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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Nov 4, 2014 9:03:59 GMT -5
Thank God the media and mail ads will be over (for at least a little while) after today. Although I DID hear a radio commercial last night for someone running on the Constitution Party. I didn't know there WAS one so I guess that was yesterday's lesson about politics!
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Post by The Captain on Nov 4, 2014 9:25:52 GMT -5
Thank you Thyme!!!
I voted this morning. My choice of candidates sucked. Except for the local county level judges, I happily voted for them.
NY Governor: Bully idiot child of Mario v. Weasely corrupt downstate dude who brings nepotism to a whole new level. US Representative: NYC moviemaker v. 29 year old policy maker for Paul Ryan who has never held a "real job" and uses her parents' vacation home as her "home address" so she can say she's from upstate NY. It sounds like you have an issue with this...how is that different than using a parents' home to get their kids into a different school district?
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Post by swamp on Nov 4, 2014 9:28:38 GMT -5
Thank you Thyme!!!
I voted this morning. My choice of candidates sucked. Except for the local county level judges, I happily voted for them.
NY Governor: Bully idiot child of Mario v. Weasely corrupt downstate dude who brings nepotism to a whole new level. US Representative: NYC moviemaker v. 29 year old policy maker for Paul Ryan who has never held a "real job" and uses her parents' vacation home as her "home address" so she can say she's from upstate NY. It sounds like you have an issue with this...how is that different than using a parents' home to get their kids into a different school district? Whatever. Got a problem with me today?
Don't say you're from the place when you never lived there. I actually lived there. And do spend inordinate amounts of time there when my parents are in Florida.
The deed is in my name. It always has been. I pay the taxes. It's my freakin' house.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 4, 2014 9:38:17 GMT -5
I like that picture of McCain. It shows he has a sense of humor and human like the rest of us.
Though I would never vote for Rick Perry, I found his "ooops" error during the Republican debates human and him momentarily likeable too.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 4, 2014 9:54:41 GMT -5
i think this is hilarious. i heard MM talking about how great it will be when the GOP gets a Senate Majority. when everyone sees that it is WORSE THAN EVER, THEN what happens? the incredible lack of realism is bordering on ridiculous. You must live in a glass house my friend.
JR do you think once we get a republican majority in the senate congress will be able to quickly move forward and enact important changes including repealing Obamacare? Or are we in for two more years of bloviating and hot air while nothing at all gets done? This congress has been the least successful, as far as getting anything done, than any congress - ever - in our history. My money is that this next congress is just as useless as the last one, no matter which party is in charge.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 4, 2014 9:57:35 GMT -5
I voted last week and think I'll vote again today. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif) I can't wait for the nasty ads stop.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 4, 2014 10:02:07 GMT -5
It sounds like you have an issue with this...how is that different than using a parents' home to get their kids into a different school district? Whatever. Got a problem with me today?
Don't say you're from the place when you never lived there. I actually lived there. And do spend inordinate amounts of time there when my parents are in Florida.
The deed is in my name. It always has been. I pay the taxes. It's my freakin' house.
Not you specifically. Just inconsistent behavior in general. It's not your primary residence. You've admitted that and acknowledged in another thread that you did some "finangling" to get what you wanted: This is in clear violation of statute and case law which states: www.p12.nysed.gov/sss/lawsregs/decision12499.html"A child’s residence is presumed to be that of his or her parents or legal guardians. In the absence of compelling evidence that the student resides with his parent, instead of guardian, thus making the guardianship a sham, the presumption that he resides with the guardian is not rebutted." Although as a lawyer, I'm sure you are aware of the statute. The fact that you own the property is irrelevant. It is not your primary residence as you have admitted. You want to live in one district and send your kids to school in a better district so you are "finangling" things to suit your desires. How is that different from what the candidate is doing (which, again, I bring up only because you appeared to take issue with it)?
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 4, 2014 10:08:10 GMT -5
I voted last week and think I'll vote again today. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif) I can't wait for the nasty ads stop. You get a 12-14 month break before they start up again. Enjoy!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 11:01:31 GMT -5
You must live in a glass house my friend.
