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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 11:19:38 GMT -5
My ex is asking for my social to file for disability. He says they calculate his disibility income based on both our incomes during the marriage. I am obviously suspicious of this, so thought someone on here might know if this is a legit request.
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Post by TheHaitian on Sept 11, 2014 11:23:32 GMT -5
My gut instinct is "No, don't give it to him".
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Post by alabamagal on Sept 11, 2014 11:24:20 GMT -5
I would also say no. But surprised he doesn't have it somewhere.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Sept 11, 2014 11:24:57 GMT -5
I would contact the SS office directly to ask if they need it, and if they do if you can just give it to them directly. Wouldn't he have access to it already on past tax returns and other legal documents?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 11, 2014 11:27:25 GMT -5
Have him send you the form or request and you will fill it out and give directly to the agency requesting it.
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Post by justme on Sept 11, 2014 11:28:05 GMT -5
As far as I know SSDI has nothing to do with spouses. www.ssa.gov/dibplan/dqualify2.htm Only talks about the disabled's work record. Also, were you even married for 10 years? I know that's the min to claim retirement benefits on an ex spouse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 11:29:53 GMT -5
I would contact the SS office directly to ask if they need it, and if they do if you can just give it to them directly. Wouldn't he have access to it already on past tax returns and other legal documents? I wouldn't give yours or the kids SS#'s to him. My ex asked for copies of last years tax returns to get a scholarship for a Y membership and I took them to the Y myself.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 11, 2014 11:30:04 GMT -5
That sounds fishy to me. I'd call the Social Security office and ask questions before I gave him my SS#.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 11:32:11 GMT -5
He doesn't keep anything. He is also asking me to send his birth certificate & last 3 years of W-2s. I am pretty sure I don't have any of it other than the 2013 W2s. He is about to be really pissed . He is already accusing me of throwing it all out. Ummm....I don't know where you kept your stuff, I don't recall you ever having a birth certificate that I saw. Every year I gave him all his tax return stuff, I didn't hold onto it. I just have the 2013 because he never took it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 11:32:36 GMT -5
Lets face it, the guy has not exactly been behaving in a manner that would lend to trusting him.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Sept 11, 2014 11:33:31 GMT -5
All of those documents can be obtained as copies. He can spend the hours on the phone with the county clerk/IRS/employer to get it himself. Depends on how nice you feel like being I guess
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 11:35:24 GMT -5
Ok thanks. That was my gut reaction is that it seemed fishy. I'd never heard disability was calculated using spouse's income. And no we weren't married for 10 years. Only married for 3 when we filed legally separation & 6 when I finalized the divorce.
I will call SS & ask & go from there.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 11, 2014 11:37:24 GMT -5
He doesn't keep anything. He is also asking me to send his birth certificate & last 3 years of W-2s. I am pretty sure I don't have any of it other than the 2013 W2s. He is about to be really pissed . He is already accusing me of throwing it all out. Ummm....I don't know where you kept your stuff, I don't recall you ever having a birth certificate that I saw. Every year I gave him all his tax return stuff, I didn't hold onto it. I just have the 2013 because he never took it. Umm, those things are his responsibility, not yours. If he didn't see to their safety, that doesn't constitute an emergency on your part. I know what I'd tell him, but it isn't printable.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 11:38:15 GMT -5
All of those documents can be obtained as copies. He can spend the hours on the phone with the county clerk/IRS/employer to get it himself. Depends on how nice you feel like being I guess I will be nice & send him what I have. But, if he can't tell me where he thinks the rest are in the house, I am not going to kill myself to find them. Especially since I don't believe they are here. He can deal with it. He already hates me, this just gives him more reasons.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Sept 11, 2014 11:50:12 GMT -5
Absolutely not. He doesn't need your SS# for filing for SSD. If he's applying for SSI disability, which is based on financial circumstances as well as disability, he might need it, but he can have the SS rep email you for it. Also, if your divorce is finalized ( sorry I don't remember ), then your assets and income are not relevant. SSD is calculated from his earnings through out his lifetime, not yours. I guess there's a disabled spouse benefit which he might also be filing for, which is what he might be talking about.
As for the rest, he can get that stuff himself by calling his former employers and sending an app for a copy of his birth certificate ( with some $$ ) to the state. It's not your problem. I went through a similar thing with my ex re: a copy of our last tax return. I couldn't find it. He was furious. I eventually found it in my trunk in a plastic bag months later. Those were interesting times.
