate that would be completely "anti-war" because the reality is that without the threat of it....most threats wouldn't be taken seriously. Sad...but true. i prefer the term "anti-interventionist", but most people don't understand that term as well as "anti-war". we have not had a threat serious enough to compel us to war since the 40's. everything else is interventionism. edit: and to answer your question, the Peace and Freedom Party has such candidates, as well as (generally speaking) the Libertarians.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 26, 2014 11:49:27 GMT -5
... Yes, I knew I would, but in the end, don't you honestly believe "racism" is more about nationality than race in our discussions here?
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I think it is more about economics. Physical characteristics just make it easier to have "us" against "them".
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Oct 31, 2014 9:39:46 GMT -5
... Yes, I knew I would, but in the end, don't you honestly believe "racism" is more about nationality than race in our discussions here?
Am I missing the mark that badly? Serious question
I think it is more about economics. Physical characteristics just make it easier to have "us" against "them". Unfortunately, socio-economic class warefare has been an effective political tool for a long time now.
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