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Post by swasat on Aug 21, 2014 13:35:44 GMT -5
People find it "offensive" if we discuss adoption, abortion or interracial marriages Wow....... But its ok to dicuss murders,rapes and other crimes?
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Aug 21, 2014 13:37:31 GMT -5
Threads wander all the time. Whatever.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 21, 2014 13:38:06 GMT -5
totes confused....
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Post by Firebird on Aug 21, 2014 13:39:05 GMT -5
"If nothing else, Jinger would be justified in disowning her family because of her name. I mean, seriously. Jinger. Jesus Christ. There are no damned children named Joan, but one named Jinger. These people are the worst."Yeah, what's wrong with Jezebel?
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Post by Blonde Granny on Aug 21, 2014 13:39:25 GMT -5
OK, whatever, knock yourself out. I will not lock this thread, wander as you will.
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Aug 21, 2014 13:42:53 GMT -5
"If nothing else, Jinger would be justified in disowning her family because of her name. I mean, seriously. Jinger. Jesus Christ. There are no damned children named Joan, but one named Jinger. These people are the worst."Yeah, what's wrong with Jezebel? OK, I am at work. You just made me snort out loud, in a very unladylike way.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2014 13:43:52 GMT -5
I heard about Bill Gothard when we were homeschooling. He has some very hateful views regarding adoption. How could anyone in their right mind be against ADOPTION?
Even the worst right wing nutcases don't go that far into Crazyland. You should look closely at UNICEF's stance on international adoption. I will never give them a dime of my money. I'm lazy. what is it?
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2014 13:45:58 GMT -5
I just googled it and got a huge page of tiny print, which started with evasive language. So, I didn't read more than 2 sentences. I'm with swamp.
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Post by midjd on Aug 21, 2014 13:46:56 GMT -5
"If nothing else, Jinger would be justified in disowning her family because of her name. I mean, seriously. Jinger. Jesus Christ. There are no damned children named Joan, but one named Jinger. These people are the worst."Yeah, what's wrong with Jezebel? I think they should have gone the George Foreman route. Jim Bob Jr Jim Bob II Jim Bob III Jamie Bob Jilly Bob Jenny Bob I could come up with another 19 names, easy.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2014 13:48:09 GMT -5
Does Mrs. Duggar ever get mad and yell the names of all the kids until she hits the right one?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 13:48:17 GMT -5
"If nothing else, Jinger would be justified in disowning her family because of her name. I mean, seriously. Jinger. Jesus Christ. There are no damned children named Joan, but one named Jinger. These people are the worst."Yeah, what's wrong with Jezebel? I think they should have gone the George Foreman route. Jim Bob Jr Jim Bob II Jim Bob III Jamie Bob Jilly Bob Jenny Bob I could come up with another 19 names, easy. I don't know why, but I'm laughing my ass off at Jilly Bob. I might start calling one of mine that.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2014 13:50:04 GMT -5
Does Mrs. Duggar ever get mad and yell the names of all the kids until she hits the right one? My daughter asked me "How can she remember all of their names?" And I reminder her that she could name 30 or 40 of her schoolmates. And she said "The other day you called the cat my name."
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Post by Firebird on Aug 21, 2014 13:56:16 GMT -5
My daughter asked me "How can she remember all of their names?" And I reminder her that she could name 30 or 40 of her schoolmates. And she said "The other day you called the cat my name."
DH does this (calls Babybird the cat's name). While our nieces were over he was constantly interchanging Babyniece's name with Babybird's (and it's not like they're remotely similar names).
I was like "You have ONE (1) kid! How can you not remember her name?!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 13:58:25 GMT -5
My cat's name and youngest son's name's are Leroy and Eli. Too much E sound. I swap them all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 14:03:01 GMT -5
I say good for them. They aren't the first young couple to have a honeymoon baby and won't the last. She's 23 and he's 25, plenty old enough to be aware of the decision and make it responsibly. I agree- DS and DDIL were married in April, 2013 and in April 2014 they had a baby girl. They're thrilled and they're still cuddling up to each other. They WANTED a baby this early. While I'm pretty convinced they abstained from sex till they were married, they were a little older (both close to 30) and had lived on their own for awhile. I think I would have been more concerned if one or both of them had never had experience living away from their families.
In a way, Jill Duggar and her husband are a throwback to the values of the 1940s and 1950s. Marry young, live with your parents till marriage, have kids right away. That model wasn't for me, but plenty of happy marriages (including my parents') started that way. Heck, my mother told me she cried when she got her period the month after the wedding. She didn't have another till after I was born.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 21, 2014 14:45:53 GMT -5
I say good for them. They aren't the first young couple to have a honeymoon baby and won't the last. She's 23 and he's 25, plenty old enough to be aware of the decision and make it responsibly. I agree- DS and DDIL were married in April, 2013 and in April 2014 they had a baby girl. They're thrilled and they're still cuddling up to each other. They WANTED a baby this early. While I'm pretty convinced they abstained from sex till they were married, they were a little older (both close to 30) and had lived on their own for awhile. I think I would have been more concerned if one or both of them had never had experience living away from their families.