JR do you think once we get a republican majority in the senate congress will be able to quickly move forward and enact important changes including repealing Obamacare? Or are we in for two more years of bloviating and hot air while nothing at all gets done? This congress has been the least successful, as far as getting anything done, than any congress - ever - in our history. My money is that this next congress is just as useless as the last one, no matter which party is in charge. It's a toss up. Even with a slight majority the Republicans will have a hard time pushing through things over the veto especially Obamacare. My wife is a RN and she can first hand tell you of the horrors this health bill has put on people where she works.
Here's my thought, if it goes Republican things on the blame will reverse. Now the Democrats tell everyone that things can't get done because of the Republicans blocking every single good thing they want to do for us, yea right. So now this blame will shift to them at least the dumb ones. Smart Democrats will at least try to straddle the fence with Republican bills, hell even Pryor in one of his ads brags about trying to work with Republicans, funny he didn't do that on Obamacare or we might not be in this pickle.
So with that in mind come the next election of the President and other Congressmen will it be enough for the Republicans to grab the White House? All depends if they can put someone forward who can get this message across and promise with a Republican Congress they will repeal this joke of a health bill? They will ask "do you want four more years of Obamacare?" If not then elect........?
With that in mind you may have enough Democrats who are on the fence now and want to be re-elected in two years to put together enough of a majority to pass good things and go ahead and put Obamacare out of it's misery.
IMO there are enough Democrats that don't even want Obama campaigning for them to swing this. The Question now will be if Hillary wins the White House will she want to quit Obamacare and try to revise the bill that her and Bill tried to push through a divided Congress that failed from even lack of support from her own party at the time?
The funny part about this on the Democrats is they were stupid enough to actually believe in time Obamacare would be accepted by the American people and here we are two years later and it's the one single item more than anything that will turn Congress to the Republicans. If you don't believe it at the end of the day today ask Pryor.
The one thing that is a given, going Republican will make Obama even more useless than he is now and on the block of I can't wait for the next two years to be over. His own party doesn't want him to campaign for them and in two years that won't change. A wasted 8 years that's for sure.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 11:45:16 GMT -5
I voted last week and think I'll vote again today. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/rofl.gif) Vote early vote often! more election fraud happens with absentee voting than all other voting fraud combined, but you never hear about reforming it. wonder why?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 11:52:27 GMT -5
i think this is hilarious. i heard MM talking about how great it will be when the GOP gets a Senate Majority. when everyone sees that it is WORSE THAN EVER, THEN what happens? the incredible lack of realism is bordering on ridiculous. You must live in a glass house my friend.
actually, i do. there are windows wrapping about 300 degrees of my house.
Reminder: What was the first bill passed by Clinton? The single largest tax increase in this country's history that's all.
two things. one. it was not the largest. it was the second largest. the largest was passed under Reagan, MY FRIEND. Clinton passed the SECOND largest tax increase in 1993. second, Clinton was advised to do this by the right AND the left to avoid huge deficits. that was before people stopped caring about deficits.
How did it pass? Senate tied 50/50 and when this happens who breaks the tie? Good old vice president Gore that's who. Funny thing is while Clinton campaigned for office he told everyone "got to raise taxes" and Democrats just like sheep headed to slaughter voted him right in.
articles.latimes.com/1993-08-07/news/mn-21221_1_tie-breaking-vote
Seems he's pulled another one of those change his mind things?
www.washingtonexaminer.com/even-bill-clinton-says-taxes-too-high-would-repeal-his-35-corporate-rate/article/2553832
So what happened when Congress turned Republican on the next mid term election? All that crap stopped and he was just like he was in Arkansas a lame duck. It was the last time Arkansas voted Democrat in the president's race, why? We knew we wanted to get rid of him and let everyone have a dose of his BS.
He passed taxes in Arkansas too, under the we got to do better on education, sadly as it is now when he left here Arkansas was still ranked only ahead of Mississippi in education.
Ridiculous? You're right. Democrats will bear the shame of Obama for decades to come and when the good old boys take over the Senate the bleeding will at least stop for the next two years.
And my statement on a simple majority goes to passing bills and overriding vetos not just a filibuster. Should that happen this idiototic thing called Obamamcare will go up in flames. The Democrats bear that shame also.
