Racism on parade part 2- cops, thugs, looting, Obama,& more

[Green Eyed Lady]

You may be right.  What would you have done instead?

[Sam_2.0]

www.kctv5.com/story/26318280/man-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-near-ferguson

4 miles away and it happened again. This time, though, the guy was armed with a knife.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 19, 2014 13:29:00 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

You may be right.  What would you have done instead?

good leaders appeal to our bravery rather than our fear.  it is what makes the difference between FDR (nothing to fear but fear itself) and what lesser leaders like W do.  like this:

fox2now.com/2014/08/17/watch-capt-ron-johnsons-amazing-michael-brown-speech/

all you have to do is PRETEND you understand people, and they will work with you, generally speaking.  beating them over the head is never going to solve a damned thing.  there are more people than police.  that is always going to be the problem.  Afghanistan is a perfect illustration of the problem.  Russia was there for 8 years.  we have been there for 8 years.  the next bunch will be there for 8 years.  the Taliban will be there forever.  WHY?  because they actually do things for their community.  they come in and build hospitals and stuff.  we could learn a lot from that.

caring works.  beating the shit out of people only makes more trouble.

_END RANT_

[lynnerself]

I have heard/read that outside agitators have come in to incite more violence.

But I can't find a reputable source.

Does anyone know anything about this?

[The Captain]

Aug 19, 2014 14:50:30 GMT -5 lynnerself said:

I have heard/read that outside agitators have come in to incite more violence.

But I can't find a reputable source.

Does anyone know anything about this?

www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/0819/Ferguson-Who-are-the-outside-agitators-entering-the-fray

It's popping up on several newsfeeds.  The above is the most reliable source I can find.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Aug 19, 2014 14:44:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 19, 2014 13:29:00 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

You may be right.  What would you have done instead?

good leaders appeal to our bravery rather than our fear.  it is what makes the difference between FDR (nothing to fear but fear itself) and what lesser leaders like W do.  like this:

fox2now.com/2014/08/17/watch-capt-ron-johnsons-amazing-michael-brown-speech/

all you have to do is PRETEND you understand people, and they will work with you, generally speaking.  beating them over the head is never going to solve a damned thing.  there are more people than police.  that is always going to be the problem.  Afghanistan is a perfect illustration of the problem.  Russia was there for 8 years.  we have been there for 8 years.  the next bunch will be there for 8 years.  the Taliban will be there forever.  WHY?  because they actually do things for their community.  they come in and build hospitals and stuff.  we could learn a lot from that.

caring works.  beating the shit out of people only makes more trouble.

_END RANT_

So your answer would have been to go in there and hug them?   I'm sorry.  I disagree.   Those there causing the problems couldn't care one bit whether people understand them or not.  Not one bit.  They care about the opportunity to loot, destroy, rob, burn, steal and be thugs - basically unchecked.  Pretending to understand them would, at the very least, get you laughed at.  At worst?  Get you shot.  And while you are doing all this hugging and understanding, good people are losing their businesses, their livlihoods, their homes, the chance for their kids to go to school, their neighborhoods and their safety.  I'd be one angry business owner if my life went up in smoke while you were having a Kumbaya session over the megaphone.

I'm not discounting those people who are truly in pain and are feeling anger and frustration over the loss of this young man.  However, I don't think it is these good people who are causing the problems.  Those people probably would respond to and benefit from kindness and understanding.  Again, I'd bet those people aren't the ones causing the problems.

Nope.  Your way isn't better, IMO.  So until somebody comes up with one that is, I'll support the decisions made by people who are responsible for the safety of the community.   Those who are there and actually know what they are talking about,  I'll not second guess while sitting on my safe recliner inside my safe home in my safe neighborhood.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 19, 2014 15:30:33 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Aug 19, 2014 14:44:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

good leaders appeal to our bravery rather than our fear.  it is what makes the difference between FDR (nothing to fear but fear itself) and what lesser leaders like W do.  like this:

fox2now.com/2014/08/17/watch-capt-ron-johnsons-amazing-michael-brown-speech/

all you have to do is PRETEND you understand people, and they will work with you, generally speaking.  beating them over the head is never going to solve a damned thing.  there are more people than police.  that is always going to be the problem.  Afghanistan is a perfect illustration of the problem.  Russia was there for 8 years.  we have been there for 8 years.  the next bunch will be there for 8 years.  the Taliban will be there forever.  WHY?  because they actually do things for their community.  they come in and build hospitals and stuff.  we could learn a lot from that.

caring works.  beating the shit out of people only makes more trouble.