In a way, Jill Duggar and her husband are a throwback to the values of the 1940s and 1950s. Marry young, live with your parents till marriage, have kids right away. That model wasn't for me, but plenty of happy marriages (including my parents') started that way. Heck, my mother told me she cried when she got her period the month after the wedding. She didn't have another till after I was born.
The two of them seem very happy together. I hope things work out for them. I really don't have a problem with the Duggars. They don't drink, smoke, cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, sit around idle, waste money or cost me anything. Money-wise, they seem to be doing OK financially. They don't carry debt, don't use credit cards, they buy second-hand, repair and reuse and grow a garden. They take their personal relationships seriously (the whole point of "courting" versus "dating" is to find out if your intended is long-term relationship-ready). The kids are neatly dressed, seem pretty polite, play outside a lot and appear to be intelligent and educated. Would I care to live as they do? Nope. But I give them points for doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 15:07:42 GMT -5
"UNICEF is basically against international adoption because they feel that children should remain and be raised in their own birthcountry/culture/race, etc. I believe they were very active in Guatamela for a period of time trying to stop international adoptions from there.. because apparently it's better for an orphan to live in squalor in an orphanage than to be adopted and raised in a family of their own. At least they were for a period of time... they may have since changed their stance on it. "
That sounds so stupid. All countries have all kinds of races/ethnicities/cultures. Who is to say their "own" culture is so pure anymore anyway. Or that any other culture would be worse for the kid.
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Aug 21, 2014 18:17:40 GMT -5
I agree- DS and DDIL were married in April, 2013 and in April 2014 they had a baby girl. They're thrilled and they're still cuddling up to each other. They WANTED a baby this early. While I'm pretty convinced they abstained from sex till they were married, they were a little older (both close to 30) and had lived on their own for awhile. I think I would have been more concerned if one or both of them had never had experience living away from their families.
In a way, Jill Duggar and her husband are a throwback to the values of the 1940s and 1950s. Marry young, live with your parents till marriage, have kids right away. That model wasn't for me, but plenty of happy marriages (including my parents') started that way. Heck, my mother told me she cried when she got her period the month after the wedding. She didn't have another till after I was born.
The two of them seem very happy together. I hope things work out for them. I really don't have a problem with the Duggars. They don't drink, smoke, cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, sit around idle, waste money or cost me anything. Money-wise, they seem to be doing OK financially. They don't carry debt, don't use credit cards, they buy second-hand, repair and reuse and grow a garden. They take their personal relationships seriously (the whole point of "courting" versus "dating" is to find out if your intended is long-term relationship-ready). The kids are neatly dressed, seem pretty polite, play outside a lot and appear to be intelligent and educated. Would I care to live as they do? Nope. But I give them points for doing it. I find the religious movement (Quiverfull) to which they belong completely revolting. I cherish my Constitutional right to enjoy the separation of church and state and have no interest in losing that right. However, I know very little about the Duggars, so really have no opinion about them personally.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2014 19:00:54 GMT -5
The two of them seem very happy together. I hope things work out for them. I really don't have a problem with the Duggars. T hey don't drink, smoke, cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, sit around idle, waste money or cost me anything. Money-wise, they seem to be doing OK financially. They don't carry debt, don't use credit cards, they buy second-hand, repair and reuse and grow a garden. They take their personal relationships seriously (the whole point of "courting" versus "dating" is to find out if your intended is long-term relationship-ready). The kids are neatly dressed, seem pretty polite, play outside a lot and appear to be intelligent and educated. Would I care to live as they do? Nope. But I give them points for doing it. Those are all my favorite things.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 21, 2014 19:21:45 GMT -5
So if I understand this correctly I should have dumped my kids at the airport the moment we left our home country? Damn, why oh why are they always decades late in telling me those (escape) rules? Even though I had generally good kids there definitely were days during which I would not have hesitated to send them "home"
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 21, 2014 19:37:22 GMT -5
This is in no way intentioned to hurt anyone here dealing with fertility issues, but I am honestly interested in what would happen if one of the Duggars (or anyone living their lifestyle) had fertility issues and couldn't have kids? Would they be shunned by the religion? Or is it just kept quiet? Not shunned. They may see infertility as God's judgement on them for some reason. I had someone try to tell me that's why we lost Aubree - they were lucky I didn't punch them in the throat. But going through ART isn't always looked favorably upon in these groups either since it's considered messing with God's will. I think Jana was dating someone and then it didn't work out? She's been pretty quiet the past couple of seasons. So has the 2nd oldest boy (they are twins). Maybe they just wanted out of the circus. Omfg, I would have seriously hurt someone that said something like that to me! You showed way more restraint than I could have
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 21, 2014 19:41:18 GMT -5
We're getting somewhat off the topic here, and the attacks on others needs to end. If it doesn't I'm going to lock my own thread. In fact, I'm likely to lock it anyway, this is far more than I bargained for. What did I miss? I don't see anyone attacking anyone?