It's simple really just like Pryor here in Arkansas, when it's all over he can look back to 3 words:
Shoulda Coulda Woulda
He was told even by his own father he "should" not vote for Obamacare He "could" have listened and did the right thing. Had he listened he "would" not be worried about Tom Cotton
As I stated before this one single thing alone in this state put his head in the political noose and anyone with any credibility could have beat him just because he let himself get sucked into Washington's BS instead of listening to the very people here who told him not to do it.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obamacare-among-issues-voters-are-unhappy-about/ar-BBcQCfP?ocid=HPCDHP
Notice he didn't mention Obamacare on those things he opposed Obama on?
www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/31/arkansas-senate-race/
Going to feel good today to get rid of the dirty laundry.
to paraphrase WCPS, in one form or another the ACA is here to stay. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) the GOP can't (and won't) do a thing about it. mark my words.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 11:56:15 GMT -5
JR do you think once we get a republican majority in the senate congress will be able to quickly move forward and enact important changes including repealing Obamacare? Or are we in for two more years of bloviating and hot air while nothing at all gets done? This congress has been the least successful, as far as getting anything done, than any congress - ever - in our history. My money is that this next congress is just as useless as the last one, no matter which party is in charge. It's a toss up. Even with a slight majority the Republicans will have a hard time pushing through things over the veto
hard = impossible. it is NEVER going to happen. they will NEVER get a dozen Democrats to go along with that. NEVER.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 11:57:32 GMT -5
My wife is a RN and she can first hand tell you of the horrors this health bill has put on people where she works. yeah, the horrors of having more people with insurance, and having to treat people with pre-existing conditions. must be a nightmare. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/huh.gif)
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 11:58:58 GMT -5
You must live in a glass house my friend.
JR do you think once we get a republican majority in the senate congress will be able to quickly move forward and enact important changes including repealing Obamacare? Or are we in for two more years of bloviating and hot air while nothing at all gets done? This congress has been the least successful, as far as getting anything done, than any congress - ever - in our history. My money is that this next congress is just as useless as the last one, no matter which party is in charge. oh no. i am confident that they will pass more legislation than the last one- which produced bills at the dizzying pace of once every three days. just not as many bills that become law. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 12:03:18 GMT -5
The one thing that is a given, going Republican will make Obama even more useless than he is now and on the block of I can't wait for the next two years to be over. His own party doesn't want him to campaign for them and in two years that won't change. A wasted 8 years that's for sure.
i agree with all of this, however, i think that Democrats were STUPID to not run with Obama. the economy is vastly better than it was 2, 4, or 6 years ago: deficit is down, GDP is up, consumer confidence is up, stock market is at record highs, UE is at a 7 year low....there was plenty to run on- but because the heartland is drowning in koolaid, they really couldn't do that. congratulations to the GOP for creating an electorate that is so ill informed that they actually think the economy is doing badly now. that was maybe not as great an achievement as linking Saddam to 911, but it was close. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/thumbsup.png)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 12:11:04 GMT -5
My wife is a RN and she can first hand tell you of the horrors this health bill has put on people where she works. yeah, the horrors of having more people with insurance, and having to treat people with pre-existing conditions. must be a nightmare. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/huh.gif) You don't have a clue as to what RN's have to go through now because of Obamacare so leave that one alone unless you are a RN or like me married to one. And who gets to pay for all the people that had no insurance and pre-existing conditions since this bill passed? Do you have insurance? My wife just done her annual re-sign up. Since Obamacare has hit her monthly premiums have tripled and benefits have been cut. Do you think for a minute insurance companies are going to just bear the cost? Nope as usual they pass the cost on to people like hard working nurses like my wife and to you that so eagerly believed this non-sense. Like I said people at the polls today will remember Pryor for being the deciding vote and making what we had though not perfect more unaffordable and do less too.
Yes if you talk to anyone in the medical profession they tell you it is a nightmare and hopefully some changes today will start to wake us up from it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 12:12:10 GMT -5
in other words, if the strategy is to make Obama look bad, i don't think the GOP has thought it through very well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 12:15:43 GMT -5
You must live in a glass house my friend.
actually, i do. there are windows wrapping about 300 degrees of my house.
Reminder: What was the first bill passed by Clinton? The single largest tax increase in this country's history that's all.
two things. one. it was not the largest. it was the second largest. the largest was passed under Reagan, MY FRIEND. Clinton passed the SECOND largest tax increase in 1993. second, Clinton was advised to do this by the right AND the left to avoid huge deficits. that was before people stopped caring about deficits.
