OldCoyote
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 10:34:48 GMT -5
Posts: 13,449
|
Post by OldCoyote on Sept 25, 2014 0:13:23 GMT -5
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,514
|
Post by Tennesseer on Sept 25, 2014 8:27:53 GMT -5
The other estimated 799,600 are.
|
|
OldCoyote
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 10:34:48 GMT -5
Posts: 13,449
|
Post by OldCoyote on Sept 25, 2014 9:10:28 GMT -5
I have seen some comments that the police with their roadblocks have kept people away from their homes so that they are unable to feed their pets!
If police worked this hard to solve regular citizens crimes, there would not be any crime.
|
|
mmhmm
Administrator
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Joined: Dec 25, 2010 18:13:34 GMT -5
Posts: 31,770
Today's Mood: Saddened by Events
Location: Memory Lane
Favorite Drink: Water
|
Post by mmhmm on Sept 25, 2014 9:17:37 GMT -5
I have seen some comments that the police with their roadblocks have kept people away from their homes so that they are unable to feed their pets! If police worked this hard to solve regular citizens crimes, there would not be any crime. They do. The press doesn't, necessarily, but most police do in my experience.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,866
|
Post by zibazinski on Sept 25, 2014 9:19:39 GMT -5
This is one of their own. You always do more for them. I do more for mine than I do for others. Human nature.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,514
|
Post by Tennesseer on Sept 25, 2014 9:20:59 GMT -5
I have seen some comments that the police with their roadblocks have kept people away from their homes so that they are unable to feed their pets! @ If police worked this hard to solve regular citizens crimes, there would not be any crime.If the police did, you would be crying about a police state.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,866
|
Post by zibazinski on Sept 25, 2014 9:23:09 GMT -5
Not me. DF hates the surveillance cameras. I love the fact that it catches criminals.
|
|
OldCoyote
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 10:34:48 GMT -5
Posts: 13,449
|
Post by OldCoyote on Sept 25, 2014 10:12:26 GMT -5
Actually tenn I would be pretty happy with a crime free environment.
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,514
|
Post by Tennesseer on Sept 25, 2014 10:30:56 GMT -5
Actually tenn I would be pretty happy with a crime free environment. Wouldn't we all. But putting those 400 police officers back on the beat with the other 799,600 officers won't make much of a difference in crime.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,142
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 25, 2014 11:28:52 GMT -5
Not me. DF hates the surveillance cameras. I love the fact that it catches criminals. yeah, i am thinking i will pass on that. i will accept a little crime to not have my life supervised by big brother.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,866
|
Post by zibazinski on Sept 25, 2014 11:42:54 GMT -5
Not me. They'd never have gotten that guy in Texas who probably murdered that girl. They'd never have gotten the guys that did the Boston Marathon without those cameras. Too many instances of criminals being caught with them.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,142
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 25, 2014 14:37:26 GMT -5
Not me. They'd never have gotten that guy in Texas who probably murdered that girl. They'd never have gotten the guys that did the Boston Marathon without those cameras. Too many instances of criminals being caught with them. i might feel differently about giving up my essential freedoms if my security had ever been violated in a way that terrified me. fortunately, it hasn't.
|
|
OldCoyote
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 10:34:48 GMT -5
Posts: 13,449
|
Post by OldCoyote on Sept 29, 2014 12:48:11 GMT -5
For the seventeenth day now the police are closing in on their killer, They keep saying that he has been sighted, then why can't they catch him.
I think they maybe chasing ghosts.
Just how much is this costing? I read one report that there one thousand police involved in this search now.
|
|
gooddecisions
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 22, 2010 13:42:28 GMT -5
Posts: 2,418
|
Post by gooddecisions on Sept 29, 2014 13:12:06 GMT -5
I consider my county a police state. There are almost 600 police officers and they seem to spend most of their time pulling people and giving tickets for minor traffic infractions, like an expired tag or inspection. I have let something expire one day, and I'm caught and given a ticket. They are too busy trying to collect revenue than prevent/catch the rapers and murderers and shut down the meth labs. Meanwhile, I have to wonder if there is really a need for 600 police officers in a single county. Seems excessive.
