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Post by NoNamePerson on Oct 21, 2014 17:15:37 GMT -5
It was $100/person. I did both my parents, my brother, myself, and my ex (wasn't my ex at the time, this was several years ago).
In a way I think it explained some things. Turned out his real dad is an alcoholic too & also basically can't hold down a job or function. So I think he had a genetic predisposition for all his issues that we weren't aware of previously. Just hope my kids aren't screwed due to crappy genetics
Winner-I am drawing a blank here. What was your posting moniker yesterday (or before your changed it)? Sorry I cannot figure it out. Angel...
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 21, 2014 17:16:33 GMT -5
It was $100/person. I did both my parents, my brother, myself, and my ex (wasn't my ex at the time, this was several years ago).
In a way I think it explained some things. Turned out his real dad is an alcoholic too & also basically can't hold down a job or function. So I think he had a genetic predisposition for all his issues that we weren't aware of previously. Just hope my kids aren't screwed due to crappy genetics
Winner-I am drawing a blank here. What was your posting moniker yesterday (or before your changed it)? Sorry I cannot figure it out. Never mind. ANother sweet 'Angel' gave me a heads up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 17:47:47 GMT -5
OMG I'm LMAO!!! He kind of deserved that. Was it expensive? It was $100/person. I did both my parents, my brother, myself, and my ex (wasn't my ex at the time, this was several years ago).
In a way I think it explained some things. Turned out his real dad is an alcoholic too & also basically can't hold down a job or function. So I think he had a genetic predisposition for all his issues that we weren't aware of previously. Just hope my kids aren't screwed due to crappy genetics
I think being aware of the genetics is good, you know that there's a possibility that you can't handle what the average person might be able to, so you're more mindful if you want to avoid getting caught up. I think this in this case, knowledge is power. My dad was a functioning alcoholic for years, then he was just an alcholic for some more years. He finally got clean a few years before he died. My brother is just like him, except I don't know if he'll ever get to the recovery stage. I'll have a drink (or a few, but that's very rare these days), but I've always been mindful about my drinking habits and whether they were "normal" because I didn't/don't want to be like my Dad. I've never had problems keeping a job, I've never been enough of a drinker for it to be a problem and other than trying marijuana when I was younger, I've always been drug free. So even if I have a genetic predispositon for addiction, I didn't succumb. Your kids aren't doomed, they may just have to be mindful and know that some things, they may need to be more careful with or abstain from completely. Apologies for the thread hijack.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 18:11:28 GMT -5
When do I get to dislike Obama based on his policies and the fact that I think he's an asshat and not get judged a racist? For the record there are a multitude of other politicians on both sides, of varying shades of color, who are also asshats. I do think that some people dislike Obama primarily because of his skin color, and I judge them as racists. Their comments and rants are often about a black man doing this or that. People that dislike him because of his policies, because they just think he is an asshat, or for any other reason that has nothing to do with the color of his skin, I don't assume they are racists. Their comments and rants are usually about a man or a politician doing this or that, or the policies that they disagree with. So, to answer your question, you get to do that now and not get judged a racist. At least, not by me.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 21, 2014 18:14:03 GMT -5
When do I get to dislike Obama based on his policies and the fact that I think he's an asshat and not get judged a racist? ... June 22nd, 2027 3:49 pm Eastern time (let me know if you have any other questions. I have a lot of answers I can provide.)
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 21, 2014 18:14:26 GMT -5
I got a kick watching a TV show in which Craig Cobb, the self identified racist who tried to buy up all the property in Leith, Noth Dakota to turn it into a all-white community, had a DNA test done on himself and it was determined he was like 15% part sub-Saharan African. He called it just statistical noise. Some anti-white black woman was on the show too and she found out she was part white. To make a little light of this. Dave Chappell did a very funny skit based on this. Look up Clayton Bigsby on YouTube.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 18:23:11 GMT -5
When do I get to dislike Obama based on his policies and the fact that I think he's an asshat and not get judged a racist?For the record there are a multitude of other politicians on both sides, of varying shades of color, who are also asshats. StarDate 91804.9 ETA: for the non-Trekkies out there... that's 10-21-2414... about 7:00PM
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Post by Malarky on Oct 21, 2014 18:29:00 GMT -5
I truly do dislike our current president. Vehemently. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it's everything that he says out loud.