_END RANT_

So your answer would have been to go in there and hug them?  

NO

seriously, GEL- are you mocking me, or is that what you got from that?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 19, 2014 15:30:33 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Those there causing the problems couldn't care one bit whether people understand them or not.  Not one bit. 

i completely disagree.  there may be a small number of people who don't care.  those that loot should be arrested.

but are you aware that there are protesters actually trying to stop the looting?  and there would be a LOT MORE of that if the community saw law enforcement as their PARTNERS in protecting their neighborhoods rather than part of the problem.

i am sorry, but if you really think that i am suggesting that they all get naked and kiss, then you really weren't serious about entertaining my response.  i am suggesting that law enforcement needs to find leaders in that community (like the churches) and work WITH them to spread the idea that they are PART of that community, and that they want to work to solve the problem.  hopelessness is what leads to this- and the sense that it is "us -vs- them".  if you have an enemy that is distinct from you, then shooting and teargassing them (or, alternatively, looting) is fair game.  if you IDENTIFY with your adversary, and see them as an extension of yourself, it is much harder to do that.

edit: the problem, of course, is that most of law enforcement is NOT part of the community.  so, this is going to take some real effort.  and, like most hard things, they will probably resort to tear gas and billy clubs instead.  and of course, this is why this keeps happening.

[zibazinski]

Maybe our "leader," O, ought to show up and stop it? He can certainly talk, how about some action?

[ArchietheDragon]

Aug 19, 2014 15:48:12 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Maybe our "leader," O, ought to show up and stop it? He can certainly talk, how about some action?

Next black guy to steal anything from a convenience store get's a mouthful of lead shot. 

[Green Eyed Lady]

I don't mock people, dj.  If I misunderstood, I apologize.  I really didn't go on to read about the Taliban and Russia and that other stuff.  I read the part about pretending to understand them.  You would do that, I assume, by expressing empathy, understanding, sympathy - coupled with the promises of better things to come.  Basically....warm fuzzy hugs.  Is that not what you meant?

It appears that "understanding" was attempted with the placement of Capt. Johnson on the scene with his "I'm sorry I wear this uniform." stuff.  It doesn't appear to have worked.

Again, if you have other methods in mind - ones that bring immediate response - and I misunderstood them, I'm all ears (eyes).  Coming in and building hospitals might take a while and while that isn't a bad idea (improving the community), the problem is urgent and needs controlled now.

[zibazinski]

Who in their right mind would build anything in that area? Thanks to criminals taking over the streets, decent people are frightened to even live there, let alone work there.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 19, 2014 15:50:47 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I don't mock people, dj.  If I misunderstood, I apologize.  I really didn't go on to read about the Taliban and Russia and that other stuff.  I read the part about pretending to understand them.  You would do that, I assume, by expressing empathy, understanding, sympathy - coupled with the promises of better things to come.  Basically....warm fuzzy hugs.  Is that not what you meant?

i didn't say that would SOLVE the problem.  i said that is GOOD LEADERSHIP.  in other words- we have a situation here.  we have a near breakdown in social norms.  we have a war between police and civilians of all stripes.  bad leadership will escalate this into something far more hideous.  the generic solution is the same either way: only leadership divides the horror and tragedy from something far more agreeable.

It appears that "understanding" was attempted with the placement of Capt. Johnson on the scene with his "I'm sorry I wear this uniform." stuff.  It doesn't appear to have worked.

that is not true.  here is how the situation ACTUALLY is.  Johnson was in charge for about 1 day.  now, he is not there any more, and state troopers are out there, without any visible community leadership.  and YES, without that type of leadership, the situation is deteriorating.