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 21, 2014 20:26:32 GMT -5
I agree- DS and DDIL were married in April, 2013 and in April 2014 they had a baby girl. They're thrilled and they're still cuddling up to each other. They WANTED a baby this early. While I'm pretty convinced they abstained from sex till they were married, they were a little older (both close to 30) and had lived on their own for awhile. I think I would have been more concerned if one or both of them had never had experience living away from their families.
In a way, Jill Duggar and her husband are a throwback to the values of the 1940s and 1950s. Marry young, live with your parents till marriage, have kids right away. That model wasn't for me, but plenty of happy marriages (including my parents') started that way. Heck, my mother told me she cried when she got her period the month after the wedding. She didn't have another till after I was born.
The two of them seem very happy together. I hope things work out for them. I really don't have a problem with the Duggars. They don't drink, smoke, cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, sit around idle, waste money or cost me anything. Money-wise, they seem to be doing OK financially. They don't carry debt, don't use credit cards, they buy second-hand, repair and reuse and grow a garden. They take their personal relationships seriously (the whole point of "courting" versus "dating" is to find out if your intended is long-term relationship-ready). The kids are neatly dressed, seem pretty polite, play outside a lot and appear to be intelligent and educated. Would I care to live as they do? Nope. But I give them points for doing it. I don't mind their family - I think they are raising kids who will be polite, constructive members of society. Obviously I have some serious issues with certain groups that they are very closely affiliated with due to past experiences. But their association with Gothard would explain why they keep dodging the adoption question. If they share his beliefs then they may lose a lot of their TV show followers (aka - lose the $$$).
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 22, 2014 8:53:40 GMT -5
The two of them seem very happy together. I hope things work out for them. I really don't have a problem with the Duggars. T hey don't drink, smoke, cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, sit around idle, waste money or cost me anything. Money-wise, they seem to be doing OK financially. They don't carry debt, don't use credit cards, they buy second-hand, repair and reuse and grow a garden. They take their personal relationships seriously (the whole point of "courting" versus "dating" is to find out if your intended is long-term relationship-ready). The kids are neatly dressed, seem pretty polite, play outside a lot and appear to be intelligent and educated. Would I care to live as they do? Nope. But I give them points for doing it. Those are all my favorite things. And you're so good at them, too. (I just saw this new emoticon. I had to use it.)
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 22, 2014 9:04:45 GMT -5
OMG - that is the greatest emoticon!! It must be new.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 22, 2014 9:46:45 GMT -5
They had to wait until Doxie was gone to add it, otherwise it would undoubtedly have crashed from overuse
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Post by milee on Aug 22, 2014 10:34:51 GMT -5
Hm. Those people who argue against adoption because of the risk that the adopted child will have all sorts of problems that s/he inherited from her loser birth parents are making a pretty bold assumption that somehow they personally don't have any bad genes to pass on. Unless the speaker is a Rhodes Scholar with perfect health. impeccable social skills and utterly lacking in addictions or flaws of any kind, why would they assume they're from better genetic stock and will somehow be guaranteed to produce a "better" child than the one they'd adopt? I mean, yes, it's kind of cool when your kids resemble you or you see a mannerism that reminds you of a relative, but if most of us look at it objectively we all have some unfortunate family genes that we'd rather not pass down. Our family has a pretty good strain of crazy going on, so it's a good thing to mix in some less-crazy stock every once in a while.
One of the guys my sister used to date was very opposed to adoption and kept talking about all the weird genes and problems that you might have in an adopted child. Meantime, his family tree included cancer, diabetes, laziness and (sorry, no PC way to say this) they weren't a particularly appealing group to boot. He had an uncle that was so creepy looking he looked like a child molester. So how exactly were those genes assumed to be better than the random genes you'd get in a adopted kid? I don't get it. But maybe people are just more comfy with the weird stuff that's familiar to them and think the weird stuff of other people is probably worse.
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Aug 22, 2014 10:48:29 GMT -5
Milee, it's not about genetic problems. It's about sins the birth parents may have committed, resulting in spiritual problems for the child. If the adoptive parents do not know what the sins are, they cannot confess them, and thus the child will continue to suffer the consequences of the birth parents' sins.
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Aug 22, 2014 10:51:08 GMT -5
I have to tell you guys, because of this thread, last night I watched the first 3 episodes of the Duggar's show on Netflix. Holy cow. My daughter watched it with me, we can't get over it.
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Post by swamp on Aug 22, 2014 10:51:50 GMT -5
Milee, it's not about genetic problems. It's about sins the birth parents may have committed, resulting in spiritual problems for the child. If the adoptive parents do not know what the sins are, they cannot confess them, and thus the child will continue to suffer the consequences of the birth parents' sins. So a big old blanket confession of "I'm sorry for whatever" doesn't work?
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