I really resent that some label me racist as a result.
I reserve the right to hate you based on your own personal attributes. Please feel free to treat me the same.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2014 18:50:08 GMT -5
I truly do dislike our current president. Vehemently. i truly dislike W. loathe him, actually. so you have my sympathies.
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Post by Malarky on Oct 21, 2014 19:02:06 GMT -5
I truly do dislike our current president. Vehemently. i truly dislike W. loathe him, actually. so you have my sympathies. You have my sympathies. I understand how it feels to have someone in charge who shares none of your values. Perhaps in the near future we can enjoy a leader of the free world whom we both could respect. I'm not holding my breath..given how often the "race card" is played.
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Post by Pants on Oct 21, 2014 19:09:30 GMT -5
i truly dislike W. loathe him, actually. so you have my sympathies. You have my sympathies. I understand how it feels to have someone in charge who shares none of your values. Perhaps in the near future we can enjoy a leader of the free world whom we both could respect. I'm not holding my breath..given how often the "race card" is played. And here's the point where I suspect that you are actually a racist.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 21, 2014 19:13:51 GMT -5
I truly do dislike our current president. Vehemently. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it's everything that he says out loud. I really resent that some label me racist as a result. I reserve the right to hate you based on your own personal attributes. Please feel free to treat me the same. I think most would judge based on how you complain. Name calling or constant reference to his skin would make me wonder if you are racist. Not liking his policies, meh, a lot of people don't.
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Post by Malarky on Oct 21, 2014 19:22:54 GMT -5
You have my sympathies. I understand how it feels to have someone in charge who shares none of your values. Perhaps in the near future we can enjoy a leader of the free world whom we both could respect. I'm not holding my breath..given how often the "race card" is played. And here's the point where I suspect that you are actually a racist. Why? I'll go first. I dislike our president's policies. I've never pretended otherwise. I don't have sources at my fingertips to prove that people who feel as I do are labelled as racist, but if you insist, I will certainly go looking for those sources.
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Post by Pants on Oct 21, 2014 19:24:12 GMT -5
And here's the point where I suspect that you are actually a racist. Why? I'll go first. I dislike our president's policies. I've never pretended otherwise. I don't have sources at my fingertips to prove that people who feel as I do are labelled as racist, but if you insist, I will certainly go looking for those sources. It's the part where you talk about "the race card."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 19:34:06 GMT -5
Why? I'll go first. I dislike our president's policies. I've never pretended otherwise. I don't have sources at my fingertips to prove that people who feel as I do are labelled as racist, but if you insist, I will certainly go looking for those sources. It's the part where you talk about "the race card." The "race card" is played in rebuttals to anyone saying they don't like His Highness, Emperor Obama. We that don't like him have gotten to the point where we go ahead and put defense of that BS in our posts because we've come to expect it to be played sooner or later.
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 21, 2014 19:48:59 GMT -5
I'll stipulate there is no racism involved with Obama as soon as someone can explain why so many southern states with various makeups went full bore republican after he got elected- some that flipped after decades of democratic control. Can't be his policies- ala Bush light.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 21, 2014 19:55:39 GMT -5
It's the part where you talk about "the race card." The "race card" is played in rebuttals to anyone saying they don't like His Highness, Emperor Obama. We that don't like him have gotten to the point where we go ahead and put defense of that BS in our posts because we've come to expect it to be played sooner or later. Honestly I see the talk about the race card being played far more than I ever see it played....this thread being a good example. First bring up how apparently you can't hate Obama. And then when no one agrees we get to hear about the race card. No one played the race card here.