How did it pass? Senate tied 50/50 and when this happens who breaks the tie? Good old vice president Gore that's who. Funny thing is while Clinton campaigned for office he told everyone "got to raise taxes" and Democrats just like sheep headed to slaughter voted him right in.
articles.latimes.com/1993-08-07/news/mn-21221_1_tie-breaking-vote
Seems he's pulled another one of those change his mind things?
www.washingtonexaminer.com/even-bill-clinton-says-taxes-too-high-would-repeal-his-35-corporate-rate/article/2553832
So what happened when Congress turned Republican on the next mid term election? All that crap stopped and he was just like he was in Arkansas a lame duck. It was the last time Arkansas voted Democrat in the president's race, why? We knew we wanted to get rid of him and let everyone have a dose of his BS.
He passed taxes in Arkansas too, under the we got to do better on education, sadly as it is now when he left here Arkansas was still ranked only ahead of Mississippi in education.
Ridiculous? You're right. Democrats will bear the shame of Obama for decades to come and when the good old boys take over the Senate the bleeding will at least stop for the next two years.
And my statement on a simple majority goes to passing bills and overriding vetos not just a filibuster. Should that happen this idiototic thing called Obamamcare will go up in flames. The Democrats bear that shame also.
It's simple really just like Pryor here in Arkansas, when it's all over he can look back to 3 words:
Shoulda Coulda Woulda
He was told even by his own father he "should" not vote for Obamacare He "could" have listened and did the right thing. Had he listened he "would" not be worried about Tom Cotton
As I stated before this one single thing alone in this state put his head in the political noose and anyone with any credibility could have beat him just because he let himself get sucked into Washington's BS instead of listening to the very people here who told him not to do it.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obamacare-among-issues-voters-are-unhappy-about/ar-BBcQCfP?ocid=HPCDHP
Notice he didn't mention Obamacare on those things he opposed Obama on?
www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/31/arkansas-senate-race/
Going to feel good today to get rid of the dirty laundry.
to paraphrase WCPS, in one form or another the ACA is here to stay. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) the GOP can't (and won't) do a thing about it. mark my words. ACA will run itself into the ground and when it does belly up make sure you duck when the first rock hits that glass house. The Republicans will get it no matter how long it takes, just hope it's sooner than later. The ACA is a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 12:17:10 GMT -5
in other words, if the strategy is to make Obama look bad, i don't think the GOP has thought it through very well. What's there to think about? he's done a good enough job on his own looking stupid. Again his own party doesn't want him even showing up at the dance!
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 12:17:59 GMT -5
yeah, the horrors of having more people with insurance, and having to treat people with pre-existing conditions. must be a nightmare. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/huh.gif) You don't have a clue as to what RN's have to go through now because of Obamacare
sure i do. my stepmom is an RN. not that it is any of your g-ddamn business.
so leave that one alone unless you are a RN or like me married to one. And who gets to pay for all the people that had no insurance and pre-existing conditions since this bill passed?
who paid for them before? the insured, of course. who will pay for them now? the insured of course. the ACA only changed the MECHANISM by which that happened, it didn't change the cause OR effect.
Do you have insurance? My wife just done her annual re-sign up. Since Obamacare has hit her monthly premiums have tripled and benefits have been cut.
sorry to hear that. my premiums are actually flat, as well as my benefits. that is the case with MOST people, so your situation is unusual. before you go ballistic on me for saying that, i can prove it, if you wish.
Do you think for a minute insurance companies are going to just bear the cost? Nope as usual they pass the cost on to people like hard working nurses like my wife and to you that so eagerly believed this non-sense.
think, jr. think HARD. since the law was signed by REAGAN, hospitals have to treat people, REGARDLESS of whether they were insured, FOR EMERGENCIES. so, if you were uninsured BEFORE the ACA, and you needed medical help, what did you do? you waited until it was an emergency, and then you got the most expensive care imaginable- EMERGENCY, rather than treating it in advance. who paid for that?
Like I said people at the polls today will remember Pryor for being the deciding vote and making what we had though not perfect more unaffordable and do less too.