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 29, 2014 13:54:31 GMT -5
marksman, and he doesn't appear to be a threat to the public at large- just cops. And the cops are providing him a target-rich environment. The whole thing seems to be rather reactionary, leading me to believe that at least part of it is to instill fear in the public that if you kill a police officer, they will declare war on your ass-- which of course this person feels like they already have which is what is motivating him. And yes, I have ideas-- several ideas-- on much, much smarter ways to deal with this sort of thing which is very likely to increase as we build a more impersonal, provocative, and violence-as-a-first-resort police force.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,142
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2014 14:03:55 GMT -5
marksman, and he doesn't appear to be a threat to the public at large- just cops. And the cops are providing him a target-rich environment. The whole thing seems to be rather reactionary, leading me to believe that at least part of it is to instill fear in the public that if you kill a police officer, they will declare war on your ass-- which of course this person feels like they already have which is what is motivating him. And yes, I have ideas-- several ideas-- on much, much smarter ways to deal with this sort of thing which is very likely to increase as we build a more impersonal, provocative, and violence-as-a-first-resort police force. Paul- what do you think of the 24/7 surveillance idea? zib is down for it. are you?
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 29, 2014 14:05:28 GMT -5
marksman, and he doesn't appear to be a threat to the public at large- just cops. And the cops are providing him a target-rich environment. The whole thing seems to be rather reactionary, leading me to believe that at least part of it is to instill fear in the public that if you kill a police officer, they will declare war on your ass-- which of course this person feels like they already have which is what is motivating him. And yes, I have ideas-- several ideas-- on much, much smarter ways to deal with this sort of thing which is very likely to increase as we build a more impersonal, provocative, and violence-as-a-first-resort police force. Paul- what do you think of the 24/7 surveillance idea? zib is down for it. are you? 24/7 surveillance of the police by private citizens- every cop, all the time, wired- uploaded to the cloud where any citizen at any time can see and hear what their up to? Or something else?
|
|
AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 11:59:07 GMT -5
Posts: 31,709
Favorite Drink: Sweetwater 420
|
Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 29, 2014 14:07:30 GMT -5
Not me. DF hates the surveillance cameras. I love the fact that it catches criminals. If the surveillance is operated by private entities on private property, and adequate notice is provided to the public-- fine. But we don't need a surveillance state.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,142
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Sept 29, 2014 15:05:17 GMT -5
Paul- what do you think of the 24/7 surveillance idea? zib is down for it. are you? 24/7 surveillance of the police by private citizens- every cop, all the time, wired- uploaded to the cloud where any citizen at any time can see and hear what their up to? Or something else? something else. 24/7 of everyone BY the state.
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,866
|
Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2014 19:04:04 GMT -5
In the privacy of your home? No. Out in public? Yes. I have zero expectation of privacy in public. Neither do I expect it.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: May 5, 2024 6:05:43 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 19:29:42 GMT -5
In the privacy of your home? No. Out in public? Yes. I have zero expectation of privacy in public. Neither do I expect it. I'm good with that too. In my home or on my PRIVATE property? I expect privacy. Out in public... meh... whatever. Public IS "public" after all...
|
|
zibazinski
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 24, 2010 16:12:50 GMT -5
Posts: 47,866
|
Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2014 19:34:13 GMT -5
I do however don't want to find out my dressing room is being watched while I'm trying on clothes. If you do that, I feel the store needs to be honest about it.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: May 5, 2024 6:05:43 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 19:35:51 GMT -5
I do however don't want to find out my dressing room is being watched while I'm trying on clothes. If you do that, I feel the store needs to be honest about it. A dressing room has a "reasonable expectation of privacy"... so I agree with you on that one!
|
|
OldCoyote
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 10:34:48 GMT -5
Posts: 13,449
|
Post by OldCoyote on Sept 30, 2014 23:21:16 GMT -5
|
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 63,514
|
Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2014 12:14:09 GMT -5
Which do you think would raise the hackles of hunters in Pennsylvania more: the ability to hunt during deer season while the police manhunt continues or not being able to hunt during deer hunting season while then police manhunt continues?
