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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 5, 2014 14:11:00 GMT -5
MJ - I remember reading a blog about one lady's birth experience - she delivered her own baby in her bathtub in the pre-dawn hours and wrote about how beautiful and magical it was watching the sunrise with her new babe. And then she described the peaceful scene of her husband first waking up to find them and then her other kids waking up and coming to check and everyone blissfully meeting this new little life. All I could think was that she now had to clean up her bathtub
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Post by jeep108 on Aug 5, 2014 14:11:54 GMT -5
can someone please tell me what a "magical birth experience" isFairy dust rains down from the ceiling and unicorns fart rainbows as you serenely lie back in a meadow of flowers while the baby gracefully exists the womb with no trace of gore/mess. Then all your loved ones crowd around you and bask in the awesome glory that is your womanhood/vagina.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 5, 2014 14:12:58 GMT -5
I'm going to regret this but what on earth is Shakeology? . Overpriced protein shake meal replacement system. Which I think is totally subsidized by both Vitamix and Ninja......
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 14:14:09 GMT -5
Oh and that stupid insipid song from the Ortho Tri-cyclin Lo commercial plays in the background
There she goes. .. there she goes again. .
My birth experience became "magical" when DH changed the channel after The View came on. I can think of nothing more hellish than giving birth with those bitches cackling in the background.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 5, 2014 14:14:09 GMT -5
MJ - I remember reading a blog about one lady's birth experience - she delivered her own baby in her bathtub in the pre-dawn hours and wrote about how beautiful and magical it was watching the sunrise with her new babe. And then she described the peaceful scene of her husband first waking up to find them and then her other kids waking up and coming to check and everyone blissfully meeting this new little life. All I could think was that she now had to clean up her bathtub Dried protein/blood is a bitch to get off ceramic tubs too....so she had to scrub quite a bit.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 5, 2014 14:14:13 GMT -5
It's only the most nutritionaly complete product on the market, DQ. And only $150/month for what is essentially a protein shake + multivitamin. ETA - swamp is much faster than I am. Must mean she's a better parent. Guaranteed to shave pounds off. Unless you are my SIL.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 5, 2014 14:14:22 GMT -5
MJ - I remember reading a blog about one lady's birth experience - she delivered her own baby in her bathtub in the pre-dawn hours and wrote about how beautiful and magical it was watching the sunrise with her new babe. And then she described the peaceful scene of her husband first waking up to find them and then her other kids waking up and coming to check and everyone blissfully meeting this new little life. and then she woke up from her wicked awesome shroom trip.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:19:09 GMT -5
a magical birth experience is getting to have your baby your way....not having to follow a bunch of hospital rules and regulations that are only in place to make things easier for the doctors/nurses, who should be there to make things easier/more enjoyable for you.
also all of you claiming to be non-judgmental are pretty judgmental - granola moms, ridiculing people who make a birth plan or who don't want an epidural in the parking lot, giving birth in a tub (it's not like the woman asked you to come clean it).
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 5, 2014 14:21:22 GMT -5
a magical birth experience is getting to have your baby your way....not having to follow a bunch of hospital rules and regulations that are only in place to make things easier for the doctors/nurses, who should be there to make things easier/more enjoyable for you. also all of you claiming to be non-judgmental are pretty judgmental - granola moms, ridiculing people who make a birth plan or who don't want an epidural in the parking lot, giving birth in a tub (it's not like the woman asked you to come clean it). I don't think anyone was claiming to be nonjudgemental, so please - feel free to join us in.... THE JUDGEMENT ZONE!!!!!
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Post by cranberry49 on Aug 5, 2014 14:33:29 GMT -5
But it feels like there is so much pressure to give birth the "right" way and if you have a rough go of it that means something is "wrong" with you.
I got stuck in this one too, I'm ashamed to admit. Oh sure, I SAID my birth plan was "go to hospital / come home with baby / rest is details" but in reality, I had a vision of how it would go and it was a huge crash when it all went to hell. I think that reading about my acquaintance's multiple magical birth experiences warped my brain can someone please tell me what a "magical birth experience" is? I'll be darned if I know! I've had five kids and almost died with each one! My first I was in labor for 18 hours ...hard labor! I was to the point of convulsing. Why I wasn't given a c-section is a mystery to me..unless it was just because of the time era. All of my kids took no sooner than 9 hours of hard labor. My last took 11 hours and that was with help from the doctor to enforce dilation!
