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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 10:24:47 GMT -5
Do substitute teachers get guaranteed hours? Would it be a steady income? Do they get benefits such as health insurance?
Our newspaper had a help wanted ad for substitute teachers. I was wondering who would want a job like that if you don't know when you will have to work. I would want to know at least 24 hours in advance.
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Post by greeniis10 on Aug 28, 2014 10:35:06 GMT -5
My DH got his certification to be a substitute teacher when he retired, but that is exactly his issue with it (and why he's only done it a handful of times): you don't know until that morning if you are needed or not. Impossible to schedule other things. There are exceptions, such as covering for a teacher on maternity leave or medical leave which would mean a steady schedule, but then it's basically full-time.
And, at least here anyway, no benefits are included.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 10:40:07 GMT -5
You sometimes know ahead of time, like if a teacher is going to go on maternity leave or something, but usually it's the morning of that you get a call because somebody is sick. My first ex was on the sub list when he first got out of college. We both worked full time second shift at a factory, so it worked out ok, he could normally take any teaching openings and still make it to work by 3:30. For him, he took it to get his foot in the door and get experience. But he ended up getting a much more lucrative offer from the corporate world and never did go into teaching full time anyhow.
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Post by justme on Aug 28, 2014 10:43:02 GMT -5
When my mom was a sub most of her jobs she knew at least the night before. She had several teachers that liked her enough that they'd request her specifically for days off they needed and well in advance. She'd take a couple the morning of, but that was rare and only if she really liked the teacher and had nothing else to do. No health benefits though, it did count somehow to the county retirement. My mom only did it because when we were little she wanted a PT job that had her leaving/getting home at the same time as her kids and kept it up after we left the house because it was a PT job that let her have summers off when my dad would take his 8 weeks vacation and go up to Canada.
I know my high school had a permanent sub that was at the school every day and filled in for the last minute stuff and half days and day of emergencies. I think the main school my mom subbed for had one too. No idea if it had benefits or not.
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Post by flutterby on Aug 28, 2014 10:43:53 GMT -5
My sister did substitute teaching before she got a permanent position. It was almost always last minute, like early morning, but sometimes the night before. I will say, she got paid more being a sub, and also really could have worked every day if she wanted, because apparently they were short on subs. It allowed her to be pickier about what days/grades she wanted to sub. No benefits, though.
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Post by swasat on Aug 28, 2014 10:46:12 GMT -5
Do substitute teachers get guaranteed hours? Not here. Unless its FMLA coverage ot STD coverage a sub teacher is providing. Other wise, you may get notified the day you are needed.
Would it be a steady income? No. You only get paid for the days you are called.
Do they get benefits such as health insurance? No
Around here subsitute teacher jobs are popular among the SAH crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 10:51:39 GMT -5
There are no benefits here. The rate here is $75 per day so about $10 an hour.
The advantage is the flexibility. If you have something else to do that day (doctor's appt, etc.), you don't schedule yourself to work. Plus, your only real responsibility is supervision. You don't prepare, teach, or grade the day's lesson. At least, that's true at the secondary level. Ours expect to sit at a desk and show a movie or the kids do seatwork.
Getting to substitute is so competitive that our sub list has been closed for the last 4 or 5 years. You really can't get much work unless you make friends with the teachers and they call you for work. There is a computerized system (Aesop), but the teachers bypass it as much as possible.
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Post by Abby Normal on Aug 28, 2014 10:53:01 GMT -5
Some do it as a experience before they get a permanent job. I have a friend who retired from her district after 25 years of teaching. Now she subs and loves it. GIves her some extra income and has the flexibility to say no.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 10:54:10 GMT -5
My sister did substitute teaching before she got a permanent position. It was almost always last minute, like early morning, but sometimes the night before. I will say, she got paid more being a sub, and also really could have worked every day if she wanted, because apparently they were short on subs. It allowed her to be pickier about what days/grades she wanted to sub. No benefits, though. You said she got paid "more being a sub." More than what? A certified classroom teacher? That would suck.
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Post by flutterby on Aug 28, 2014 11:08:07 GMT -5
My sister did substitute teaching before she got a permanent position. It was almost always last minute, like early morning, but sometimes the night before. I will say, she got paid more being a sub, and also really could have worked every day if she wanted, because apparently they were short on subs. It allowed her to be pickier about what days/grades she wanted to sub. No benefits, though. You said she got paid "more being a sub." More than what? A certified classroom teacher? That would suck. Yes, she made more subbing than she did when she finally got a permanent position, at least to start. I guess because they weren't paying any benefits? And also maybe because they were so short on subs?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 28, 2014 11:09:47 GMT -5
I subbed for a few years when I was going to grad school. I treated it like being a "closer" on a baseball team. You never knew when or if you would be called. Never knew the situation you were going to face. You were just ready to step in. I also loved it when the kids tried to play "sink the sub". I had that "closer" attitude: it is either them or me and it certainly wasn't going to be me.
