KFC Kicks Child 3 Out

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Jun 19, 2014 21:01:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jun 19, 2014 18:36:47 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

I have a cousin that has hideous scars all over his face (laid over his motorcycle, skidded his face on the pavement). He likes to say "When people recoil from me just because of my appearance, it says more about the ugliness in their heart than it could ever say about anything about my appearance."

Disgust is an innate phenomenon, and recoiling is an autonomous reaction to disgust.

In some cases it's possible to inure oneself against being disgusted by specific things--given a great deal of persistence and effort. But in general we can't choose the things that disgust or frighten us, and when we're surprised by something disgusting/frightening we have very little control over our immediate reaction to it.

My point being that people recoiling from your friend's appearance reflects as little on the ugliness of their hearts as it does on the ugliness of his.

I disagree with the bolded. I believe that disgust (in any particular thing) is a learned trait. Case in point: eating of fish eyes. If a person wasn't raised around the idea... they would react with disgust and recoil from them. However... if that same person was raised from birth to see them as a delicacy... well... their reaction would be quite different... wouldn't it?

I do agree that the recoil is a product of disgust and is, in and of itself, autonomous... once disgust is experienced.

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I don't think it's an innate phenomenon either - it's a learned trait/reaction.

Kids are very accepting of anyone - despite their appearance. If a parent reacts to someone who has a disfigurement or disability in a negative way by looking away, making an under-the-breath comment, or shunning/avoiding the person, the child eventually picks up on those reactions and inherits them.

One of my brothers who was a race-car driver had a close friend (also a driver) who was injured in a horrific crash in the '80s. The car had caught fire - he suffered severe burns - mostly to his upper torso, arms & face.

After over a year of hospital stays, healing and then some re-constructive/plastic surgery/skin grafting, he still remained severely scarred on one side of his face and some visible scarring on his arms/chest.

It was heartbreaking to see people avoid him or not want to serve him in stores, or wait on him/sit near him in restaurants, etc.

Thank goodness he was strong on the inside - someone else under the same circumstances might consider suicide.

BTW, his wife saw the man she'd married still there, and they went on to raise a beautiful, loving (and compassionate) family.

[mmhmm]

Did your brother know Swede Savage, ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ?

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

I don't know if he personally knew or met Swede, mmhmm - he was killed in the '70s. My bro was on the circuit then, so it's very possible.

He does know most of the drivers from both NASCAR & Indy.

I posted a pic of him a while back posing in one of the Indy cars.

He's past his racing days now - and mostly just attends - he has a lifetime pit-pass for both NASCAR & Indy events so during the summer he's always traveling from one to another.

[mmhmm]

I saw his pic.  Nice looking guy!  Swede was a friend of mine (really, he was a fan of my silly son when my silly son was about 8 and Swede was racing motorcycles in So. Cal.).  That's why I asked. I cried for days after the accident that took his life. I can still see him smile.  Great guy!

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 19, 2014 21:28:56 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Jun 19, 2014 21:01:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Disgust is an innate phenomenon, and recoiling is an autonomous reaction to disgust.

In some cases it's possible to inure oneself against being disgusted by specific things--given a great deal of persistence and effort. But in general we can't choose the things that disgust or frighten us, and when we're surprised by something disgusting/frightening we have very little control over our immediate reaction to it.

My point being that people recoiling from your friend's appearance reflects as little on the ugliness of their hearts as it does on the ugliness of his.

I disagree with the bolded. I believe that disgust (in any particular thing) is a learned trait. Case in point: eating of fish eyes. If a person wasn't raised around the idea... they would react with disgust and recoil from them. However... if that same person was raised from birth to see them as a delicacy... well... their reaction would be quite different... wouldn't it?

I do agree that the recoil is a product of disgust and is, in and of itself, autonomous... once disgust is experienced.

If a person is "raised from birth" to find something disgusting or not--meaning the person is frequently exposed to it and is subject to lengthy conditioning on how to perceive it--then yes, I agree.

The things I find disgusting: filth floating in swimming pools, snot, bad breath, spider crabs, house caterpillars, soiled public restroom stalls, corpses, malt candies, cilantro, and (yes) certain types of striking physical deformities. I assure you I had no assistance or training regarding any of these things. Many of them I've only come across a handful of times in my entire life.

Some of them I suspect I could "get over" with sufficient exposure; others I can guarantee you will always disgust me. The likely reality is that I'll remain disgusted by all of them. I'm not exposed to them enough for any meaningful conditioning to take place, and in most cases I wouldn't willingly put up with the prolonged discomfort of learning to "get over" them.

It's a minor personal failing, but it is what it is. The best I can hope to do is temper my reactions when they matter. Trying not to gag if I unexpectedly take in a mouthful of cilantro while eating a friend's homemade salad, for example.

Regarding physical deformities in particular, while a surprising encounter might cause me to recoil, I still make every effort to not let any discomfort affect my behaviour. Courtesy and respect for my fellow man trump personal comfort.

[zibazinski]

Little kids don't have that filter. If you show a little kid a mask that's ugly or mean looking, they get scared. You show them one that isn't or is smiling, they smile.

