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Post by zibazinski on Aug 19, 2014 13:50:12 GMT -5
As a LL, I want my place rented, cared for, and rent paid on time. If my tenants have an issue with each other, as long as it doesn't harm me or my property and other tenants are not bitching, I don't want to hear it. Ask about renewing lease. I always let mine run out after a year. I have to give them 60 days to quit, they have to give me 30.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 14:03:10 GMT -5
Thanks, Zib. I guess my thought process behind telling the building manager about the name calling and 14+ month long behavior was the fact S is conducting herself in an unprofessional manner, which is anti what this building stands for. Building manager even mentioned how much pride the owner takes in how professional the building is. (Besides the fact my day shouldn't be interrupted with name calling or any other juvenile stunts.)
Yeah, my concern about approaching her to renew the lease is that it would bring the fact I no longer have one to her attention, she says no, and it would begin the "get Iggy the hell out of here" process.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 19, 2014 14:18:43 GMT -5
All true, and understandable. However, you went to public school right? You've worked as an adult? I'd say at least half the time the person "tattling" faces just as much repercussion as the person being an asshat in the first place.
The building manager knows the other person and socializes with them, and doesn't really know you. Guess which side they're more likely to believe in a she said/she said situation?
It's not fair, it's not something you should have to put up with, but that's life. I'd keep my head down and avoid escalation.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 19, 2014 14:21:06 GMT -5
I like the building you are in and what you've done there with your business. I doubt the LL forgot your lease is up. I think you should renew it to show her your commitment. I doubt her friendship with S would override a good business decision of keeping you there. Look at the walk-in traffic you get that S doesn't. Good visibility for the building.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 14:27:25 GMT -5
Dark, er, Sum Dum Gai, good points, and thank you for the reminder. Would you renew the lease or no? ken a.k.a OMK, thank you for the compliments. If we end up in court, I will prove this location has been superior for business.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 19, 2014 14:39:44 GMT -5
Probably not. I'd keep paying my monthly rent and let everything blow over, unless you think S is talking shit about you to the building manager behind your back. In that case you might want a lease in place, but you'd have to judge how likely you think it is that the building manager would actually boot you based on S dripping poison in their ear, versus listening to her bitch and promptly ignoring it.
Either way I wouldn't say anything to the building manager about S unless the situation escalates quite a bit and you take police action.
There's no law against being a bitch. You can't force somebody to be nice. In an ideal world you wouldn't have grown ups walking around that act like 14 year old girls, but the world isn't ideal, so you pretty much have to tune the morons out and try not to engage in their stupidity and drama.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 14:40:48 GMT -5
I thought the building manager and the owner were 2 different people. The building manager is S's friend, correct? If that is the case, I doubt she would have the guts to kick you out because she could be out of a job herself if the owner found out. If I misunderstood the situation, just ignore and carry on
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 14:50:33 GMT -5
Either way I wouldn't say anything to the building manager about S unless the situation escalates quite a bit and you take police action. Yeah, that's what I was doing up until last month when the verbal abuse started. When I brought it up to the building manager then, she said she was going to talk about it to the building owner, and resolution would most likely involve a letter and face to face conversation with S. After S spoke to building manager "for an hour" according to her, she did a complete 180, and her tune changed to "I just want peace, on a local, national and world level. I want to get to a place of healing." Um. This is business. And I absolutely agree with you: I have been (until last month's final straw), and will continue, to keep my head down. Heck, all I've wanted to do this entire time is sell effin' insurance.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 14:52:53 GMT -5
I thought the building manager and the owner were 2 different people. The building manager is S's friend, correct? If that is the case, I doubt she would have the guts to kick you out because she could be out of a job herself if the owner found out. If I misunderstood the situation, just ignore and carry on You are correct, bunny. Building manager and S are social friends, and on the same side politically. Building owner lives in NY state. I should also mention S and her little posse complained to the chamber board chair and president about me during the political campaign last year. So much so they made my life miserable and I resigned this past May. I am thinking this is S's idea: To continue the harassment here until I move out. Building manager offered me a sweet deal to move across the street. My response to that was S can move out since she is the one with the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 14:54:54 GMT -5
Well, the reason she offered you a deal is because if she kicked you out, she would have to explain that to the owner! What is wrong with people? She really sounds so childish.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 14:58:19 GMT -5
Well, the reason she offered you a deal is because if she kicked you out, she would have to explain that to the owner! What is wrong with people? She really sounds so childish. Hmmm... Hadn't thought of that! LOL! Yeah, and she said S said the same thing. S didn't want to move across the street, because she had already had an office there, and she wants to be near her DH (who has the office suite next to mine).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 15:02:44 GMT -5
You are not the one causing problems. S needs to grow up and be an adult about it. I am sure S tried to get you to kicked out but the manager said she can't just do that (this is not high school, this is business). That is why she offered her the deal then you. Do you have any mutual friends that can talk some sense into her? I cannot imagine this would be good for either business. Also, I second the idea about cameras and such. Then if you have enough evidence, you can get a restraining order or talk to the building manager and get her kicked out (you could bring up how the owner would react if he/she found out the building manager was allowing such a hostile environment).
