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Post by justme on Sept 11, 2014 12:46:55 GMT -5
What is the difference between SSI Disability & SSD? Not sure which he would be filing for. I actually don't think he would qualify anyway. He has a messed up leg, but he is perfectly capable of doing work that doesn't require you to be on your feet for extended periods. We haven't filed jointly since I think 2010, so unless he gets some old tax records he won't find my SS#. Rant ahead... This isn't relevant to the issue, but just feel like complaining. He is totally incapable of asking for a favor without throwing in some snide comment & being an ass. I don't get how he doesn't understand why that would make me less willing to help. In the initial request he threw in there "Stuff you wouldn't let me come over and get", which is complete BS. He came over about a dozen times to get stuff, including with a moving truck once. Then he had to add "Let me guess, you threw it away". SSI is from the state and is based on not having enough money. It has an income test and may be different in every state. SSI DOES NOT require the 40 quarters work. It isn't actually Social Security, it is "supplemental security income". SSD is based upon your work record. It requires 40 quarters of work and is not dependent on your assets. It can be confusing because both are administered by the SSA. This is because they have the experience and expertise in Disability. They are not the same program though and a lot of people (especially younger ones) say they are on "disability" when they are actually on SSI. It depends on your age. You actually don't need 40 for SSDI until you hit 62. If he's in his 30s he only needs 20 credits. www.ssa.gov/retire2/credits3.htm
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 11, 2014 12:51:18 GMT -5
SSI is from the state and is based on not having enough money. It has an income test and may be different in every state. SSI DOES NOT require the 40 quarters work. It isn't actually Social Security, it is "supplemental security income". SSD is based upon your work record. It requires 40 quarters of work and is not dependent on your assets. It can be confusing because both are administered by the SSA. This is because they have the experience and expertise in Disability. They are not the same program though and a lot of people (especially younger ones) say they are on "disability" when they are actually on SSI. It depends on your age. You actually don't need 40 for SSDI until you hit 62. If he's in his 30s he only needs 20 credits. www.ssa.gov/retire2/credits3.htmSweet,,, thanks for the info!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 11, 2014 12:52:04 GMT -5
Others have given you the differences between SSDI and SSI. Another thing is that you file for both SSI and SSDI at the same time.
I knew that I was not eligible for SSI when I filed for SSDI, so never filled out the SSI part of the application online. However, there was a glitch in my record (maybe because I didn't fill it out?) so I got a phone interview instead. That was when they asked me as to bank/retirement account balances, car value and home value.
SSI is means driven, SSDI is employment driven.
The number of work credits needed for disability benefits depends on your age when you become disabled. Generally you need 40 credits, 20 of which were earned in the last 10 years ending with the year you become disabled. However, younger workers may qualify with fewer credits.
The rules are as follows:
Before age 24--You may qualify if you have 6 credits earned in the 3-year period ending when your disability starts.
Age 24 to 31--You may qualify if you have credit for working half the time between age 21 and the time you become disabled. For example, if you become disabled at age 27, you would need credit for 3 years of work (12 credits) out of the past 6 years (between ages 21 and 27).
Age 31 or older--In general, you need to have the number of work credits shown in the chart below.