[zibazinski]

Think of the bad people we warn children about. So the actual predators look like creeps? Yes, in their mug shots but if they looked scary, they couldn't lure kids away. Kids instinctively fear something scary or mean looking. Which is why I would never let granny with her grandson use my toilet during a garage sale. Most cons are done by sweet nice looking people.

[resolution]

Looks like the whole thing was a fraud and the family successfully collected $135,000 in cash for something that never happened.


www.11alive.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/23/girl-tossed-from-kfc-hoax/11291535/

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And if you believe "sources that are not allowed to speak on the record" or wish to retain "anonymity", then that link means nothing.

Provide a link that states for fact that it was a fraud.

I tend to believe that an employee of the KFC in question did in fact ask that the family (and child) leave the establishment in question.

[Tennesseer]

Shame on the family.  We can add this hoax to another hoax uncovered last week.

A bus driver in Dayton, Ohio, claimed three black teenagers attacked, stabbed, robbed, and shot him and two of the bullets were stopped by a copy of the New Testament in his chest pocket.   Turns out it was all a lie.

Ohio bus driver lied about Bible stopping bullets during ‘race-fueled gang attack’: police 

[Jaguar]

I could only find one other piece that said this might be a hoax, not that this is a hoax.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 24, 2014 0:32:14 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

I could only find one other piece that said this might be a hoax, not that this is a hoax.

From the article:

The source said surveillance videos show that at no time on the 15th were any children in the store who match the description of Victoria Wilcher or Mullins. The tapes were viewed in both the Meadowbrook and Woodrow Wilson KFC locations in Jackson, the source said. In hours of tape, the source said one small boy with his parents is seen, but they order food and leave the store.

The source said no orders were recorded to include mashed potatoes and sweet tea on the same transaction, or even the two items as part of a larger order on May 15. Mullins told WAPT TV in Jackson shortly after the incident went viral on social media June 12 that: "I ordered a sweet tea and mashed potatoes and gravy. I sat down at the table and started feeding her and the lady came over and said that we would have to leave, because we were disturbing other customers, that Victoria's face was disturbing other customers."

The source said never has a hospital patient been asked to leave one of the KFCs and he pointed to seeing people suffering from all sorts of ailments eat at KFC. Inside Batson Children's Hospital is a plaque of Col. Harland Sanders, founder of KFC, placed there after the company made a multimillion-dollar donation to the hospital.

"We have never ever ever run off anyone, and we have seen some really really sick people come to the restaurant from the hospital," the source said. "We've had people come in who were shot in the face. We've had them with tubes and wire sticking out. We never have asked anyone to leave."

"There is a physically challenged person working in the Woodrow Wilson location and one of the other (KFC) managers has a child with Tourette's Syndrome," the source said.

The family initially told KFC the incident happened at the location on State and High streets, a claim backed by a Facebook post by Victoria's Victories, a page run by Teri Rials Bates, the girl's aunt that read: "Thank you for your support for Victoria. If you would like to file a complaint its the KFC on State Street in Jackson MS." That store is not in operation and has been closed for several years.

Victoria's Victories changed its story Friday, saying the State Street reference was a mistake. In it, Bates wrote. "Im the Aunt, I run her page and Im the one that miss quoted that it was State street when it was actually Woodrow Wilson. Dont blame the grandmother for my mistake!"

The source said it was no mistake at all.

"It just didn't happen," the source said.

It's a hoax.

Or a fraud, more appropriately.

I'm not a great fan of our 24/7 surveillance society, but it has its occasional high points.

[zibazinski]

I'm sure they won't be asked to return the money, which is a shame, because this just makes more scammers go for the prize but granny needs to spend some time paying for her CRIME.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 24, 2014 6:56:18 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I'm sure they won't be asked to return the money, which is a shame, because this just makes more scammers go for the prize but granny needs to spend some time paying for her CRIME.

Obviously they're not going to return the money. If they had to pay their medical bills, how would they afford their next pit bull?

[zibazinski]

[Tennesseer]

Jun 24, 2014 0:32:14 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

I could only find one other piece that said this might be a hoax, not that this is a hoax.

Change hoax to 'lied' and you have plenty of Internet articles.  I was being polite ìn calling it a hoax as opposed to calling him a liar.  The Dayton police department and FBI (possibility of a hate crime) have closed their cases on this guy.  Zero findings to his claims.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Finger Lickin' Fraud:

I deal with insurance fraud on a daily basis.  The thing that amazes me is the cognitive disconnect of people who commit fraud between the insurance premiums they complain about, and their willingness to steal from people.  And I say steal from people, because KFC is a franchise- so this woman could have ruined an individual and his family financially.  It already cost him the $35,000 he paid to settle (or his insurance company paid to settle) this fraudulent claim.  It could have cost employees their jobs.  It comes out of pension funds that invest in PepsiCo.  And it costs all of us because of increased insurance costs, and those make up the increased costs of doing business that are reflected in the price of a bucket-o-chicken.