Against, if you have other methods in mind - ones that bring immediate response - and I misunderstood them, I'm all ears (eyes).  Coming in and building hospitals might take a while and while that isn't a bad idea (improving the community), the problem is urgent and needs controlled now.

i already ran it down, i think.  but i have a real busy schedule for the remainder of my day here, so i have to go.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Aug 19, 2014 15:46:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 19, 2014 15:30:33 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Those there causing the problems couldn't care one bit whether people understand them or not.  Not one bit. 

i completely disagree.  there may be a small number of people who don't care.  those that loot should be arrested.

but are you aware that there are protesters actually trying to stop the looting?  and there would be a LOT MORE of that if the community saw law enforcement as their PARTNERS in protecting their neighborhoods rather than part of the problem.

i am sorry, but if you really think that i am suggesting that they all get naked and kiss, then you really weren't serious about entertaining my response.  i am suggesting that law enforcement needs to find leaders in that community (like the churches) and work WITH them to spread the idea that they are PART of that community, and that they want to work to solve the problem.  hopelessness is what leads to this- and the sense that it is "us -vs- them".  if you have an enemy that is distinct from you, then shooting and teargassing them (or, alternatively, looting) is fair game.  if you IDENTIFY with your adversary, and see them as an extension of yourself, it is much harder to do that.

edit: the problem, of course, is that most of law enforcement is NOT part of the community.  so, this is going to take some real effort.  and, like most hard things, they will probably resort to tear gas and billy clubs instead.  and of course, this is why this keeps happening.

Great alternative.  Now where are they?  Why does law enforcement have to go out and find them?   Unfortunately, it is "us vs them" when it comes to law enforcement vs crime. 

Capt Johnson has asked for peace while the investigation continues.  Rev Shapton has even asked that people assemble peacefully while the matter is invesigated.  Obama has guaranteed as much as he can that this WILL be invesigated and ask that people behave themselves in the mantime.  I can't think of more prominent leaders.  It doesn't appear to have worked.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 19, 2014 15:53:54 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Who in their right mind would build anything in that area? Thanks to criminals taking over the streets, decent people are frightened to even live there, let alone work there.

that wasn't my point.  my point was far more general.  my point is that if you don't understand that this is a rational response, you will never devise a rational strategy for stopping it.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 19, 2014 15:56:59 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Aug 19, 2014 15:46:49 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i completely disagree.  there may be a small number of people who don't care.  those that loot should be arrested.

but are you aware that there are protesters actually trying to stop the looting?  and there would be a LOT MORE of that if the community saw law enforcement as their PARTNERS in protecting their neighborhoods rather than part of the problem.

i am sorry, but if you really think that i am suggesting that they all get naked and kiss, then you really weren't serious about entertaining my response.  i am suggesting that law enforcement needs to find leaders in that community (like the churches) and work WITH them to spread the idea that they are PART of that community, and that they want to work to solve the problem.  hopelessness is what leads to this- and the sense that it is "us -vs- them".  if you have an enemy that is distinct from you, then shooting and teargassing them (or, alternatively, looting) is fair game.  if you IDENTIFY with your adversary, and see them as an extension of yourself, it is much harder to do that.

edit: the problem, of course, is that most of law enforcement is NOT part of the community.  so, this is going to take some real effort.  and, like most hard things, they will probably resort to tear gas and billy clubs instead.  and of course, this is why this keeps happening.

Great alternative.  Now where are they?  Why does law enforcement have to go out and find them?   Unfortunately, it is "us vs them" when it comes to law enforcement vs crime. 

they are there.  but so are reactionary forces.

Capt Johnson has asked for peace while the investigation continues.  Rev Shapton has even asked that people assemble peacefully while the matter is invesigated.  Obama has guaranteed as much as he can that this WILL be invesigated and ask that people behave themselves in the mantime.  I can't think of more prominent leaders.  It doesn't appear to have worked.

i have already explained why i think this is true.  again, i apologize, but i have to go.  thanks for a cordial conversation.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Aug 19, 2014 15:56:34 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 19, 2014 15:50:47 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I don't mock people, dj.  If I misunderstood, I apologize.  I really didn't go on to read about the Taliban and Russia and that other stuff.  I read the part about pretending to understand them.  You would do that, I assume, by expressing empathy, understanding, sympathy - coupled with the promises of better things to come.  Basically....warm fuzzy hugs.  Is that not what you meant?

i didn't say that would SOLVE the problem.  i said that is GOOD LEADERSHIP.  in other words- we have a situation here.  we have a near breakdown in social norms.  we have a war between police and civilians of all stripes.  bad leadership will escalate this into something far more hideous.  the generic solution is the same either way: only leadership divides the horror and tragedy from something far more agreeable.