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Post by giramomma on Aug 28, 2014 11:11:09 GMT -5
Who would want a job like that?
One of my friends is a substitute para professional. She is 60ish and has a 11 year old adopted child with a few special needs. She's retired from all her full time, day job gigs. She likes to have a little extra cash on hand, without the grind of a daily job. She's also fairly involved with her child's activities, and travels fairly often to keep family ties to various step children and her brother.
My MIL was also a sub. She didn't "need" to work. Dh's family did just fine with FIL being a CPA. She wanted to work a little bit, to take a break from taking care of two kids as well as aging parents. If she didn't want to work she just wouldn't answer the phone.
I actually think subbing would be a good gig for DH, but in our area you need a teaching license to teach. If you want to be an aide, you can be a substitute aide without a a license.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 28, 2014 11:22:40 GMT -5
Nope. No guaranteed hours or health care. However, if they work too much, under the current contract, then the District would have to offer them health benefits when they get to a certain point.
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Post by teen persuasion on Aug 28, 2014 11:23:07 GMT -5
You said she got paid "more being a sub." More than what? A certified classroom teacher? That would suck. Yes, she made more subbing than she did when she finally got a permanent position, at least to start. I guess because they weren't paying any benefits? And also maybe because they were so short on subs? Our local district only pays $60 a day for subs, just minimum if they count it at 7.5 hrs. DH interviewed at a district 30+ miles away for a .2 position. The said he could pick up a sub duty/pay for the rest of the day if he wanted, at $85 a day. They implied that they could use him nearly every day, if he wanted. The district handbook was clear as mud, but seemed to have some benefits like access to HI. Not sure how much he would have to pay in, though.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 28, 2014 11:24:38 GMT -5
People are subs for a couple of reasons. Some are hoping to get experience in the district and land a full time job. For some, it is some extra income and they are perfectly happy doing that. But, being available on short notice is kind of the point. You don't know who is going to wake up sick and can't come to work , so if you are on the sub list you may be getting a pretty early morning call.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 28, 2014 11:35:20 GMT -5
My neighbor subs. From what she says, she doesn't want to work full-time with their 2 young girls (one of which has some psychological problems). I think she only works certain days of the week (since she needs daycare for one of the kids). She was offered a full time position this year but did not take it. Said she didn't want to work full time. Growing up there were several SAHM's from my church that subbed on a regular basis. Most of them had teaching degrees and quit when they had kids. One of them went back to teaching full time when her kids were in high school. It was a little weird having my "second mom" be my history teacher in junior high. I had a lot of friends in college that couldn't wait to get their 60 credit hours needed in this state to sub, so that the could go back to their old high schools and substitute teach during winter break and at the end of the school year. I don't know how well that actually worked out for any of them.
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Post by swamp on Aug 28, 2014 11:38:14 GMT -5
MOst people who sub here are newly graduated teachers hoping to make some connections in the school district to get a permanent job.
My brother did it right out of college. He was in demand because he was willing to go in with last minute notice and would take any classroom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 11:43:45 GMT -5
You said she got paid "more being a sub." More than what? A certified classroom teacher? That would suck. Yes, she made more subbing than she did when she finally got a permanent position, at least to start. I guess because they weren't paying any benefits? And also maybe because they were so short on subs? That is totally messed up. I can almost see it happening because a portion of your "per diem" is actually withheld to cover holidays, summer vacation, etc. I know everyone thinks teachers are paid in the summer even though they don't work. It is really money already earned but withheld. But you still have to be talking about long-term subs. Daily subs just aren't paid that much. By the way, subbing is a terrible way to try to get a permanent job around here. I am sure it has to do with walking into a difficult situation, but long-term subs hardly ever get hired full-time in my district.
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Post by flutterby on Aug 28, 2014 12:12:39 GMT -5
Yes, she made more subbing than she did when she finally got a permanent position, at least to start. I guess because they weren't paying any benefits? And also maybe because they were so short on subs? That is totally messed up. I can almost see it happening because a portion of your "per diem" is actually withheld to cover holidays, summer vacation, etc. I know everyone thinks teachers are paid in the summer even though they don't work. It is really money already earned but withheld. But you still have to be talking about long-term subs. Daily subs just aren't paid that much. By the way, subbing is a terrible way to try to get a permanent job around here. I am sure it has to do with walking into a difficult situation, but long-term subs hardly ever get hired full-time in my district. Well, this has been a good 8-10 years ago now. You're right, it is messed up. But I'm really guessing it's because she was subbing in a not-very-good district not far from a really good district, and all the subs wanted to go to the good one.
Funny enough (well not funny at all), but she did get her permanent position through a long term sub one. She was subbing for a teacher who was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. The poor woman ended up dying and they kept my sister on to replace her, since she'd been with the class a few months by that time.