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 19, 2014 15:04:02 GMT -5
This is why I never understood mixing business with politics. No matter how rational, or seemingly benign, your political positions are, you're guaranteed to piss off the nuts on the other side of the aisle. Never made sense to me to potentially agitate a large chunk of your potential customer base with your own personal political leanings. I guess you might pick up more business from customers who agree with you, but it seems more likely that you'd lose business among people who disagree with you, or think they disagree with you after the other side portrays your position as something that it's not.
Politics is too divisive. I don't see much upside to a company getting involved.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 15:07:02 GMT -5
You are not the one causing problems. S needs to grow up and be an adult about it. I am sure S tried to get you to kicked out but the manager said she can't just do that (this is not high school, this is business). That is why she offered her the deal then you. Do you have any mutual friends that can talk some sense into her? I cannot imagine this would be good for either business. Also, I second the idea about cameras and such. Then if you have enough evidence, you can get a restraining order or talk to the building manager and get her kicked out (you could bring up how the owner would react if he/she found out the building manager was allowing such a hostile environment). Good call. Thank you for the reminder. I just messaged a friend who offered to me his security system he's not using.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 15:13:48 GMT -5
This is why I never understood mixing business with politics. No matter how rational, or seemingly benign, your political positions are, you're guaranteed to piss off the nuts on the other side of the aisle. Never made sense to me to potentially agitate a large chunk of your potential customer base with your own personal political leanings. I guess you might pick up more business from customers who agree with you, but it seems more likely that you'd lose business among people who disagree with you, or think they disagree with you after the other side portrays your position as something that it's not. Politics is too divisive. I don't see much upside to a company getting involved. Oh, man ! The tax issue last year was a non-partisan. However, many on the left were in favor of the increase because of what the tax was going to be used for. We fiscal conservatives were opposed to the tax, but not the project itself. We're still not, in fact, but lets build it a different way. And honestly, my involvement did not hurt business-I exchanged words with two clients, which I still feel bad about, but they did not leave my agency. I've since gained several clients I was involved with during the campaign. But, I'd rather gain clients through my involvement with the ATV club, etc. (Someone mentioned to me after our hugely successful campaign win I should run for commissioner in 10 years or so. Um, no to the hell no!!!)
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 19, 2014 15:52:21 GMT -5
Yup, I have a property manager and if I found out she was doing that shit behind my back and cost me a tenant, her ass would be so fired. I second the camera thing and taping her comments. If it continues, mail it to building owner along with letter from your attorney saying you have already discussed this with pm and it hasn't resolved itself.
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Post by Abby Normal on Aug 19, 2014 15:53:05 GMT -5
See I would be a little more passive aggressive. I would be just as sweet as I could be- all the time. Install the security camera and if you catch her putting phone books in front of your door. I would gather them up and take them into her office and loudly announce " You seemed to have misplaced these. I brought them back for you". I would be nothing but nice to everyone around, so that if she is complaining, she looks like the psycho.