Unless you are blind, you must have earned at least 20 of the credits in the 10 years immediately before you became disabled.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 12:54:04 GMT -5
Aha! Found a PDF version of the application. They make that hard to find. It does ask for SS# for ex-spouses. But, it also say to put "None" or "Unknown" if applicable. I will just tell him to put unknown. We weren't married long enough for it to matter & SS people could easily look it up for themselves anyway. Is it weird or bad that I am totally looking forward to making him unbelievably mad? Sorry I am not jumping through hoops for you & don't have some paperwork that you should have kept for yourself. I honestly would be shocked if his birth certificate was in the house & I certainly don't know where it is if it is. I will be nice & check the drawer he said to look in though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 12:57:14 GMT -5
Did i misunderstand you or is he now in TX?? Is he away from you? If yes, then i am glad.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 13:04:43 GMT -5
Did i misunderstand you or is he now in TX?? Is he away from you? If yes, then i am glad. Oh, I guess I didn't update that. Yes, I am 99% certain he is in TX now. It is possible he is lying, but I really don't think that is the case. He also decided to play super-dad since he left. He called the kids every night for 8 days straight. And then I failed to send him some pictures immediately upon request at 6 AM one morning (Pictures will be emailed on Fridays if requested during the week). So he blew up at me and hasn't called since. He made a big deal about how he was going to call yesterday for DD's Bday, but then didn't. At someone else's suggestion, if he continues harassing me, then I am going to set dates/times when he is allowed to call the kids & block his calls & texts at all other times.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 13:08:48 GMT -5
I am glad he is away from you. You can have a little relief from wondering if he'll ust show up.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 11, 2014 13:14:59 GMT -5
Did i misunderstand you or is he now in TX?? Is he away from you? If yes, then i am glad. Oh, I guess I didn't update that. Yes, I am 99% certain he is in TX now. It is possible he is lying, but I really don't think that is the case. He also decided to play super-dad since he left. He called the kids every night for 8 days straight. And then I failed to send him some pictures immediately upon request at 6 AM one morning (Pictures will be emailed on Fridays if requested during the week). So he blew up at me and hasn't called since. He made a big deal about how he was going to call yesterday for DD's Bday, but then didn't. At someone else's suggestion, if he continues harassing me, then I am going to set dates/times when he is allowed to call the kids & block his calls & texts at all other times. Good. I personally hope that his sorry butt is swallowed up for good, somewhere deep in the heart of Texas (there has to be a country-western song there, right?) And his Jekyll-and-Hyde behavior is typical. He will go for days, possibly even longer, on a nice and normal behavior binge while his mood is on an upswing. But when it goes down, it's ugly. The fact that you did not send those photos upon his request had nothing to do with the blowup. He would have blown up anyway; the photos were just the match to his perennially unstable and short fuse.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 14:09:01 GMT -5
Oh yeah, he had one at one point. The only one I recall was last hidden in his apartment in the little gap between the microwave & the cabinets the microwave hung from. He was paranoid & hid shit in the weirdest places. Then he moved out & didn't take it. Then got into a fight with the ex-roommate, so I am fairly certain he never got it back.
But, if there is one in my house, I didn't know about it. The problem is that he does hide shit in the weirdest places. And he is over a foot taller than me, so has a lot of reach that I don't. So he could have stuck it out in some cabinet in the garage, or inside some book or box, or hidden under something in some closet, or any number of random places. I still haven't cleaned through everything & I can't look in every nook & cranny where he might have stuck it if he doesn't know where it is. So he is probably SOL unless he knows where it is. Who knows, maybe I will find it a year or two from now.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 14:10:36 GMT -5
Oh, I guess I didn't update that. Yes, I am 99% certain he is in TX now. It is possible he is lying, but I really don't think that is the case. He also decided to play super-dad since he left. He called the kids every night for 8 days straight. And then I failed to send him some pictures immediately upon request at 6 AM one morning (Pictures will be emailed on Fridays if requested during the week). So he blew up at me and hasn't called since. He made a big deal about how he was going to call yesterday for DD's Bday, but then didn't. At someone else's suggestion, if he continues harassing me, then I am going to set dates/times when he is allowed to call the kids & block his calls & texts at all other times. I was smart & didn't tell her he was going to call. So at least I was the only one upset by it. What made me sad is DS made sure to have the phone by his side for 2 days in a row waiting for his call after his meltdown. I didn't have the heart to tell him that Dad probably wasn't calling.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 14:11:38 GMT -5