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Post by Pants on Oct 21, 2014 19:59:15 GMT -5
The "race card" is played in rebuttals to anyone saying they don't like His Highness, Emperor Obama. We that don't like him have gotten to the point where we go ahead and put defense of that BS in our posts because we've come to expect it to be played sooner or later. Honestly I see the talk about the race card being played far more than I ever see it played....this thread being a good example. First bring up how apparently you can't hate Obama. And then when no one agrees we get to hear about the race card. No one played the race card here. Winner winner, chicken dinner!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 20:07:59 GMT -5
I'll stipulate there is no racism involved with Obama as soon as someone can explain why so many southern states with various makeups went full bore republican after he got elected- some that flipped after decades of democratic control. Can't be his policies- ala Bush light. Oh, I'll be the first to say that there are some (even "many") that don't like him due to his race. That's not my point. My point is many people don't like him for reasons that have nothing to do with his race... yet we get called racists anyway. I've got nothing against having a black President... I'd've voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. Guess what race he is...
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Post by Angel! on Oct 21, 2014 20:16:23 GMT -5
I'll stipulate there is no racism involved with Obama as soon as someone can explain why so many southern states with various makeups went full bore republican after he got elected- some that flipped after decades of democratic control. Can't be his policies- ala Bush light. Oh, I'll be the first to say that there are some (even "many") that don't like him due to his race. That's not my point. My point is many people don't like him for reasons that have nothing to do with his race... yet we get called racists anyway. I've got nothing against having a black President... I'd've voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. Guess what race he is... Usually you don't though. I'm not saying it never happens. But, I have just as little respect for someone who assumes you can't dislike Obama without it being a racial issue as those that assume if you are a liberal you are a taker or any other stupid assumptions people make. Just because a small minority are ignorant, don't make it about the rest of us. Talking about this as though the majority feel you are racist is as bad as the people that assume that you are racist because a small minority is racist.
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 21, 2014 20:22:24 GMT -5
I agree- there is only enough racism to tip the scales in some places- hardly enough to condemn a state or the people in it.
Politics were generally local- no surprise for a southern state to have democrats in power locally- until Obama got elected. But- it wasn't like the whole state flipped- I accept by a large margin that the people that oppose him are not racist. And I would also agree to call someone a racist because they oppose the president is plain wrong.
But think about it- in places where both parties run neck and neck- there is just enough racism to affect an election- and the part I was talking about is in local elections- where the GOP suddenly swept governorships and both houses- which is not the norm.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 21, 2014 20:24:36 GMT -5
I truly do dislike our current president. Vehemently. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it's everything that he says out loud. I really resent that some label me racist as a result. I reserve the right to hate you based on your own personal attributes. Please feel free to treat me the same. So much this.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 21, 2014 20:29:26 GMT -5
The "race card" is played in rebuttals to anyone saying they don't like His Highness, Emperor Obama. We that don't like him have gotten to the point where we go ahead and put defense of that BS in our posts because we've come to expect it to be played sooner or later. Honestly I see the talk about the race card being played far more than I ever see it played....this thread being a good example. First bring up how apparently you can't hate Obama. And then when no one agrees we get to hear about the race card. No one played the race card here. I have seen a few posters in here bring up the race card when a conservative rants about Obama. I just shake my head and laugh. One poster does it consistently (though she posts more on YM than in here). I'm sure there are people that voted against Obama just because he is black. Just like I'm sure there are people that voted FOR Obama just because he is black. Racism goes both ways.
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 21, 2014 21:04:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't call voting for a black president because you are black racism. Black people voted for democratic candidates long before Obama.
But I disagree about racism going both ways- well sort of- the cause of it is white people. I can understand racism against whites. White people do not have a leg to stand on because the black people here are mostly here because of them.
It does not 'go both ways'. At least not equally.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2014 22:25:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't call voting for a black president because you are black racism. Black people voted for democratic candidates long before Obama.
But I disagree about racism going both ways- well sort of- the cause of it is white people. I can understand racism against whites. White people do not have a leg to stand on because the black people here are mostly here because of them.