It appears that "understanding" was attempted with the placement of Capt. Johnson on the scene with his "I'm sorry I wear this uniform." stuff.  It doesn't appear to have worked.

that is not true.  here is how the situation ACTUALLY is.  Johnson was in charge for about 1 day.  now, he is not there any more, and state troopers are out there, without any visible community leadership.  and YES, without that type of leadership, the situation is deteriorating.

Against, if you have other methods in mind - ones that bring immediate response - and I misunderstood them, I'm all ears (eyes).  Coming in and building hospitals might take a while and while that isn't a bad idea (improving the community), the problem is urgent and needs controlled now.

i already ran it down, i think.  but i have a real busy schedule for the remainder of my day here, so i have to go.

Ok.  Have a good day.  I truly was not mocking you. 

[djAdvocate]

i would add that there are people there on both sides that want a war.  ok?  i am not a wild eyed peacenik.  i see things as they are.  the trick is that ON ONE SIDE, there is a heirarchy of command.  if the cooler heads are thinking, this whole thing would be diffused in a day or two.  it already was diffused once.  it is heading the wrong way because of retrenchment and desperation on the part of law enforcement.

[Green Eyed Lady]

I hate seeing the pictures, also.  I hate seeing law enforcement there in riot gear.  I hate seeing our military in the streets  This is the United States of America.  This shouldn't be happening.  As to your point about both sides wanting war?  There is some truth to that.  People are sick and tired of being victimized by these kids of criminals.  So yes.  Pehaps in some dark recesses of the mind - they are wanting a war to put a final and permanent stop to it.  Not the right answer, of course, but it is a human reaction to suffering - just like the other side is having.  Neither is right.

I'm just so frustrated and angry that this type of thing happens here.   Guess it's not the first time and it probably won't be the last.

[Tennesseer]

Folks, black, white, purple, and green riot for any number of reasons.

What comes to mind of a recent event where the majority of rioters were white was the June 15, 2011 loss by the Vancouver Canooks to the Boston Bruins in the Stanley Cup final game played in Vancouver.  One hundred forty people were injured (4 were stabbed), nine officers were injured, 101 people were arrested and damage due to looting and destruction of property was estimated at $4.2 million.  All that rioting over a loss of a hockey game.  

While the rioting in Ferguson is unacceptable, in this case one of their youths was killed.  The same cannot be said in Vancouver. 

[Green Eyed Lady]

Damn...those people take their hockey seriously.

This kind of display is certainly not limited to those of a certain race.  No reason is acceptable.  But some are more understandable.  I honestly don't blame people for being angry and frustrated because I don't know for sure that they don't have every reason to be angry and frustrated.  I have strong issues with the avenue they chose to express it and I can't take issue with the methods being employed to stop it.

[Sam_2.0]

I am glad that they are getting outside review on this case. I hope and pray they get some answers soon, one way or another, and that appropriate justice is served for all involved. I guess I have too much of a Pollyanna view of our system though.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 19, 2014 16:25:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Folks, black, white, purple, and green riot for any number of reasons.

What comes to mind of a recent event where the majority of rioters were white was the June 15, 2011 loss by the Vancouver Canooks to the Boston Bruins in the Stanley Cup final game played in Vancouver.  One hundred forty people were injured (4 were stabbed), nine officers were injured, 101 people were arrested and damage due to looting and destruction of property was estimated at $4.2 million.  All that rioting over a loss of a hockey game.  

While the rioting in Ferguson is unacceptable, in this case one of their youths was killed.  The same cannot be said in Vancouver. 

Vancouver has serious social problems beyond hockey games. A game just happened to be the catalyst in this case, but few of the rioters were deeply invested in the game.

I'm about halfway between GEL and DJ on this issue. I don't buy DJ's viewpoint that most of the people showing up to these protest rallies have constructive intentions. The majority may not necessarily have destructive intentions, but their purpose is to agitate, defy authority, call attention to a perceived injustice, express rage, and (if the opportunity presents itself) exploit opportunities to "get back at" the oppressor.

At the same time, I suspect that only a small percentage of the total group is committing any serious crimes, and I agree with DJ that there's probably a fair cohort of people with good intentions and a pacifying--that is, stabilizing--presence.