I super hope he is in texas! Me too! Especially if I can't find this stuff, I think he might take it upon himself to come & look for it. So I hope he is truly gone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 14:11:59 GMT -5
I super hope he is in texas! And I sure hope he doesn't bother to come back for his 9/23 court date! Let the warrant get issued. That will keep him away.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 11, 2014 16:10:15 GMT -5
I was smart & didn't tell her he was going to call. So at least I was the only one upset by it. What made me sad is DS made sure to have the phone by his side for 2 days in a row waiting for his call after his meltdown. I didn't have the heart to tell him that Dad probably wasn't calling.That would make me a lot more than sad. Just reading it makes me a lot more than sad, and I don't even have kids.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Sept 11, 2014 16:11:26 GMT -5
Oh yeah, he had one at one point. The only one I recall was last hidden in his apartment in the little gap between the microwave & the cabinets the microwave hung from. He was paranoid & hid shit in the weirdest places. Then he moved out & didn't take it. Then got into a fight with the ex-roommate, so I am fairly certain he never got it back. But, if there is one in my house, I didn't know about it. The problem is that he does hide shit in the weirdest places. And he is over a foot taller than me, so has a lot of reach that I don't. So he could have stuck it out in some cabinet in the garage, or inside some book or box, or hidden under something in some closet, or any number of random places. I still haven't cleaned through everything & I can't look in every nook & cranny where he might have stuck it if he doesn't know where it is. So he is probably SOL unless he knows where it is. Who knows, maybe I will find it a year or two from now. OOO, you should look, maybe he left you some cash stashed around the house
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 11, 2014 16:15:35 GMT -5
I still remember XH's SSN and it's been almost 15 years since we had shared paperwork. But he was useless and that was good info to retain for a while. Might still be.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 11, 2014 16:17:37 GMT -5
I still remember XH's SSN and it's been almost 15 years since we had shared paperwork. But he was useless and that was good info to retain for a while. Might still be. Which one, the fact that he's useless or the fact that the info is good to have?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 16:18:35 GMT -5
I could do HUGE damage to both of my ex's financially if I was so inclined. They're lucky I'm nice.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Sept 11, 2014 16:21:20 GMT -5
I still remember XH's SSN and it's been almost 15 years since we had shared paperwork. But he was useless and that was good info to retain for a while. Might still be. Which one, the fact that he's useless or the fact that the info is good to have? Oh, he's definitely still useless, but knowing the SSN might be useful a bit longer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 17:05:19 GMT -5
I'm looking at DH's SSDI checklist in front of me and it requires: name of current spouse, prior spouse (if the marriage lasted more than 10 years ago or ended in death), spouse(s) date of birth and SSN (optional) date and place of marriage date of divorce.
He's full of shit and doesn't need your SSN.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 11, 2014 17:11:23 GMT -5
That's the reason I held onto the last tax return we filed jointly. Just so I would have EX's SS#. No, I wasn't planning on doing anything dasterly with it but I knew I would need it when I decided to draw just in case I could draw against him. All that other stuff he is wanting he can get from other sources. I wouldn't waste my time thinking about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 17:12:21 GMT -5
My ex-aunt (uncle's ex-wife) is filing based on his record. They were legally married like 30 years (actually together like 15-don't ask ). She is apparently having a lot of mental health issues and cannot work so she is filing for disability (She was a SAHM, then a student, etc. I think she worked for ~3 years in her life). I thought she couldn't get it without 40 quarters too but apparently she can based on his record (my cousin has been looking it this and has gotten the info from her lawyer...). I don't know what program it is but apparently it does exist... It sounds like plain old Social Security. My mother did the same thing when she had to retire on disability. She and my dad had been married over 10 years so although they were divorced longer than they were ever married, she was able to draw on his SS and then when she hit whatever age it was, she was able to bump it up a little with her own SS. He had just passed away so at least he didn't have to worry about needing the money himself.
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Post by cronewitch on Sept 11, 2014 18:32:05 GMT -5
Aha! Found a PDF version of the application. They make that hard to find. It does ask for SS# for ex-spouses. But, it also say to put "None" or "Unknown" if applicable. I will just tell him to put unknown. We weren't married long enough for it to matter & SS people could easily look it up for themselves anyway. Is it weird or bad that I am totally looking forward to making him unbelievably mad? Sorry I am not jumping through hoops for you & don't have some paperwork that you should have kept for yourself. I honestly would be shocked if his birth certificate was in the house & I certainly don't know where it is if it is. I will be nice & check the drawer he said to look in though SS can easily look it up. I forgot to take my ex's when I applied and they just looked it up.