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Post by swamp on Sept 11, 2014 11:50:29 GMT -5
I think he's full of shit.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 11, 2014 11:57:36 GMT -5
He doesn't keep anything. He is also asking me to send his birth certificate & last 3 years of W-2s. I am pretty sure I don't have any of it other than the 2013 W2s. He is about to be really pissed . He is already accusing me of throwing it all out. Ummm....I don't know where you kept your stuff, I don't recall you ever having a birth certificate that I saw. Every year I gave him all his tax return stuff, I didn't hold onto it. I just have the 2013 because he never took it. Your SSN isn't needed for what he is filing. I'd tell him to take his request and build an igloo with it. But that's just me. As others have posted: an emergency on his part does not constitute an issue on yours. And even if he had all his info, I'll betcha a dollar that given his history, he'd likely not get the filing done. It sounds like yet another reason to contact you and push a button or two. Send him papers, if you have them, and if it's convenient for you. But do not give him your SSN. With that, plus your name and DOB, he can wreak all kinds of havoc on your credit and your life; a fact I know you are very much aware of. Stay strong and keep the wheels moving forward. Right over him, if you have to.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 11, 2014 12:00:25 GMT -5
Your SSDI income is on your own record, not your spouse's. They do ask for a spouse's SS# (and any children) on the application as they would be entitled to disability benefits, but this is a moot point as you're not married.
If you apply for SSI, they have to use the ENTIRE household income to compute benefits. They also include balances in bank accounts, retirement accounts and car/home value.
Is this ex legally your ex? Are you divorced? If so, there is no reason why he needs your SS#.
Hmmm.....SSDI (nor any of the 2 other companies I received benefits from) never asked for any of my W-2 forms either. It sounds like he's applying for welfare benefits too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 12:03:00 GMT -5
He's doing something sneaky I bet.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 11, 2014 12:08:14 GMT -5
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
If you previously filed jointly your ex husband can request copies of prior year's returns going back 6 years from the IRS. It will cost him about $54 per return but I know of instances where ex's used this to get SS #'s. If you suspect ANY hankypanky is possible, keep a close eyes on your financial accounts. www.irs.gov/uac/How-to-Get-Your-Prior-Year-Tax-Information-from-the-IRS-8. If you still need an actual copy of a previously processed tax return, it will cost $57 for each tax year that you order. Complete Form 4506, Request for Copy of Tax Return, and mail it to the IRS address listed on the form for your area. Copies are generally available for the current year as well as the past six years. Please allow 60 days for actual copies of your return.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Sept 11, 2014 12:08:28 GMT -5
He's doing something sneaky I bet. And being really dumb, because if he really wanted to sneak he could have gotten the info through other means.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 12:10:56 GMT -5
When my last ex's first ex wife applied for disability they tried to get her to go after him for more support. I'm in Canada so it's not necessarily the same but I would be careful.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 11, 2014 12:14:41 GMT -5
When my last ex's first ex wife applied for disability they tried to get her to go after him for more support. I'm in Canada so it's not necessarily the same but I would be careful. In the US, disability has nothing to do with support. Your resources/accounts or your spouse's income have no bearing on what you'd receive, it is based solely on your own work record.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 12:19:03 GMT -5
What is the difference between SSI Disability & SSD? Not sure which he would be filing for.
I actually don't think he would qualify anyway. He has a messed up leg, but he is perfectly capable of doing work that doesn't require you to be on your feet for extended periods.
We haven't filed jointly since I think 2010, so unless he gets some old tax records he won't find my SS#.
Rant ahead... This isn't relevant to the issue, but just feel like complaining. He is totally incapable of asking for a favor without throwing in some snide comment & being an ass. I don't get how he doesn't understand why that would make me less willing to help. In the initial request he threw in there "Stuff you wouldn't let me come over and get", which is complete BS. He came over about a dozen times to get stuff, including with a moving truck once. Then he had to add "Let me guess, you threw it away".