What troubles me most is that citizens are rebelling against a symptom of a much deeper problem that (IMNSHO) cannot be fixed through policy or discourse or even regime change. The bond of trust between state and citizen has weakened and will continue to weaken over the coming years. What we're witnessing is just a small glimpse of what law and order will look like when the bond is finally severed. Anybody who thinks that white-majority or Hispanic-majority neighbourhoods can't be just as bad when times get tough is deluding themselves.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 19, 2014 13:29:00 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

You may be right.  What would you have done instead?

I'd personally default to nothing.  Ignoring Brown altogether- the larger issue for me is that the police rarely- and I mean rarely- need to present a "show of force".  This started when the police- with whom the community was already upset- were at a memorial service for the deceased.  It wasn't a 'protest'.  It turned into a protest when the cops showed up to 'keep order' which I think was provocative.

I'm not supporting everything the people have to say, or what they think- a lot of people are clearly off-base.  

Anyone remember these:



Apply the same principle.  What if there was a peaceful protest, demonstration, memorial, or gathering of citizens- and NO POLICE presence?  First of all, the people flocking to Ferguson to deliberate provoke confrontation with the police would be all by themselves.  Call the cops IF and WHEN there's trouble.  Otherwise, they don't need to be there.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Uh oh...


www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witnesses-have-corroborated-officer-darren-wilsons-version-of-ferguson-shooting/

Report: More Than a Dozen Witnesses Have Corroborated Officer Darren Wilson’s Version of Ferguson Shooting

More than a dozen witnesses have backed up the account of Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson in the controversial shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown, police sources reportedly told St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Christine Byers.

Byers also reported on Monday that Brown’s body was transported from the county medical examiner to a funeral home and then back to the medical examiner for three autopsies.

Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting #Ferguson

— Christine Byers (@christinedbyers) August 19, 2014



Protests continued on Monday night, more than a week after Brown was fatally shot by Wilson.

Though Wilson has not spoken publicly about his side of the story, an alleged friend of the officer, identified only as Josie, shared what she claimed to be Wilson’s recollection of events. CNN later confirmed that the woman’s account matches Wilson’s account of the shooting, according to their law enforcement sources.

The woman called into TheBlaze TV host Dana Loesch’s radio show on Friday, claiming that Brown “bum-rushed” Wilson moments after pushing him into his squad car, punching him in the face and trying to grab the cop’s gun.

“Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something,” the caller added. “The final shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two or three feet in front of the officer.”

[resolution]

There are so many examples of the police using excessive force against journalists at this point that it does make me wonder how normal people are being treated.

Here is a list of journalists that have been arrested, including some that were committing the offense of eating at McDonalds.  pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2014/08/documenting-arrests-journalists-ferguson

August 19, 2014
Lukas Hermsmeier of Bild: source | records request.
Ryan Devereaux of the Intercept: source | records request.
August 18, 2014
Ansgar Graw of Die Welt: source | records request.
Frank Hermann of Der Standard: source | records request.
Scott Olson of Getty Images: source | records request.
Kerry Picket of Breitbart News: source | records request.
August 17, 2014
Rob Crilly of The Telegraph: source | records request.
Robert Klemko of Sports Illustrated: source | records request.
Neil Munshi of the Financial Times: source | records request.
August 13, 2014
Antonio French, St. Louis alderman and citizen journalist: source | records request.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post: source | records request (by J. K. Trotter).
Ryan J. Reilly of The Huffington Post: source | records request (by J. K. Trotter).

Here is a link to where police are removing their badges to be harder to identfy. www.vox.com/2014/8/19/6043483/ferguson-police-impunity





Here is an article with a video clip about an officer threatening to bust the head of an Aljazeera journalist, who is not in an area affected by the curfew or with any protesters.

america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/8/18/police-to-al-jazeerajournalistinfergusonillbustyourass.html

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Yep- that pretty much continues to illustrate the conflicting issues.

[Value Buy]

Aug 19, 2014 12:29:17 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 19, 2014 12:25:46 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Interesting article and I agree with much in it.  There is NO excuse for not having a dashcam.  None.  I, too, feel like it's a conscious choice not to have one - a conscious attempt to hide certain actions.  That should be addressed and addressed quickly - not just in Ferguson but everywhere.