Everyone can keep the 'magical 'experience all they want too! I would of paid ANYONE to have given me a c-section if I could have at the time!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 5, 2014 14:33:48 GMT -5
a magical birth experience is getting to have your baby your way....not having to follow a bunch of hospital rules and regulations that are only in place to make things easier for the doctors/nurses, who should be there to make things easier/more enjoyable for you.
Not quite. Many of the rules and regulations are in place, in the rare case of an emergency that both the mother and child wind up alive.
My sister probably had the easiest, unmedicated births for her first 2 kids. In fact, they were so easy that she was considering having the third at home. Her husband dug in his heels. Turned out with the third, she had a condition called placenta accreta and damn near bled to death. I don't think I have EVER seen that much blood (I was there for the birth).
It was a REALLY good thing that she had all those 'rules and regulations', or I'd likely have lost my sister as they were flowing fluids into her as fast as she was losing them.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Aug 5, 2014 14:37:39 GMT -5
Do we just have to judge SILs about BF vs FF or can we be judgy in other ways too? OH!! I know!!! I'll start with how her 3 year old drinks more Mountain Dew in a week than I have in a lifetime!!! (even if you pick a coke I actually like, he's still ahead of me) I have more, but let's start there.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 14:39:41 GMT -5
Things have changed quite a bit since singlemom gave birth as well.
Hell I had Gwen only four years ago and I am finding I have to check out pregnancy books again because things have changed so much in a short time frame. So far TNMC has been a total 180 compared to Creighton (in a good way!)
There's still rules you have to follow. No it's not going to be exactly the same as giving birth in my house alone in my tub with nobody telling me what to do. TNMC still has state regulations they need to follow whether I agree or not. But in general things are moving rapidly towards the "magical" side of things as research finds more and more evidence to support this is better for mother and baby.
This is with me living in flyover potato farmer simpleton land, so if we're moving rapidly towards "magical" I'd assume the majority of the rest of the country is as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:44:49 GMT -5
a magical birth experience is getting to have your baby your way....not having to follow a bunch of hospital rules and regulations that are only in place to make things easier for the doctors/nurses, who should be there to make things easier/more enjoyable for you.Not quite. Many of the rules and regulations are in place, in the rare case of an emergency that both the mother and child wind up alive. My sister probably had the easiest, unmedicated births for her first 2 kids. In fact, they were so easy that she was considering having the third at home. Her husband dug in his heels. Turned out with the third, she had a condition called placenta accreta and damn near bled to death. I don't think I have EVER seen that much blood (I was there for the birth). It was a REALLY good thing that she had all those 'rules and regulations', or I'd likely have lost my sister as they were flowing fluids into her as fast as she was losing them. what about allowing her to eat and drink in labor would have changed the outcome?
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Post by Sunnyday on Aug 5, 2014 14:46:30 GMT -5
Whoa!! I don't care whether anyone formula feeds. And I don't care if my SIL formula feeds or not. The issue is why she felt the need to corner me and talk to me about why she wants to formula feed for 45 minutes while I sat in silence nodding. That was the rant! I think that you might be doing some projection here. I suspect that it didn't really matter what topic she was ranting about......you're response might have been about the same. From reading many of your posts, you strike me as generally impatient, angry and mean-spirited. And, that for the most part, you don't like other humans.....just my personal observation...carry on. Wow, all of that is so me! Your posts have always struck me as stupid. When you get back into a corner, instead of debating, you run off with your ball. And this is some weird random attack that just has me scratching my head! Have you been drinking? But of course, this also my personal observation! Carry on, indeed!
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 5, 2014 14:46:37 GMT -5
a magical birth experience is getting to have your baby your way....not having to follow a bunch of hospital rules and regulations that are only in place to make things easier for the doctors/nurses, who should be there to make things easier/more enjoyable for you.Not quite. Many of the rules and regulations are in place, in the rare case of an emergency that both the mother and child wind up alive. My sister probably had the easiest, unmedicated births for her first 2 kids. In fact, they were so easy that she was considering having the third at home. Her husband dug in his heels. Turned out with the third, she had a condition called placenta accreta and damn near bled to death. I don't think I have EVER seen that much blood (I was there for the birth). It was a REALLY good thing that she had all those 'rules and regulations', or I'd likely have lost my sister as they were flowing fluids into her as fast as she was losing them. what about allowing her to eat and drink in labor would have changed the outcome? It could have changed the outcome for the SIL that I really don't like, because little guy turned around mid-pushing and tried to come out hips first & got stuck. They had to go back for an emergency c-section immediately because they almost lost him. Would much rather get cut open than to have a dead baby.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 14:47:34 GMT -5
what about allowing her to eat and drink in labor would have changed the outcome
I can eat/drink during labor with Abigail. Several ladies on the WIR board have said the same thing.