Yes if you talk to anyone in the medical profession they tell you it is a nightmare and hopefully some changes today will start to wake us up from it.
i hear about it all the time. my step mom is not exactly silent. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 12:19:35 GMT -5
to paraphrase WCPS, in one form or another the ACA is here to stay. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) the GOP can't (and won't) do a thing about it. mark my words. ACA will run itself into the ground and when it does belly up what makes you think so?make sure you duck when the first rock hits that glass house. i think you need to review what that phrase means, MY FRIEND.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 12:21:26 GMT -5
in other words, if the strategy is to make Obama look bad, i don't think the GOP has thought it through very well. What's there to think about? he's done a good enough job on his own looking stupid. Again his own party doesn't want him even showing up at the dance! that is because THEY are stupid, imo. that is why they are going to lose. my party played it smart. that is why they are going to win. this time. but i wasn't talking about THIS TIME, jr. i was talking about the strategy for the next two years. how is proposing a bunch of stuff that won't survive veto (or even filibuster, in most cases) going to help the GOP?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 12:22:23 GMT -5
to paraphrase WCPS, in one form or another the ACA is here to stay. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) the GOP can't (and won't) do a thing about it. mark my words. ACA will run itself into the ground and when it does belly up make sure you duck when the first rock hits that glass house. The Republicans will get it no matter how long it takes, just hope it's sooner than later. The ACA is a joke. so is Medicare Part B, and it is here to stay. being a joke doesn't mean it is easily repealed, MY FRIEND.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 4, 2014 12:30:52 GMT -5
My wife is a RN and she can first hand tell you of the horrors this health bill has put on people where she works. yeah, the horrors of having more people with insurance, and having to treat people with pre-existing conditions. must be a nightmare. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/huh.gif) While I'm no fan of the mess called "Obamacare", I'm an advanced practice RN and I disagree with your wife, @jr. What we have isn't perfect but it's a damned sight better than what we had. Someday, we might even get what we really need - universal health care without all the garbage that makes it unworkable.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 12:37:51 GMT -5
You don't have a clue as to what RN's have to go through now because of Obamacare
sure i do. my stepmom is an RN. not that it is any of your g-ddamn business.
so leave that one alone unless you are a RN or like me married to one. And who gets to pay for all the people that had no insurance and pre-existing conditions since this bill passed?
who paid for them before? the insured, of course. who will pay for them now? the insured of course. the ACA only changed the MECHANISM by which that happened, it didn't change the cause OR effect.
Do you have insurance? My wife just done her annual re-sign up. Since Obamacare has hit her monthly premiums have tripled and benefits have been cut.
sorry to hear that. my premiums are actually flat, as well as my benefits. that is the case with MOST people, so your situation is unusual. before you go ballistic on me for saying that, i can prove it, if you wish.
Do you think for a minute insurance companies are going to just bear the cost? Nope as usual they pass the cost on to people like hard working nurses like my wife and to you that so eagerly believed this non-sense.
think, jr. think HARD. since the law was signed by REAGAN, hospitals have to treat people, REGARDLESS of whether they were insured, FOR EMERGENCIES. so, if you were uninsured BEFORE the ACA, and you needed medical help, what did you do? you waited until it was an emergency, and then you got the most expensive care imaginable- EMERGENCY, rather than treating it in advance. who paid for that?
Like I said people at the polls today will remember Pryor for being the deciding vote and making what we had though not perfect more unaffordable and do less too.
Yes if you talk to anyone in the medical profession they tell you it is a nightmare and hopefully some changes today will start to wake us up from it.
i hear about it all the time. my step mom is not exactly silent. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) Sounds like your stepmom lives in the reality. Before Obamacare my wife's monthly premium for health care as far as mediacl goes was $49 a month for a family of 4 (I'm raising two grandkids) with a $100 a year major medical deductible and no copay for office visits. This didn't include other things like dental, eye, etc. which are all added if you want them.
As of yesterday her premiums went up for the same family to $169 monthly with a $500 a year major medical deductible with a $30 copay for office visits. All of the ad ons are higher too.
Ask around and find out how many people are in the same boat since obamacare. Ask people like a friend of mine who is self employed and is now paying over $1k a month just for major medical with a $2k deductible. Ask them what they think since Obamacare.
