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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2014 15:37:10 GMT -5
I don't like it, but the genie may already be out of the bottle. you know, there is a problem with that analogy (i don't blame you for it, i use this phrase too). the Genie of the Lamp is only out of the bottle until the wish is granted, then HE GOES BACK IN. i think that is really important, in this case, as well. this is our government. we can do what we will with it. if we want the genie back in the bottle, we should just make our wish.It is extremely invasive and getting exponentially worse. Using a combination of surveillance cameras, cell phones and or gps devices in cars, you can be tracked every moment once you leave your home...And maybe even in your home (remember the high school students who had laptops with cameras?). i totally agree, and i think privacy advocates should be a LOT more vocal. if, for example, i could have you cited for posting a video of me, and collect $5,000 for it without ever having to appear in court, that might make you think twice about shooting random video. Pandora innocently opening the box/jar? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 18:53:39 GMT -5
A dressing room has a "reasonable expectation of privacy"... so I agree with you on that one! there are a thousand things that are like this, that you are missing. ie- do you want your adjusting your manhood in a presumably private moment to be caught on film? how about picking your nose? is it anyone's business that you go into a liquor store at 11PM? no, i think you guys are seriously underestimating the invasiveness of the surveillance state. If it's legal for me to go into that liquor store at 11PM (it being legal would be the only way I would, just for the record)... I really couldn't care less if they record me doing it. If I have to "adjust the boys" and it gets caught on camera... so what? Same with the nose picking. Sometimes it's gotta happen (maybe i'm not digging for boogers... maybe I just need to scratch the inside... it DOES happen you know  ), and if it gets recorded... so what? |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2014 20:59:26 GMT -5
there are a thousand things that are like this, that you are missing. ie- do you want your adjusting your manhood in a presumably private moment to be caught on film? how about picking your nose? is it anyone's business that you go into a liquor store at 11PM? no, i think you guys are seriously underestimating the invasiveness of the surveillance state. If it's legal for me to go into that liquor store at 11PM (it being legal would be the only way I would, just for the record)... I really couldn't care less if they record me doing it. i find that a very unconvincing argument, along with "i am not doing anything wrong, so why should i care?". the answer is really obvious, of course, and that is that idea has NO LIMITING PRINCIPLE. why not have a GPS installed under your skin, so they can track you like a dog? after all, you are not doing anything wrong, right?If I have to "adjust the boys" and it gets caught on camera... so what? so it ends up on some site designed to publicly humiliate you. so it ends up on some pervs porn reel. so...a million other things.Same with the nose picking. Sometimes it's gotta happen (maybe i'm not digging for boogers... maybe I just need to scratch the inside... it DOES happen you know ), and if it gets recorded... so what? jesus. really? wow. ok, we really are quite different. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 21:31:53 GMT -5
If it's legal for me to go into that liquor store at 11PM (it being legal would be the only way I would, just for the record)... I really couldn't care less if they record me doing it. i find that a very unconvincing argument, along with "i am not doing anything wrong, so why should i care?". the answer is really obvious, of course, and that is that idea has NO LIMITING PRINCIPLE. why not have a GPS installed under your skin, so they can track you like a dog? after all, you are not doing anything wrong, right?If I have to "adjust the boys" and it gets caught on camera... so what? so it ends up on some site designed to publicly humiliate you. so it ends up on some pervs porn reel. so...a million other things.Same with the nose picking. Sometimes it's gotta happen (maybe i'm not digging for boogers... maybe I just need to scratch the inside... it DOES happen you know ), and if it gets recorded... so what? jesus. really? wow. ok, we really are quite different. A GPS under the skin would require an invasive procedure... so... that's not "just me being in public"... totally different criteria. "Adjusting the boys" doesn't humiliate me. People do it. (we could probably solve the "adjusting the boys/girls" {women "adjust the girls", it's just a reference to their chest area} issue if we got rid of clothes though...) |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2014 21:41:33 GMT -5