I couldn't at Creighton but that wasn't a hill I decided to die on. I don't have any clue if they've changed their policy because I don't go there anymore for unrelated reasons.
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Post by swamp on Aug 5, 2014 14:48:13 GMT -5
a magical birth experience is getting to have your baby your way....not having to follow a bunch of hospital rules and regulations that are only in place to make things easier for the doctors/nurses, who should be there to make things easier/more enjoyable for you.Not quite. Many of the rules and regulations are in place, in the rare case of an emergency that both the mother and child wind up alive. My sister probably had the easiest, unmedicated births for her first 2 kids. In fact, they were so easy that she was considering having the third at home. Her husband dug in his heels. Turned out with the third, she had a condition called placenta accreta and damn near bled to death. I don't think I have EVER seen that much blood (I was there for the birth). It was a REALLY good thing that she had all those 'rules and regulations', or I'd likely have lost my sister as they were flowing fluids into her as fast as she was losing them. what about allowing her to eat and drink in labor would have changed the outcome? They let you eat and drink during labor up here in east bum fuck
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:48:39 GMT -5
what about allowing her to eat and drink in labor would have changed the outcome? It could have changed the outcome for the SIL that I really don't like, because little guy turned around mid-pushing and tried to come out hips first & got stuck. They had to go back for an emergency c-section immediately because they almost lost him. Would much rather get cut open than to have a dead baby. and again, how would eating/drinking during labor have had an impact on an emergency c-section?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 14:49:04 GMT -5
They let you eat and drink during labor up here in east bum fuckOh come on we all know you're giving birth squatting in the corn field just like I do living in Iowa.
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Post by swamp on Aug 5, 2014 14:49:40 GMT -5
It could have changed the outcome for the SIL that I really don't like, because little guy turned around mid-pushing and tried to come out hips first & got stuck. They had to go back for an emergency c-section immediately because they almost lost him. Would much rather get cut open than to have a dead baby. and again, how would eating/drinking during labor have had an impact on an emergency c-section? You might puke and aspirate if given a general anesthesia
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:50:28 GMT -5
and again, how would eating/drinking during labor have had an impact on an emergency c-section? You might puke and aspirate if given a general anesthesia they put in a breathing tube....just like if you're in a car accident on your way back to work from lunch and need emergency surgery.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 5, 2014 14:53:56 GMT -5
The whole issue with going under and possible aspiration? Honestly eating/drinking in labor isn't a hill for me to die on. I can handle 11 hrs or so without food. They fed me well afterwards so all was good Same hospital was the one I had Aly at and they let me walk around all I wanted, only had to stop once I tapped out and requested the epi for obvious reasons. Knowing just how badly it can go makes me thankful that they have so many rules in place. They arent' to be mean or to be more convenient for the doctors, it's because women and children still die in the process of childbirth and they are trying to prevent that from happening whenever possible.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 14:55:34 GMT -5
One of the advantages of working for a research/teaching hospital is I get to learn a lot. The whole goal of the hospital is to be on the "leading edge" so it seems like I get at least one email a day that is completely different than what I knew 4 years ago.
They're moving to doing the majority of emergency C-sections with an epidural because it helps with recovery time and also provides the opportunity for mom to BF within the first hour of giving birth and the baby will latch better since nothing passed thru their bloodstream to make them groggy.
Because of this the policies are changing as far as eating/drinking during labor.
Not everyone is going to immediately jump on the wagon but if we're changing in the middle of nowhere then I'd assume everywhere else is. You may have to hospital shop a bit but things have changed dramatically and are continuing to change as research outpaces outdated policies.