It does not 'go both ways'. At least not equally.
voting FOR someone PARTIALLY because of their race is not racist. people tend to vote for people that have similar backgrounds and experiences to themselves.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2014 22:31:15 GMT -5
Honestly I see the talk about the race card being played far more than I ever see it played....this thread being a good example. First bring up how apparently you can't hate Obama. And then when no one agrees we get to hear about the race card. No one played the race card here. I have seen a few posters in here bring up the race card when a conservative rants about Obama. I just shake my head and laugh. One poster does it consistently (though she posts more on YM than in here). I'm sure there are people that voted against Obama just because he is black. Just like I'm sure there are people that voted FOR Obama just because he is black. Racism goes both ways. i am not sure about that, actually. that MIGHT be true. but i think that people voting FOR someone who is Italian, or Catholic, or has red hair, or speaks with a lisp, or who has a business background, or lived in Indonesia as a kid is not necessarily ANYTHING-ist. i tend to vote for people who have similar trajectories and beliefs to myself. if i hear someone who preaches self reliance, for example, i am attracted to that candidate- it would not matter to me if they were PURPLE. that is because my dad drilled that into me for 15 years. i can't help it. likewise, certain things about Obama's background are going to resonate with minorities. it is just how things are. it is not NECESSARILY racist. it might just be familiarity. i am trying to decide whether voting AGAINST him because he is black is a similar issue. still thinking about that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2014 22:36:57 GMT -5
i truly dislike W. loathe him, actually. so you have my sympathies. You have my sympathies. I understand how it feels to have someone in charge who shares none of your values. oh, i would not say "NONE" in the case of Bush. for example, he paid a lot of lip service to self reliance (though as far as i can tell, he has never really done anything completely independently in his life). and i doubt you could say none in the case of Obama, unless you don't have any appreciation for the fact that he appears to be a devoted husband and father, and his lip service to ideas like American Exceptionalism. i think what you are saying is that there are some things about Obama that you disagree with so strongly that they overshadow the things that you DO agree with him on, and in that, you are right, we do indeed understand one another.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 22, 2014 4:56:09 GMT -5
You have my sympathies. I understand how it feels to have someone in charge who shares none of your values. oh, i would not say "NONE" in the case of Bush. for example, he paid a lot of lip service to self reliance (though as far as i can tell, he has never really done anything completely independently in his life). and i doubt you could say none in the case of Obama, unless you don't have any appreciation for the fact that he appears to be a devoted husband and father, and his lip service to ideas like American Exceptionalism. i think what you are saying is that there are some things about Obama that you disagree with so strongly that they overshadow the things that you DO agree with him on, and in that, you are right, we do indeed understand one another. Politically I disagree with Obama on just about every political point. What he does or believes in his personal life has no bearing on my opinion of him as our President
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 22, 2014 4:58:09 GMT -5
I have seen a few posters in here bring up the race card when a conservative rants about Obama. I just shake my head and laugh. One poster does it consistently (though she posts more on YM than in here). I'm sure there are people that voted against Obama just because he is black. Just like I'm sure there are people that voted FOR Obama just because he is black. Racism goes both ways. i am not sure about that, actually. that MIGHT be true. but i think that people voting FOR someone who is Italian, or Catholic, or has red hair, or speaks with a lisp, or who has a business background, or lived in Indonesia as a kid is not necessarily ANYTHING-ist. i tend to vote for people who have similar trajectories and beliefs to myself. if i hear someone who preaches self reliance, for example, i am attracted to that candidate- it would not matter to me if they were PURPLE. that is because my dad drilled that into me for 15 years. i can't help it. likewise, certain things about Obama's background are going to resonate with minorities. it is just how things are. it is not NECESSARILY racist. it might just be familiarity. i am trying to decide whether voting AGAINST him because he is black is a similar issue. still thinking about that. You can't have it both ways. It is either racist to include race in your voting decisions or it isn't. Otherwise you are saying black people can vote for familiarity but white people can't. Big double standard and one that I'm sick of.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 22, 2014 5:46:15 GMT -5
I'll stipulate there is no racism involved with Obama as soon as someone can explain why so many southern states with various makeups went full bore republican after he got elected- some that flipped after decades of democratic control. Can't be his policies- ala Bush light. Oh, I'll be the first to say that there are some (even "many") that don't like him due to his race. That's not my point. My point is many people don't like him for reasons that have nothing to do with his race... yet we get called racists anyway. I've got nothing against having a black President... I'd've voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat. Guess what race he is... Me, too! I'd also vote for a woman and there are a lot of qualified ones out there. But I will never ever vote for Hillary.
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