jesus. really? wow. ok, we really are quite different. A GPS under the skin would require an invasive procedure... so... that's not "just me being in public"... totally different criteria. not for me. for me, if the surveillance state is deep enough, there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between having an implant, and being watched."Adjusting the boys" doesn't humiliate me. People do it. ok, so now you are just intentionally ignoring the objection. it hand nothing to do with adjusting the boys. it had to do with the USE of that.(we could probably solve the "adjusting the boys/girls" {women "adjust the girls", it's just a reference to their chest area} issue if we got rid of clothes though...) groan. alright. let me know when you are ready to be serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 21:58:45 GMT -5
A GPS under the skin would require an invasive procedure... so... that's not "just me being in public"... totally different criteria. not for me. for me, if the surveillance state is deep enough, there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between having an implant, and being watched."Adjusting the boys" doesn't humiliate me. People do it. ok, so now you are just intentionally ignoring the objection. it hand nothing to do with adjusting the boys. it had to do with the USE of that.(we could probably solve the "adjusting the boys/girls" {women "adjust the girls", it's just a reference to their chest area} issue if we got rid of clothes though...) groan. alright. let me know when you are ready to be serious. Actually it had everything to do with "the use of it". I really don't care what they use it for (unless they make a profit with it... then I want my fair cut). And, I hate to tell you this, but if you have a cell phone, they can already "track" you. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2014 22:02:38 GMT -5
groan. alright. let me know when you are ready to be serious. Actually it had everything to do with "the use of it". I really don't care what they use it for (unless they make a profit with it... then I want my fair cut). And, I hate to tell you this, but if you have a cell phone, they can already "track" you. my cell has no GPS, so i am trying to figure out how "they" track me. and i think we are talking about different "theys", for the record. i get it, Richard. you have nothing to hide. that's nice. i do. i am incredibly sensitive about privacy issues, some would say obsessively. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 22:07:55 GMT -5
Actually it had everything to do with "the use of it". I really don't care what they use it for (unless they make a profit with it... then I want my fair cut). And, I hate to tell you this, but if you have a cell phone, they can already "track" you. my cell has no GPS, so i am trying to figure out how "they" track me. and i think we are talking about different "theys", for the record. i get it, Richard. you have nothing to hide. that's nice. i do. i am incredibly sensitive about privacy issues, some would say obsessively. They track you "in a general sense" by triangulation of your use of cell towers. It's not an "exact science", but they know what part of the city you are in. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2014 23:40:54 GMT -5
my cell has no GPS, so i am trying to figure out how "they" track me. and i think we are talking about different "theys", for the record. i get it, Richard. you have nothing to hide. that's nice. i do. i am incredibly sensitive about privacy issues, some would say obsessively. They track you "in a general sense" by triangulation of your use of cell towers. It's not an "exact science", but they know what part of the city you are in. i am not that concerned with that "they". |
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 2, 2014 7:33:39 GMT -5
I noticed that "the police have the suspect cornered" news really is getting scarce. www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/justice/pennsylvania-trooper-shooting/ You speak of video cameras, The police have Flir technology, with this they can see what you are doing inside of your house. With their Flir night vision, they can tell you where every dog, cat, skunk, bobcat, deer and anything else that gives off body heat is located in the search area. Frein is probably not even there. |
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Oct 2, 2014 8:33:17 GMT -5
I noticed that "the police have the suspect cornered" news really is getting scarce. www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/justice/pennsylvania-trooper-shooting/ You speak of video cameras, The police have Flir technology, with this they can see what you are doing inside of your house. With their Flir night vision, they can tell you where every dog, cat, skunk, bobcat, deer and anything else that gives off body heat is located in the search area. Frein is probably not even there. Maybe swat can start using this so they won't shoot the family dog. |
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 5, 2014 12:29:33 GMT -5
Apparently the police still have Frein cornered after almost four weeks now.
Yea they keep finding evidence that they have him on the run, you know like campsites, wonder if anyone else might have camped out in the woods?
Remember the soiled diapers that was proof that they had him on the run. What do you mean it came back inconclusive.