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,142
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2014 13:08:18 GMT -5
In the privacy of your home? No. Out in public? Yes. I have zero expectation of privacy in public. Neither do I expect it. i expect to not have my movements monitored while i am in public. what i do in public is none of anyone's concern so long as i am not harming the person or property of a non-consenting other.
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,142
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2014 13:10:11 GMT -5
I do however don't want to find out my dressing room is being watched while I'm trying on clothes. If you do that, I feel the store needs to be honest about it. A dressing room has a "reasonable expectation of privacy"... so I agree with you on that one! there are a thousand things that are like this, that you are missing. ie- do you want your adjusting your manhood in a presumably private moment to be caught on film? how about picking your nose? is it anyone's business that you go into a liquor store at 11PM? no, i think you guys are seriously underestimating the invasiveness of the surveillance state.
|
|
fairlycrazy23
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 23:55:19 GMT -5
Posts: 3,306
|
Post by fairlycrazy23 on Oct 1, 2014 13:29:30 GMT -5
marksman, and he doesn't appear to be a threat to the public at large- just cops. And the cops are providing him a target-rich environment. The whole thing seems to be rather reactionary, leading me to believe that at least part of it is to instill fear in the public that if you kill a police officer, they will declare war on your ass-- which of course this person feels like they already have which is what is motivating him. And yes, I have ideas-- several ideas-- on much, much smarter ways to deal with this sort of thing which is very likely to increase as we build a more impersonal, provocative, and violence-as-a-first-resort police force.So I don't know the details of this manhunt, but as much as I rail against the state you can't have people shooting cops. So in general I agree with using overwhelming force to catch cop killers, however, since I don't know the details of this manhunt, I don't know if what they are doing is appropriate or even effective.
|
|
fairlycrazy23
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 27, 2010 23:55:19 GMT -5
Posts: 3,306
|
Post by fairlycrazy23 on Oct 1, 2014 13:39:09 GMT -5
A dressing room has a "reasonable expectation of privacy"... so I agree with you on that one! there are a thousand things that are like this, that you are missing. ie- do you want your adjusting your manhood in a presumably private moment to be caught on film? how about picking your nose? is it anyone's business that you go into a liquor store at 11PM? no, i think you guys are seriously underestimating the invasiveness of the surveillance state. I don't like it, but the genie may already be out of the bottle. It is extremely invasive and getting exponentially worse. Using a combination of surveillance cameras, cell phones and or gps devices in cars, you can be tracked every moment once you leave your home...And maybe even in your home (remember the high school students who had laptops with cameras?).
|
|
djAdvocate
Member Emeritus
only posting when the mood strikes me.
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 12:33:54 GMT -5
Posts: 75,142
Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"000307"}
|
Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2014 14:51:22 GMT -5
there are a thousand things that are like this, that you are missing. ie- do you want your adjusting your manhood in a presumably private moment to be caught on film? how about picking your nose? is it anyone's business that you go into a liquor store at 11PM? no, i think you guys are seriously underestimating the invasiveness of the surveillance state. I don't like it, but the genie may already be out of the bottle. you know, there is a problem with that analogy (i don't blame you for it, i use this phrase too). the Genie of the Lamp is only out of the bottle until the wish is granted, then HE GOES BACK IN. i think that is really important, in this case, as well. this is our government. we can do what we will with it. if we want the genie back in the bottle, we should just make our wish.It is extremely invasive and getting exponentially worse. Using a combination of surveillance cameras, cell phones and or gps devices in cars, you can be tracked every moment once you leave your home...And maybe even in your home (remember the high school students who had laptops with cameras?). i totally agree, and i think privacy advocates should be a LOT more vocal. if, for example, i could have you cited for posting a video of me, and collect $5,000 for it without ever having to appear in court, that might make you think twice about shooting random video.
|
|