I don't agree with the exception to what the police are wearing.  They have to have some way of identifying one another.  The reasons are obvious.  If people object to them wearing camo and want them to wear yellow and pink polka dots, I guess that can be addressed, but with many budgets stretched to the max, I doubt any budget is going to allow for different clothing depending on the sensibilities of those who are rioting, looting, and burning.

Neither do I see anything wrong with the statement, "This is not up for discussion."  My parents used to say that to me all the time.  All it means is that you have given an order and you expect it to be obeyed NOW.  Nobody has time to sit around and listen to arguments of why this or that is not allowed. 

Instead of being incensed at the mililitarization of police - how about being incensed by the actions of people that make it necessary?

We're the parents.  They're the children.  They're not charged with a mission to occupy and control the streets.  Checkpoints, curfews-- this stuff is creepy, and I dare say- provocative. It's asking for it.

Be careful there, Paul, you might have Tenn and a few others "liking" your last few posts and you are going to lose your street cred here  

That said, why are the demonstrations only at night after dark?

When you see the daylight reporting the reporters cannot find very many protestors. Yes, there are a few out there, and largely ignored by the press because "nothing is happening".

One reporter said everyone's "at work", and yet one major complaint is they do not have jobs and unemployment rates are 20% in the black community.

After dark, the crowds come out and "demonstrate".

Why?

The sit-ins in the south and University campuses in the 60's and 70's mainly occurred in the daylight hours garnering plenty of cameras and attention and got there points across to America, making a difference for the country.

When the inner cities burned after Watts, it was always at night in the dark, and many of these communities have not regained their past vibrance to this day because of it.

Doing it at midnight when half of America is already asleep seems to miss the mark.

[Value Buy]

Aug 19, 2014 14:44:35 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 19, 2014 13:29:00 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

You may be right.  What would you have done instead?

good leaders appeal to our bravery rather than our fear.  it is what makes the difference between FDR (nothing to fear but fear itself) and what lesser leaders like W do.  like this:

fox2now.com/2014/08/17/watch-capt-ron-johnsons-amazing-michael-brown-speech/

all you have to do is PRETEND you understand people, and they will work with you, generally speaking.  beating them over the head is never going to solve a damned thing.  there are more people than police.  that is always going to be the problem.  Afghanistan is a perfect illustration of the problem.  Russia was there for 8 years.  we have been there for 8 years.  the next bunch will be there for 8 years.  the Taliban will be there forever.  WHY?  because they actually do things for their community.  they come in and build hospitals and stuff.  we could learn a lot from that.

caring works.  beating the shit out of people only makes more trouble.

_END RANT_

The black officer who was brought in to help the situation spent one night on the line talking and working with the demonstrators. It was reported the demonstrators like him, accepted him, and said it helped the situation.

It lasted til the next night.

Them he had enough of the antics. 

[Value Buy]

Aug 19, 2014 17:21:39 GMT -5 resolution said:

There are so many examples of the police using excessive force against journalists at this point that it does make me wonder how normal people are being treated.

Here is a list of journalists that have been arrested, including some that were committing the offense of eating at McDonalds.  pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2014/08/documenting-arrests-journalists-ferguson

August 19, 2014
Lukas Hermsmeier of Bild: source | records request.
Ryan Devereaux of the Intercept: source | records request.
August 18, 2014
Ansgar Graw of Die Welt: source | records request.
Frank Hermann of Der Standard: source | records request.
Scott Olson of Getty Images: source | records request.
Kerry Picket of Breitbart News: source | records request.
August 17, 2014
Rob Crilly of The Telegraph: source | records request.
Robert Klemko of Sports Illustrated: source | records request.
Neil Munshi of the Financial Times: source | records request.
August 13, 2014
Antonio French, St. Louis alderman and citizen journalist: source | records request.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post: source | records request (by J. K. Trotter).
Ryan J. Reilly of The Huffington Post: source | records request (by J. K. Trotter).

Here is a link to where police are removing their badges to be harder to identfy. www.vox.com/2014/8/19/6043483/ferguson-police-impunity





Here is an article with a video clip about an officer threatening to bust the head of an Aljazeera journalist, who is not in an area affected by the curfew or with any protesters.

america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/8/18/police-to-al-jazeerajournalistinfergusonillbustyourass.html

While I agree not having their badges on is wrong, It is not like they are wearing masks and cannot be identified.

It is broad daylight and obvious they could be identified if necessary. I would also assume their names would be on the arrest report.