I read where there is 250 FBI agents working this.
Just how much is this costing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 19:40:59 GMT -5
He killed one cop and wounded another. Cost isn't something I'm all that worried about.
Cops intentionally go into danger to keep us civilians safe. I have no problem with them spending whatever is necessary when/if one of their own is targeted (as long as he/she wasn't committing a criminal act at the time, of course)... much less when one is killed.
They don't get paid enough for the job they do as it is... the least we can do is support them in defense of themselves and their brothers/sisters... and in bringing to justice anyone that harms one of them.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 5, 2014 19:48:56 GMT -5
Not to mention if law enforcement does anything more than just keep an eye on him until he dies of old age, all we'll hear about for the next two months is the bad ole' cops shooting some gentle giant who was doing nothing but trying to surrender.
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Post by sesfw on Oct 6, 2014 11:21:31 GMT -5
just keep an eye on him until he dies of old age
Or starves to death and they get him a week later after the critters have made meals of him.
My g-son in-law is a police officer so I'm not very nice.
Cops intentionally go into danger to keep us civilians safe.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 27, 2014 17:29:00 GMT -5
You still haven't caught that guy??
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 27, 2014 20:08:24 GMT -5
You still haven't caught that guy??
You should call the Mounties. They always get their man. They just might get the chance, he just might be in Canada because I don't think he's where the U.S. police are looking. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 30, 2014 17:46:03 GMT -5
You still haven't caught that guy??
You should call the Mounties. They always get their man. They just might get the chance, he just might be in Canada because I don't think he's where the U.S. police are looking. ABC Evening news is reporting in the last few minutes Frein has been captured. No link yet. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 30, 2014 18:33:01 GMT -5
I'm glad they got him. A bit surprised "excessive force" wasn't needed given events until now.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 30, 2014 19:38:03 GMT -5
I'm glad they got him. A bit surprised "excessive force" wasn't needed given events until now. He probably ran out of adult diapers and just could not stand the thought of crapping in his only remaining pair of pants. |
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Post by damnotagain on Oct 30, 2014 20:27:32 GMT -5
He killed one cop and wounded another. Cost isn't something I'm all that worried about. Cops intentionally go into danger to keep us civilians safe. I have no problem with them spending whatever is necessary when/if one of their own is targeted (as long as he/she wasn't committing a criminal act at the time, of course)... much less when one is killed. They don't get paid enough for the job they do as it is... the least we can do is support them in defense of themselves and their brothers/sisters... and in bringing to justice anyone that harms one of them. You really should change your name to dickintn , Richard ! after the bull shit you gave me on the ferguson thread. I guess it's ok to defend the police as long as they don't shoot a black perp? |
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Post by Bluerobin on Nov 1, 2014 11:23:26 GMT -5
Yep, PSP were cowards and had to cuff him first. They are supposed to uphold the law, not administer punishment. I am thoroughly disgusted with the actions of the State Police in this case. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 17:45:44 GMT -5
I guess it's impossible to get a gash on the nose while struggling against being handcuffed. Just because he "made no attempt to flee" doesn't mean the Marshals should assume that he would just quietly and respectfully put his hands behind his back and await cuffing. Maybe he didn't attempt to flee, but maybe the Marshals also couldn't assume he was just going to stand there and get arrested. Maybe they "took him down" aggressively, to keep themselves safe. There are probably a 100 ways he could have gotten injured that have nothing to do with "the cops just wanted to beat the crap out of him". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 17:46:41 GMT -5
Yep, PSP were cowards and had to cuff him first. They are supposed to uphold the law, not administer punishment. I am thoroughly disgusted with the actions of the State Police in this case. For the record, Federal Marshals aren't Pennsylvania State Police. |
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Post by Bluerobin on Nov 3, 2014 9:26:26 GMT -5
Richard, rumor has it he got it from both PSP and US Marshalls. If the Marshalls didn't get to him first, PSP would have probably executed him. The "Hunt" has really shown a lot of problems with the PSP. I hope they get addressed.
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