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Post by deziloooooo on Oct 16, 2014 22:00:08 GMT -5
I came across a facinating , for me anyway..thread regarding one of the holiest Muslim sites .. With all the demonizing thoughts expressed on followers and the religion itself ..yet they number in the billions...I doubt anyone here in their life time will ever be in a position to see for them selves..well maybe mmhmm had the opportunity in her travels in the middle east..but for the rest of us..not even sure if we are as non followers , allowed to enter . I thought I would post here for those if any are interested..Scroll down from the narrative to the visual.. www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2014/09/pictures-dome-rock-20149176582316339.html
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 16, 2014 22:35:18 GMT -5
Christians can enter the Temple Mount, but cannot enter the Al Aqsa mosque or the Dome of the Rock. The view from Temple Mount is beautiful, as are the mosque and the dome, even though you can't enter those.
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 16, 2014 22:56:22 GMT -5
Bill Maher filmed inside the Dome of the Rock- remember a guy running a vacuum cleaner. Went downstairs to the actual rock.
What I think people need to understand is the Muslims, Jews, and Christians are all worshipping the same God.
I'd say maybe 5% of angry Christians understand the first thing about Islam.
It reminds me of a quote- it is obvious you have made God in your image when it turns out he hates all of the same people you do. So sad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 17, 2014 1:56:07 GMT -5
Jesus, defend me from your followers.....
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Post by sesfw on Oct 17, 2014 10:09:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 11:45:22 GMT -5
How nice to see a thread about Muslims that is not hateful!
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 17, 2014 11:50:17 GMT -5
How nice to see a thread about Muslims that is not hateful! This thread is an anonmaly for this board.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Oct 17, 2014 11:51:37 GMT -5
How nice to see a thread about Muslims that is not hateful! This thread is an anonmaly for this board. And I, for one, don't approve of it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 17, 2014 11:54:22 GMT -5
This thread is an anonmaly for this board. And I, for one, don't approve of it. And I would expect nothing less from you.
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Post by deziloooooo on Oct 17, 2014 13:38:36 GMT -5
And I, for one, don't approve of it. And I would expect nothing less from you. ......LOL...you go Tenn.... ....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 14:01:22 GMT -5
And I would expect nothing less from you. ......LOL...you go Tenn.... .... Isn't applauding division, one of religion's negative aspects.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 14:02:56 GMT -5
The Middle East, unfortunately, is a mess right now. Still, I'd hope that anyone with an interest in history and the various religions would take the opportunity, should it arise, to see such sights. I'm not a religious person but I was absolutely awe-stricken when I realized, in Damascus, I was walking on the Street Called Straight. I'd read about it in the bible and knew it had great historical and religious meaning. It's something I won't forget, kinda like sitting on a big rock at the Acropolis and realizing who else's butt might have graced that stone.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 14:04:34 GMT -5
How nice to see a thread about Muslims that is not hateful! This thread is an anonmaly for this board. It isn't, really. It depends on who's a part of the discussion. I spent over 20 years in Islamic countries and have plenty of Muslim friends for whom I care deeply.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 14:15:27 GMT -5
I'm going to move the above post to the "I've Got a Beef..." thread, tiki. I'll answer it there.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 17, 2014 14:20:58 GMT -5
This thread is an anonmaly for this board. It isn't, really. It depends on who's a part of the discussion. I spent over 20 years in Islamic countries and have plenty of Muslim friends for whom I care deeply. If we could have rational discussions about Islam here I would definitely agree with you. The vast majority of Muslims simply want to live and let live as life is hard enough without hating others not of your kind. But we have the occasional poster(s) who want to throw pig's blood on Muslims or drop bombs ladened with pork fat on Muslim populations so none of them have a happy afterlife (if it exists). Ignorance exists everywhere, including here.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 14:24:17 GMT -5
It isn't, really. It depends on who's a part of the discussion. I spent over 20 years in Islamic countries and have plenty of Muslim friends for whom I care deeply. If we could have rational discussions about Islam here I would definitely agree with you. The vast majority of Muslims simply want to live and let live as life is hard enough without hating others not of your kind. But we have the occasional poster(s) who want to throw pig's blood on Muslims or drop bombs ladened with pork fat on Muslim populations so none of them have a happy afterlife (if it exists). Ignorance exists everywhere, including here. Precisely, Tennesseer. Nobody should have to have their belief system denigrated but there are some who just can't seem to resist the chance to point the finger and call the nasty name. It's not acceptable and it results in nothing but endless reports to staff about insults. We end up having to delete multiple posts, move threads off the forums, and lock threads. It's a shame it has to be that way but there are some subjects that can't seem to be discussed with any level of decency.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 17, 2014 14:27:39 GMT -5
I only recall one poster here who self-identified as a Muslim. He did not last long on these boards. Gave up. Seemed like a nice guy. Too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 14:29:44 GMT -5
The Middle East, unfortunately, is a mess right now. Still, I'd hope that anyone with an interest in history and the various religions would take the opportunity, should it arise, to see such sights. I'm not a religious person but I was absolutely awe-stricken when I realized, in Damascus, I was walking on the Street Called Straight. I'd read about it in the bible and knew it had great historical and religious meaning. It's something I won't forget, kinda like sitting on a big rock at the Acropolis and realizing who else's butt might have graced that stone. Unfortunately the only other person I knew that spent a long time in the middle east besides you was a CIA man that retired close to where I live now. My DW actually met him first while he was volunteering at our regional hospital. He had little to say about the time he was working the area except for how the culture over there is not really understandable by the average westerner. What he did say about living there wasn't too positive and he was glad to retire and never have to go back. He made it sound like he was there for a good part of his working life, living there like a local. His stories coupled with all the media sources reporting sectarian violence etc, all in the name of divisional religious practice makes me have a bad opinion of the area. We don't have different divisions of Christian radicals killing one another over here. With that as my lifetime frame of reference I'm of the preference to be in the culture of here. I'm sure the sights are beautiful over there. I just don't want to see it in person.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 14:30:51 GMT -5
I only recall one poster here who self-identified as a Muslim. He did not last long on these boards. Gave up. Seemed like a nice guy. Too bad. It's darned sad! There's so much we can learn from those of different faiths and from different cultures. Why people seem to feel the need to denigrate anything they don't consider their own, or don't understand, is a mystery to me. They, however, insist on doing so and the result is ugly.