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Post by Opti on Sept 11, 2014 18:51:27 GMT -5
He doesn't keep anything. He is also asking me to send his birth certificate & last 3 years of W-2s. I am pretty sure I don't have any of it other than the 2013 W2s. He is about to be really pissed . He is already accusing me of throwing it all out. Ummm....I don't know where you kept your stuff, I don't recall you ever having a birth certificate that I saw. Every year I gave him all his tax return stuff, I didn't hold onto it. I just have the 2013 because he never took it. Proper response should be, IMO," it was your job to secure everything including documents prior to the divorce being final. "
If you feel generous, gently suggest that perhaps his employers can get prior years of W2s and birth certificates can be ordered for a fee.
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Post by Opti on Sept 11, 2014 18:54:52 GMT -5
Aha! Found a PDF version of the application. They make that hard to find. It does ask for SS# for ex-spouses. But, it also say to put "None" or "Unknown" if applicable. I will just tell him to put unknown. We weren't married long enough for it to matter & SS people could easily look it up for themselves anyway. Is it weird or bad that I am totally looking forward to making him unbelievably mad? Sorry I am not jumping through hoops for you & don't have some paperwork that you should have kept for yourself. I honestly would be shocked if his birth certificate was in the house & I certainly don't know where it is if it is. I will be nice & check the drawer he said to look in though Its human, but fwiw, I personally wouldn't indulge in it too long. What you have is now and what's in the future. Even for all the crap in the past that pisses you off, it is just stuff that happened in the past that can not be changed.
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Post by nutty on Sept 11, 2014 19:18:08 GMT -5
I was denied because I didn't have enough credits but that chart shows different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 19:44:16 GMT -5
I was denied because I didn't have enough credits but that chart shows different. I can't wait to see what they say for DH. He has the credits, been doing the same job for 26 years but according to some of the people we have spoken to, he will probably get denied anyway because he's only 47. Should be fun. At least we already have the lawyer lined up for the appeal.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Sept 11, 2014 20:41:15 GMT -5
I always told my ex that I wasn't his "pick-up girl" anymore once we were separated and eventually divorced. I meant "pick-up girl" in the sense of not being the one to clean up his life's messes anymore. He had to do all himself. I did send him his birth and baptismal certificates which he had left behind. He left with his little black book, or at least had begun one, but didn't take those . Ijjit.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 22:13:56 GMT -5
I sent an email letting him know what I found and where I looked. No birth certificate. Not most of the w2s he was hoping for.
I am curious what kind of reply I will get. I am guessing it won't be 'thanks for trying'.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 12, 2014 0:28:29 GMT -5
My ex-aunt (uncle's ex-wife) is filing based on his record. They were legally married like 30 years (actually together like 15-don't ask ). She is apparently having a lot of mental health issues and cannot work so she is filing for disability (She was a SAHM, then a student, etc. I think she worked for ~3 years in her life). I thought she couldn't get it without 40 quarters too but apparently she can based on his record (my cousin has been looking it this and has gotten the info from her lawyer...). I don't know what program it is but apparently it does exist... It sounds like plain old Social Security. My mother did the same thing when she had to retire on disability. She and my dad had been married over 10 years so although they were divorced longer than they were ever married, she was able to draw on his SS and then when she hit whatever age it was, she was able to bump it up a little with her own SS. He had just passed away so at least he didn't have to worry about needing the money himself. That's what confused me. She is in her 50s, so not old enough to claim SS. My cousin named it specifically as disability. Maybe another programs?
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Post by The Captain on Sept 12, 2014 6:47:04 GMT -5
I super hope he is in texas! Me too! Especially if I can't find this stuff, I think he might take it upon himself to come & look for it. So I hope he is truly gone. I'm sure this has already been covered but I can't remember seeing it. You have had all your locks re-keyed and made sure he is aware of that fact, right? So if he attempts to do anything stupid there is no doubt it would be breaking and entering. I would think you would then have the right to invoke the castle doctrine...
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