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 11, 2014 12:21:05 GMT -5
My ex-aunt (uncle's ex-wife) is filing based on his record. They were legally married like 30 years (actually together like 15-don't ask ). She is apparently having a lot of mental health issues and cannot work so she is filing for disability (She was a SAHM, then a student, etc. I think she worked for ~3 years in her life). I thought she couldn't get it without 40 quarters too but apparently she can based on his record (my cousin has been looking it this and has gotten the info from her lawyer...). I don't know what program it is but apparently it does exist...
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 12:22:54 GMT -5
Is this ex legally your ex? Are you divorced? If so, there is no reason why he needs your SS#. Hmmm.....SSDI (nor any of the 2 other companies I received benefits from) never asked for any of my W-2 forms either. It sounds like he's applying for welfare benefits too. Yes, legally my ex in case that wasn't clear. We were just legally separated when he got injured. Not sure if that matters. He probably is applying for welfare too. That didn't occur to me. Funny because he claimed he got his old job back when he got to TX. LOL!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 11, 2014 12:23:46 GMT -5
What is the difference between SSI Disability & SSD? Not sure which he would be filing for. I actually don't think he would qualify anyway. He has a messed up leg, but he is perfectly capable of doing work that doesn't require you to be on your feet for extended periods. We haven't filed jointly since I think 2010, so unless he gets some old tax records he won't find my SS#. Rant ahead... This isn't relevant to the issue, but just feel like complaining. He is totally incapable of asking for a favor without throwing in some snide comment & being an ass. I don't get how he doesn't understand why that would make me less willing to help. In the initial request he threw in there "Stuff you wouldn't let me come over and get", which is complete BS. He came over about a dozen times to get stuff, including with a moving truck once. Then he had to add "Let me guess, you threw it away".The main difference between Social Security Disability (SSD, or SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is the fact that SSD is available to workers who have accumulated a sufficient number of work credits, while SSI disability benefits are available to low-income individuals who have either never worked or who haven't earned enough work credits to qualify for SSD. While many people don't distinguish between SSI (Supplemental Security Income) and SSDI (Social Security Disability Insurance), they are two completely different governmental programs. While both programs are overseen and managed by the Social Security Administration, and medical eligibility is determined in the same manner for both programs, there are distinct differences between the two. --------------------------- And as for the rant part: that's the man as he usually is, not the man you loved in the good moments. Remember that when he cries and says he misses you and the kids and the way things used to be. He knows you have buttons to push, and as long as he thinks he can, he will.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 11, 2014 12:24:55 GMT -5
What is the difference between SSI Disability & SSD? Not sure which he would be filing for. I actually don't think he would qualify anyway. He has a messed up leg, but he is perfectly capable of doing work that doesn't require you to be on your feet for extended periods. We haven't filed jointly since I think 2010, so unless he gets some old tax records he won't find my SS#. Rant ahead... This isn't relevant to the issue, but just feel like complaining. He is totally incapable of asking for a favor without throwing in some snide comment & being an ass. I don't get how he doesn't understand why that would make me less willing to help. In the initial request he threw in there "Stuff you wouldn't let me come over and get", which is complete BS. He came over about a dozen times to get stuff, including with a moving truck once. Then he had to add "Let me guess, you threw it away". SSI is from the state and is based on not having enough money. It has an income test and may be different in every state. SSI DOES NOT require the 40 quarters work. It isn't actually Social Security, it is "supplemental security income". SSD is based upon your work record. It requires 40 quarters of work and is not dependent on your assets. It can be confusing because both are administered by the SSA. This is because they have the experience and expertise in Disability. They are not the same program though and a lot of people (especially younger ones) say they are on "disability" when they are actually on SSI.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 11, 2014 12:28:50 GMT -5
Ok, he should have plenty of credits, so it should be SSD.
I do wonder if he was always like that with the little snide comments. I honestly don't know. I could see those would have probably worked to make me feel bad or guilty or whatever & successfully help him get what he wanted. So they may have always been there & I just am noticing them now that we are over & he has become a nutball.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Sept 11, 2014 12:41:09 GMT -5
Ok, he should have plenty of credits, so it should be SSD. I do wonder if he was always like that with the little snide comments. I honestly don't know. I could see those would have probably worked to make me feel bad or guilty or whatever & successfully help him get what he wanted. So they may have always been there & I just am noticing them now that we are over & he has become a nutball. Glad you are noticing I am guessing it was something he always did that you are just now seeing with the time/distance between you. Sounds like it's not a recent development for him.
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