Maybe you should listen to your stepmom and if she's ole enough and remembers the good old days when Ronnie was running the show which she would now choose? Ask people like everyday hard working people like my wife which she would choose. Ask any of them if they should have listened to the Republicans and if they are tired of the words "I told you so"
The day after Pryor voted for Obamacare with the majority of people in this state telling him no the wheels started rolling to replace him. They quit rolling today. My wife and I just voted an hour ago and helped just that cause.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 4, 2014 12:39:16 GMT -5
I live in MA, where we had the "Romneycare" mandate long before the ACA went into effect. MA hasn't imploded under the strain of all the newly insured, and the rest of the country won't either. dj had it exactly right when he asked who you thought covered the treatment of these people before they were insured - and went to the ER for treatment.
mmhmm's right in that it isn't perfect, but it's sure as hell a step in the right direction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 12:46:05 GMT -5
yeah, the horrors of having more people with insurance, and having to treat people with pre-existing conditions. must be a nightmare. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/huh.gif) While I'm no fan of the mess called "Obamacare", I'm an advanced practice RN and I disagree with your wife, @jr. What we have isn't perfect but it's a damned sight better than what we had. Someday, we might even get what we really need - universal health care without all the garbage that makes it unworkable..... Don't know where you practice at but here my wife spends countless hours doing nonsense paperwork instead of caring for patients in some cases. She now as an orthopedic nurse has people on her floor that are nothing more than drug addicts wanting and getting free drugs because of the fear of turning them down.
Your right to disagree if you know what she does and where but you don't and as you know requirements for nurses aren't universal in all categories nation wide, it's a state to state thing in lots of cases, what may or may not be policy in your state may or may not be the same here.
And again her insurance premiums and benefits have suffered since Obamamcare. Should the very people in the health care system suffer for those who lets not forget in some cases could care less about insurance.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 4, 2014 12:50:38 GMT -5
My retiree, employee provided healthcare was increasing on average $100 per month, per year, two years before Obama was elected a senator, 4 years before he was elected president, and 6 years before the ACA became law.
To blame the ACA for monthly and yearly increases is ludicrous. Health care simply costs more than when I retired 10 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 12:51:49 GMT -5
ACA will run itself into the ground and when it does belly up make sure you duck when the first rock hits that glass house. The Republicans will get it no matter how long it takes, just hope it's sooner than later. The ACA is a joke. so is Medicare Part B, and it is here to stay. being a joke doesn't mean it is easily repealed, MY FRIEND. Are you on Medicare? I'm on Medicare but I opt out for the Part C and with my wife's insurance together I'm in a lucky class, don't worry about any medical costs.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 4, 2014 12:51:51 GMT -5
i hear about it all the time. my step mom is not exactly silent. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) Sounds like your stepmom lives in the reality.
yes, she does. so does mmhmm, and their opinion of it is almost identical.
Before Obamacare my wife's monthly premium for health acre as far as mediacl goes was $49 a month for a family of 4 (I'm raising two grandkids) with a $100 a year major medical deductible and no copay for office visits. This didn't include other things like dental, eye, etc. which are all added if you want them.
As of yesterday her premiums went up for the same family to $16 9 monthly with a $500 a year major medical deductible with a $30 copay for office visits. All of the ad ons are higher too.
my premium was over $1k/month and it is about the same. i can't imagine what a $100 policy would buy. not much.
Ask around and find out how many people are in the same boat since obamacare. Ask people like a friend of mine who is self employed and is now paying over $1k a month just for major medical with a $2k deductible. Ask them what they think since Obamacare.
i don't nose around in other people's business. but i can read. at least a dozen people have posted about it, here. but i am not relying on anecdotes. insurance premiums are tracked, and their rate of growth since the ACA was adopted is lower than at any time since tracking started.
Maybe you should listen to your stepmom and if she's ole enough and remembers the good old days when Ronnie was running the show which she would now choose?
she is in her 70's- like mmhmm. maybe you should listen to HER.
Ask people like everyday hard working people like my wife which she would choose. Ask any of them if they should have listened to the Republicans and if they are tired of the words "I told you so"
i can't imagine anything less helpful than "i told you so".
The day after Pryor voted for Obamacare with the majority of people in this state telling him no the wheels started rolling to replace him. They quit rolling today. My wife and I just voted an hour ago and helped just that cause.
Pryor voted with his party. that is what is generally done. and that is how it is likely to go over the next (2) years. here is the part of this game that my fellow Republicans are totally missing: the solidarity on the left is amazing right now. it is where the GOP was in 1998. they have incredible party discipline. the GOP is not going to get a single Democrat to cross ranks on this. but you don't have to believe me. let's just sit back and watch what happens the next 26 months.
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