And if anyone brings up the ballot measure- I would say exactly what you said above. That you actually like the cause, but couldn't support it the way it was structured.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 16:04:53 GMT -5
Abby Normal, LOL! You sound like my southern friend re: the phone books. She suggested walking suite to suite, innocently asking who the phone books belonged to. In the interest of them not getting a reaction out of me, all I did was scoop them up and pile them onto the community kitchen counter. The French engineer from down the hall asked: What are those? My response was: IDK, but they're not mine. I've been doing the sweet thing this entire time. I brought DH's homegrown peaches in the day after the election, I bring in baked goods at Christmas, etc. I smile and exchange pleasantries in the hallway.... And, our opposition knows we aren't/weren't against the project, just the sales tax increase they wanted to build it with. We just had a tax increase the prior year for something else. That is why I became so passionately opposed to it. Building manager said S called me the name that day because someone had created a fake Facebook account in her name and she automatically assumed it was me. I know.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 19, 2014 16:09:02 GMT -5
I'm sure you aren't the only person she has pissed off. With behavior like that....
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Post by Abby Normal on Aug 19, 2014 16:13:16 GMT -5
Building manager said S called me the name that day because someone had created a fake Facebook account in her name and she automatically assumed it was me. I know. See then I think I'd take the high road and go into her office and say " Building Manager mentioned you were having some issues and you thought it was me. Rest assured I would never stoop to something so juvenile. I want you to know that we may have been on opposite sides of how to do the project, but that is the nature of politics. I have no ill will for you being on the opposing side and I would hope that you wouldn't either. It would be disappointing for adults not to behave like them. I do hope you discover who made your fake facebook page. Here I made you a pie."
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 16:35:49 GMT -5
Building manager said S called me the name that day because someone had created a fake Facebook account in her name and she automatically assumed it was me. I know. See then I think I'd take the high road and go into her office and say " Building Manager mentioned you were having some issues and you thought it was me. Rest assured I would never stoop to something so juvenile. I want you to know that we may have been on opposite sides of how to do the project, but that is the nature of politics. I have no ill will for you being on the opposing side and I would hope that you wouldn't either. It would be disappointing for adults not to behave like them. I do hope you discover who made your fake facebook page. Here I made you a pie." Agreed. I learned that is why she called me a bitch several weeks later. (ETA, it was building manager who told me that's why she called me a bitch. My response was I nor anyone on my team would do something so slanderous, that I had been a victim of Facebook attacks during the campaign, and I was with my mom who was having surgery the day the account popped up.) I'll give you some back story about my attempts at adult conversations with her: When the campaign first began, and we realized we were on opposing sides, one of her buddies came in to my office with a spreadsheet from one of their other projects which used $2.1 million in city tax revenue. I heard S say to her friend, "Go get her!" before the friend entered my office. I stepped out of my office and addressed S in the hallway: "You know, S, we are on opposite sides of this issue, and that's okay. After this one, it's going to be something different." Granted, she later apologized and wanted to sit down and "talk". She quickly realized she wasn't going to change my mind. Fast forward to the ladies bathroom line in August, 2013, the evening of the election forum. I cracked a joke, she just stood there. I said, "Oh, so you're not talking to me now?" and exited the bathroom. That is the last time she and I exchanged words. I tried smiling at her in the hallway here in the office building. Nothing. I gave up. This woman is absolutely not capable of moving on from the election situation. She is a child stuck in a 40-something year old's body. They lost. Can you imagine if they had won? The amount of petty, smearing it in our face? Nope. On the flip side, all we did was post election numbers on our FB page, and went out for a cocktail. But ya' know? I wouldn't change a thing, and am ready to fight for our rights if necessary all over again.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 19, 2014 17:05:25 GMT -5
Yeah, my concern about approaching her to renew the lease is that it would bring the fact I no longer have one to her attention, she says no, and it would begin the "get Iggy the hell out of here" process. I find it weird that the landlord wouldn't want to renew the year long lease... because it puts them at a disadvantage: 1.) you could just give notice that you were leaving the space with no 'repercussions' - ie your not breaking your lease, no advance warning. The landlord could suddenly go from getting rent to having an empty rental. 2.) if the landlord doesn't ever update the month to month he can't raise your rent. 3.) With no yearly "recon" of the property you could be destroying your space and the landlord might never know about the damage OR without the yearly "recon" the landlord has no idea of how much is wear and tear and how much is actual abuse - so when you do leave they may feel like you need to pay big bucks to correct all the percieved 'damages'. That yearly 'review' and re-agreement is for everyone's benefit.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 19, 2014 17:30:30 GMT -5
Sure, if by everyone you mean the landlord. Without a lease Iggy is free to move her business to a different location with only 30 days notice if business conditions change and make that advantageous for her. The landlord is less likely to try throwing a CPI adjustment, or some other rental hike into the deal. The landlord won't walk through her premises looking for minor issues (nail holes in walls, and whatnot) that 'need to be fixed' at Iggy's expense. Landlords like long term leases because they're better for the landlords bottom line. Tenants like short team leases, and month to month is as short as you can get, because it offers them the most flexibility.