Hospitals aren't evil places cackling madly as they make you adhere to policies that haven't been updated since 1950. Hanging onto that stereotype just continues to perpetuate the idea that if something happens and your experience isn't "magical" it's your fault because you chose a hospital.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 5, 2014 15:03:21 GMT -5
Mine was a normal birth. I only had to push for an hour and she was out. 29 and 24 hours here. I had an epidural both times. Thank god for my friend that told me "When they offer you an epidural - take it". My SIL had two very quick births - less than two hours. I am envious - but not in a bad way - I certainly didn't expect her to suffer just becasue I did.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 5, 2014 15:08:25 GMT -5
can someone please tell me what a "magical birth experience" isFairy dust rains down from the ceiling and unicorns fart rainbows as you serenely lie back in a meadow of flowers while the baby gracefully exists the womb with no trace of gore/mess. Then all your loved ones crowd around you and bask in the awesome glory that is your womanhood/vagina. Sounds good to me, maybe you could sell me on having a 3rd - NOT. But you get the prize for litterary skills. Maybe you can write novels to earn $$ to take the kiddos to Disney.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 5, 2014 15:10:28 GMT -5
I used to write quite a bit when I was younger. Haven't had many ideas since college. I'm hoping Gwen will make bank on her "Princess Thunder Bunny" stories, but first we have to teach her how to type so people can actually read what she wrote.
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Post by raeoflyte on Aug 5, 2014 15:16:08 GMT -5
I'm not in bum fuck and the hospital I delivered at is going for the ultimate certification in granola labor and delivery experience, but when I had my 2nd they had changed their requirements and told me multiple times to eat before I got to the hospital. That I could get an epidural as soon as I arrived even if I just ate (and disclosed to them) a quarter pounder and fries but that if anyone from the hospital saw me eat a cracker or have anything but water I had to wait 6 hours for an epidural. That is a very recent example of a bullshit regulation in place and they all knew it which is why they warned everyone up front.
I'm not for or against at home or more natural birthing experiences but I definitely see the reason behind them.
Another fairly recent example from hippy town: With my first they also made me get out of the bathtub (at hospital for laboring in, not delivery) to check dilation when I was obviously in transition. They could have checked me in the tub or just given me another 20 minutes to see if the contractions lightened but nope, its been 2 hours we have to check you RIGHT NOW. And shockingly I asked for an epidural as soon as I got to the bed. I'm guessing I could have been done with labor 2-4 hours earlier if they had just left me another 20 minutes in that bathtub.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 5, 2014 15:17:10 GMT -5
For record, with DD's birth (my second), I did not have an epidural and the only pain I was in was the 5 minutes I was pushing. I was in a nice magical calm state and then I started pushing and was like Oh SH!T that hurts. But it was over quick. DS's birth my goal was the same, but I couldn't get my mind in a good place and I was about to puke during the contractions. I got an epi and had a baby less than an hour later. I was induced with both - on pitocin. But frankly - the end result was the same. I felt the same afterwards with both, I was up and moving around immediately with both (too quick on the epi, they wanted me not to move and I was like I'm fine, lets go). So, even that peaceful magical, spending labor playing mindsweeper on the iPad, the end result was the same. (Active labor and pushing for both was pretty quick).
I breastfed DS for 15 months. DD for 6 months. Formula was freakin' expensive. I cloth diapered DS, didn't cloth diaper DD. No real difference either way. I did not realize the cost savings cloth diapering that I thought I would. I realized a lot more cost savings breastfeeding even with an expensive pump, than I thought I would. My DS never would hold his bottle - he switched to a sippy cup at 13 months and he would hold that. DD refused to hold her bottle until 12 months. Even at 18 months (yes she still gets a bottle, judge away), she still likes us to hold her bottle from time to time. But most of the time she does it on her own.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 5, 2014 15:19:52 GMT -5
can someone please tell me what a "magical birth experience" isFairy dust rains down from the ceiling and unicorns fart rainbows as you serenely lie back in a meadow of flowers while the baby gracefully exists the womb with no trace of gore/mess. Then all your loved ones crowd around you and bask in the awesome glory that is your womanhood/vagina. Pretty much. The acquaintance I referred to in my post had a pretty typical birth experience, then a complete disaster (the baby died at birth), then two unassisted pregnancies which both ended with water births at home. She's a hell of a writer and to be completely honest, I couldn't get enough of the latter two stories. She did make them sound pretty magical.
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