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Post by Pants on Oct 17, 2014 15:07:47 GMT -5
The Middle East, unfortunately, is a mess right now. Still, I'd hope that anyone with an interest in history and the various religions would take the opportunity, should it arise, to see such sights. I'm not a religious person but I was absolutely awe-stricken when I realized, in Damascus, I was walking on the Street Called Straight. I'd read about it in the bible and knew it had great historical and religious meaning. It's something I won't forget, kinda like sitting on a big rock at the Acropolis and realizing who else's butt might have graced that stone. Unfortunately the only other person I knew that spent a long time in the middle east besides you was a CIA man that retired close to where I live now. My DW actually met him first while he was volunteering at our regional hospital. He had little to say about the time he was working the area except for how the culture over there is not really understandable by the average westerner. What he did say about living there wasn't too positive and he was glad to retire and never have to go back. He made it sound like he was there for a good part of his working life, living there like a local. His stories coupled with all the media sources reporting sectarian violence etc, all in the name of divisional religious practice makes me have a bad opinion of the area. We don't have different divisions of Christian radicals killing one another over here. With that as my lifetime frame of reference I'm of the preference to be in the culture of here. I'm sure the sights are beautiful over there. I just don't want to see it in person. Islam is approximate 1000 years old. When Christianity was 1000 years old, we had the East/West schism and the crusades. There is something particularly obnoxious about religions when they're 1000 years old. Christianity mostly grew out of it in another 1000 years, why are you convinced that Islam won't?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 15:11:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately the only other person I knew that spent a long time in the middle east besides you was a CIA man that retired close to where I live now. My DW actually met him first while he was volunteering at our regional hospital. He had little to say about the time he was working the area except for how the culture over there is not really understandable by the average westerner. What he did say about living there wasn't too positive and he was glad to retire and never have to go back. He made it sound like he was there for a good part of his working life, living there like a local. His stories coupled with all the media sources reporting sectarian violence etc, all in the name of divisional religious practice makes me have a bad opinion of the area. We don't have different divisions of Christian radicals killing one another over here. With that as my lifetime frame of reference I'm of the preference to be in the culture of here. I'm sure the sights are beautiful over there. I just don't want to see it in person. Islam is approximate 1000 years old. When Christianity was 1000 years old, we had the East/West schism and the crusades. There is something particularly obnoxious about religions when they're 1000 years old. Christianity mostly grew out of it in another 1000 years, why are you convinced that Islam won't? LOL! I hadn't thought of it that way, bsbound! It's the 1000 year equivalent of the 7 year itch!
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Unfortunately the only other person I knew that spent a long time in the middle east besides you was a CIA man that retired close to where I live now. My DW actually met him first while he was volunteering at our regional hospital. He had little to say about the time he was working the area except for how the culture over there is not really understandable by the average westerner. What he did say about living there wasn't too positive and he was glad to retire and never have to go back. He made it sound like he was there for a good part of his working life, living there like a local. His stories coupled with all the media sources reporting sectarian violence etc, all in the name of divisional religious practice makes me have a bad opinion of the area. We don't have different divisions of Christian radicals killing one another over here. With that as my lifetime frame of reference I'm of the preference to be in the culture of here. I'm sure the sights are beautiful over there. I just don't want to see it in person. Islam is approximate 1000 years old. When Christianity was 1000 years old, we had the East/West schism and the crusades. There is something particularly obnoxious about religions when they're 1000 years old. Christianity mostly grew out of it in another 1000 years, why are you convinced that Islam won't? I'm not, but at most I'll only live another 25/30 years. I don't think they'll change fast enough.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 17, 2014 15:14:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately the only other person I knew that spent a long time in the middle east besides you was a CIA man that retired close to where I live now. My DW actually met him first while he was volunteering at our regional hospital. He had little to say about the time he was working the area except for how the culture over there is not really understandable by the average westerner. What he did say about living there wasn't too positive and he was glad to retire and never have to go back. He made it sound like he was there for a good part of his working life, living there like a local. His stories coupled with all the media sources reporting sectarian violence etc, all in the name of divisional religious practice makes me have a bad opinion of the area. We don't have different divisions of Christian radicals killing one another over here. With that as my lifetime frame of reference I'm of the preference to be in the culture of here. I'm sure the sights are beautiful over there. I just don't want to see it in person. Islam is approximate 1000 years old. When Christianity was 1000 years old, we had the East/West schism and the crusades. There is something particularly obnoxious about religions when they're 1000 years old. Christianity mostly grew out of it in another 1000 years, why are you convinced that Islam won't? My thought has pretty much been it is now Islam's turn to create havoc in the known world. It seems like all major religions do at one time or another.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2014 15:19:59 GMT -5
It's really such a shame you can't know some of my dear friends from the Middle East, @jma23. I think that might give you a different view. Nevertheless, each to his/her own. I enjoyed my time abroad and, while I was glad to come home I was also sad to leave. I learned a lot and grew a lot in the presence of other people from other cultures. I saw things I'd never have dreamed I'd see and had experiences that were unique and memorable. For me, it was a wonderful time of discovery that I'll never regret.