Why screw up a good thing? Just keep paying the rent, and deal with the 40 something going on 14 year old separately.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 17:52:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Tiny and Shaun, I appreciate your feedback, along with everyone else. This thread really has helped me look at many viewpoints. I have been sitting here for over a year now thinking WTF?? when it comes to these people. The fact S actually lost control if her mouth last month proves I wasn't dreaming up all the other tweaky behavior. S's DH came into my office when all this first started (he and I have a lot in common), without her knowing, and expressed to me how much of a liberal she was raised as (HIS words, not mine), that he pays all of her business expenses, etc. He also asked me why I moved in here. I told him I had no idea about the tax increase issue at the time, but even if I had, I would have still moved in; this is business. Wow. I've never posted as much on PB as I have today.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 19, 2014 18:27:23 GMT -5
What I like about no lease is that with a lease, if my tenant is being an asshole, they have more rights than if they don't have a lease.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 18:36:28 GMT -5
What I like about no lease is that with a lease, if my tenant is being an asshole, they have more rights than if they don't have a lease. The fact there are several different viewpoints on the lease/no lease is fascinating to me, and really helpful. Here I thought I was the only one to be screwed, but, in turn, there are plus sides to me not having the lease. The lawyer said in my state, leases are very good at protecting the owner. But, this thread has helped me realize there may be some advantages of me not having one.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 19, 2014 18:57:32 GMT -5
I'd just lie low and pay the rent on time, which of course you're doing, and let sleeping dogs lie. They may just want good commercial tenants, (or general tenants, as Zib stated. It wouldn't hurt to send the management company a nice plant for their office right now, a turkey or some other gift at Thanksgiving, and a big poinsettia for Christmas. Being nice to people never hurts.
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Post by Iggy aka IG on Aug 19, 2014 19:02:31 GMT -5
Excellent idea, Nazgul Girl! Unfortunately I do not have the building owner's address, but I do have the building manager's PO Box (her physical location is now two hours away and they do not have an office here). I include a sticky note with a relevant message (Happy Mother's Day!, etc.) and a happy face with each month's rent check. Not sure if she celebrates Christmas, but I do like the gift card idea for the holiday season.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 19, 2014 19:40:20 GMT -5
Excellent idea, Nazgul Girl! Unfortunately I do not have the building owner's address, but I do have the building manager's PO Box (her physical location is now two hours away and they do not have an office here). I include a sticky note with a relevant message (Happy Mother's Day!, etc.) and a happy face with each month's rent check. Not sure if she celebrates Christmas, but I do like the gift card idea for the holiday season. Cool ! You can possibly look up the building owner's physical address through the tax records, or at least, the address of the LLC that's probably holding it. Good luck with all of this crappola.
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Post by cronewitch on Aug 19, 2014 22:37:40 GMT -5
Can you flirt with her husband just because. Maybe take him some pastries for being a good neighbor tenant just to irk her.
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