Here in Florida, insurance fraud costs the average family $940 a year.

www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-claim-kfc-kicked-3-year-old-disfigured-granddaughter-hoax-report-article-1.1841151

A Mississippi woman’s story of her disfigured 3-year-old granddaughter being discriminated against and kicked out of a Jackson KFC in May was made up, an investigation has found, the Laurel Leader-Call reported.

Kelly Mullins has raised more than $135,000, received free surgeries for her granddaughter and drawn $30,000 from KFC itself after claiming an employee at the fast-food joint ordered little Victoria Wilcher out because of her severe scarring.

“They just told us, they said, ‘We have to ask you to leave because her face is disrupting our customers,’” Mullins told WAPT-TV of the alleged May 15 incident. "(Victoria) just cried the whole way home ... She won't look in the mirror."

...

Details of the attack itself were not under investigation. But a look into Mullins claims of what actually happened at the Woodrow Wilson Drive KFC location on May 15 are peppered with inconsistencies, an investigation by KFC found, the Leader-Call reported.

In fact, the woman and the little girl did not even visit that location, or another Jackson location, a review of surveillance tape found.
Mullins told WAPT on June 12 that she and the girl visited the store after a doctor’s appointment at a nearby KFC, where the grandmother “ordered a sweet tea and mashed potatoes and gravy.”

But a review of transactions on May 15 at both Jackson locations found those items weren’t included in the same order at any point. And no one matching the description of Mullins or little Victoria visited either restaurant, the Leader-Call reported.

[Virgil Showlion]

Paul, I'm going to merge this with the longtime-active thread on the same subject. The fraud aspect of the whole thing is already being discussed there.

     - Virgil (Mod)

[zibazinski]

Jun 24, 2014 7:27:00 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 24, 2014 0:32:14 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

I could only find one other piece that said this might be a hoax, not that this is a hoax.

Change hoax to 'lied' and you have plenty of Internet articles.  I was being polite ìn calling it a hoax as opposed to calling him a liar.  The Dayton police department and FBI (possibility of a hate crime) have closed their cases on this guy.  Zero findings to his claims.

A little jail time and a criminal record Might be a good deterrent to anyone else trying to scam.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 24, 2014 7:53:52 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Jun 24, 2014 7:27:00 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Change hoax to 'lied' and you have plenty of Internet articles.  I was being polite ìn calling it a hoax as opposed to calling him a liar.  The Dayton police department and FBI (possibility of a hate crime) have closed their cases on this guy.  Zero findings to his claims.

A little jail time and a criminal record Might be a good deterrent to anyone else trying to scam.

The Dayton police and district attorney can start with filing a false police report.

This bus driver allegedly owes around $100,000 in back taxes on homes he owns.  Motive-sue the city.

[Tennesseer]

And another case (besides the Dayton bus driver) of blaming the bogeyman.  This one looks like those involved, including the baby sitter, will face criminal charges.

4-Year-Old Busts Babysitter Who Claimed Black Robbers Broke Into House Burglarized By Her Boyfriend

[Ryan]

That was a shock.  If people weren't such suckers, then this wouldn't happen so often.

[The Captain]

I hate it when I'm right sometimes.

So the poor kid will be a victim again, being used by her family as a cash machine by lying and committing fraud.  Lovely life lesson they're teaching her.

They can't keep her safe, and they can't teach her a decent set of values.  Nice start she's getting in life.

[Virgil Showlion]

Jun 24, 2014 9:49:24 GMT -5 The Captain said:

I hate it when I'm right sometimes.

So the poor kid will be a victim again, being used by her family as a cash machine by lying and committing fraud.  Lovely life lesson they're teaching her.

They can't keep her safe, and they can't teach her a decent set of values.  Nice start she's getting in life.

At least she's pretty.

Oh no, wait...

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jun 24, 2014 10:56:59 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Jun 24, 2014 9:49:24 GMT -5 The Captain said:

I hate it when I'm right sometimes.

So the poor kid will be a victim again, being used by her family as a cash machine by lying and committing fraud.  Lovely life lesson they're teaching her.

They can't keep her safe, and they can't teach her a decent set of values.  Nice start she's getting in life.

At least she's pretty.

Oh no, wait...

Ouch. That's just cold.

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Yeah, Virgil... that was pretty cold. Wasn't Moderation worthy... but it was cold.

[mmhmm]

Thing is, that child isn't ugly. She's injured. She's scarred. She's not ugly. With reconstructive surgery, she'll be just fine. Besides, some of the most outwardly attractive people are, IMO, some of the ugliest.

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Jun 24, 2014 18:19:09 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Thing is, that child isn't ugly. She's injured. She's scarred. She's not ugly. With reconstructive surgery, she'll be just fine. Besides, some of the most outwardly attractive people are, IMO, some of the ugliest.

Because it deserves two "likes"...

[mmhmm]

Just from the picture, I've got a lot of admiration for that little girl. I don't care whether the story is a hoax, or what the grandmother or grandfather may have done. That little one, despite what she's been through, has a smile that lights up the world. She's got courage, and strength, and the resilience with which children are so often richly blessed. That, I admire!!