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Islam is approximate 1000 years old. When Christianity was 1000 years old, we had the East/West schism and the crusades. There is something particularly obnoxious about religions when they're 1000 years old. Christianity mostly grew out of it in another 1000 years, why are you convinced that Islam won't? My thought has pretty much been it is now Islam's turn to create havoc in the known world. It seems like all major religions do at one time or another. I think it is about culture mostly and not religion. I can not see what is different between Islam and Christianity only from reading the holy books for them. Be humble...be honest...care for poor and sick...respect and honour your parents...treat people with kindness..practice compassion... But it is culture that is different. Americans are mostly new to terrorist attacks. If you live at Pakistan you have attacks every day. Extremist mullahs control government because government officials fear them. Mostly the attacks get ignored and the people are accustomed to them. When America gets attacked its a big deal because Americans are not accustomed to it. Its not a big deal to Pakistanis if Americans got attacked. Probably they are thinking Hey we get attacked every day and you got attacked couple of times big deal.
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I am Hindu person all you are children to us.
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Post by sesfw on Oct 17, 2014 20:07:45 GMT -5
And I, for one, don't approve of it.
Too bad.
I, for one, appreciate good art where ever it is.
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Post by deziloooooo on Oct 18, 2014 2:49:01 GMT -5
The Middle East, unfortunately, is a mess right now. Still, I'd hope that anyone with an interest in history and the various religions would take the opportunity, should it arise, to see such sights. I'm not a religious person but I was absolutely awe-stricken when I realized, in Damascus, I was walking on the Street Called Straight. I'd read about it in the bible and knew it had great historical and religious meaning. It's something I won't forget, kinda like sitting on a big rock at the Acropolis and realizing who else's butt might have graced that stone. Unfortunately the only other person I knew that spent a long time in the middle east besides you was a CIA man that retired close to where I live now. My DW actually met him first while he was volunteering at our regional hospital. He had little to say about the time he was working the area except for how the culture over there is not really understandable by the average westerner. What he did say about living there wasn't too positive and he was glad to retire and never have to go back. He made it sound like he was there for a good part of his working life, living there like a local. His stories coupled with all the media sources reporting sectarian violence etc, all in the name of divisional religious practice makes me have a bad opinion of the area. We don't have different divisions of Christian radicals killing one another over here. With that as my lifetime frame of reference I'm of the preference to be in the culture of here. I'm sure the sights are beautiful over there. I just don't want to see it in person. Actually JMA that is not true... "We don't have different divisions of Christian radicals killing one another over here."When you consider history, it was only a short time ago that Christians were fighting a 100 year war between the two sects of christianity and while they did not have bombs to set off , if you read of the burning's , torn a sunder,village and town destruction's...even in this century here in our own country , the home of the brave and wanted...Protestant majority did all they could to keep out the Catholic Irish..Italian and any other group that had a different religion from themselves...As a non christian I never really understood these differences and hatreds...preety much putting a handle on the schism between Shia and Sunni and the other minor sects in between.. Actually if you consider that Islam history goes back what, 1400 years or so and Christianity is about 2000 give or take a bit...possible in another 600 years the Muslims will have graduated to where the two sects of Christianity is today.. "I'm of the preference to be in the culture of here. I'm sure the sights are beautiful over there. I just don't want to see it in person."Not wanting to experience sights and events your not familer with , personally I wouldn't be so proud of that and want to voice that around..but then again that's me...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 10:07:44 GMT -5
Probably I have more Muslim friends than anybody here and all of them are peaceful...ALL of them. They are shocked and angry at terrorists and other extremists. They are confused by western ignorance about Muslims. They are sad because hate for them by some westerners.
But you will not hear of my friends on fox news or else on CNN and such. They are not exciting to tell you about and mostly westerners like to have exciting news. So they tell about ISIS and other extremists and terrorists that SAY they are Muslim. It is better ratings at America to cause hate and fear than to tell how is life truly in the other part of the world.
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