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Post by justme on Aug 28, 2014 12:31:14 GMT -5
My mom frequently subbed for my classes. Being in gifted my middle school teams were filled mostly with the academic achievers and as such usually didn't have behavioral problems.
Once there was this one kid who didn't realize she was my mom (how he didn't know when EVERYONE else knew plus everyone says we look so alike). I walk into the class just before bell rings when she's in full shtick spelling her last name and everything to see if it's spelled just like "the girl who has the same last name" and caught on quick enough to keep it up. My mom had to tell the poor kid halfway through class she really was my mom.
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Post by skubikky on Aug 28, 2014 12:35:17 GMT -5
MOst people who sub here are newly graduated teachers hoping to make some connections in the school district to get a permanent job.
My brother did it right out of college. He was in demand because he was willing to go in with last minute notice and would take any classroom. Yes. In order to be considered for the sub list here, you have to have a degree in education. Most of the subs are seeking FT teaching positions.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 28, 2014 12:40:48 GMT -5
That's how I got my first full time position. Did a long term sub stint for a woman with a hysterectomy. She came in every Friday and we reviewed what she wanted for next week. One Friday she didnt show so I went home. Principal called me in on Monday, told me, and offered me a contract. You bet I signed. The joke was that's how you got a job in that school system and it wasnt a joke.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 28, 2014 17:05:24 GMT -5
DD has done quite a bit of subbing. The usual daily rate of pay is $ 100 per day here, and it can be fun, or holy hell. She's subbed in some rough schools and like it, but other districts she won't go near.
She lucked into a long-term sub job at a private religious school this last spring, after getting some strong recommendations from a previous principal, and has been hired for the full school year this year.
Someitmes, subbing, like any other job, and turn into better opportunities.
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Post by Peace77 on Aug 28, 2014 17:52:22 GMT -5
DH did some substitute work several years ago although he dies not have a teaching degree or certification. He was paid $95 per day in a HCOLA area.
The school where he currently works does not have enough subs.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 28, 2014 18:10:40 GMT -5
... The school where he currently works does not have enough subs. That can be the down side of subbing to get a full time teaching job. Some districts won't hire you full time if they think you will stay on as a sub.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 28, 2014 18:30:41 GMT -5
I subbed from about 2001 to 2005. I had health benefits from my retirement so didn't care that it didn't have healthcare benefits. I made $116 for a full day (7 am to 2pm) and half that for a half day. I was not guaranteed any number of hours but learned quickly that if I was willing to take anything I could work a lot (a lot of subs won't take band or PE).
After a year I figured that I only needed to work 10 days a month in order to supplement my pension. Also, by then some teachers requested me when they had advance notice (and there were some I refused to sub for). I also indicated willingness to work only at one school and because of that I'd get called first when they needed a sub.
it can be a good part time job, but you need stamina (the day goes fast), a strong bladder, and strategies. My favorite grade was 7th.
(I did have a teaching certificate). The school district did hire college graduates without a certificate, but paid them less.
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Post by resolution on Aug 28, 2014 22:14:26 GMT -5
My MIL is retired from teaching at the deaf and blind school. She will occasionally sub for long term absences but she won't do the "call in the morning" thing. They are short on subs that can sign and have all the appropriate special ed certifications, so she can pick and choose her assignments.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Aug 28, 2014 23:49:56 GMT -5
My entire county is short on subs. The majority of our subs are retired teachers. The typical rate is the base salary's daily rate.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 29, 2014 3:39:46 GMT -5
I did it for a couple of years when my kids were small. It was better paid and I only had to work eight days a month to cover the bills.....then I had the rest of the time for the kids. I also worked for teachers who were long term sick...and could write schemes and work unaided... so took the pressure off departments. Good thing that if you don't like it you can just walk away. You don't have to attend endless after school meetings......you just go home when the kids go. It brings in money and its an enjoyable day. Several Schools offered me permanent....but I decided to stay when the kids were old enough and a bit more independent Plus it was a really nice School.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 7:18:18 GMT -5
My entire county is short on subs. The majority of our subs are retired teachers. The typical rate is the base salary's daily rate. Wow! A teacher with zero experience gets $204 a day here (188 days times $204 and spread over 12 months). A sub without a teaching certificate gets $70; with a teaching certificate, $75; and retired teacher from our system, $80. We have no shortage. Like I said, our substitute list has been closed for a couple of years. Why do you suppose there is a shortage if you are paying daily subs that well? Is your daily rate for a certified teacher that much lower? At 7.5 hours a day, the $204 works out to about $27 an hour! I don't even earn that much since I still have to prep and grade on my own time. Do you ask your substitutes to actually teach? Our long-term subs are expected to, but not a daily sub. You are expected to leave seatwork of some sort that the sub can supervise.
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