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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 12, 2014 12:24:45 GMT -5
Didn't he originally sign the house to the daughter so that the legal estranged wife wouldn't get it? Or am I remembering wrong?
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Post by tloonya on Jun 12, 2014 12:25:44 GMT -5
The people involved (not others) need to talk to their lawyer. As the paperwork suggested. They don't know (supposedly) what paperwork suggested...remember? English...
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 12, 2014 12:28:14 GMT -5
The daughter is playing hard ball. Now, whether she is playing hard ball because she is tired of your family interfering, or because she is an ass is up in the air.
It seems to me that your mom's b/f needs to get a lawyer (that speaks English) and to hire an interpreter (NOT YOU, they need someone who is going to be not so involved....and you are entirely TOO involved) to deal with the daughter.
Personally, I think that what YOU need to do is advise him of this, and BUTT OUT. I suspect that you and your mom are making matters worse for your mom's b/f.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 12, 2014 12:28:59 GMT -5
Because my Mom has no rights to this house anyway - however she sends 2 letters 'to all occupants', 2 letters to a father and 2 letters to my mother...
Even if she doesn't have any claim to it she still resides there. All residents need to be notified in writing that there is an eviction going on and they will need to vacate the premises.
That will keep your mother from trying to squat in the house. Plus depending on the law in the state the daughter may have to treat your mother as a legal tenet and follow proper eviction procedures considering how long your mother's lived there.
She isn't doing anything wrong. You THINK she is because you have no clue how the law works, which is only making things worse.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 12, 2014 12:29:00 GMT -5
Why would TV channels love to see that? There's already repo type shows where people have stuff taken away. While people might feel sorry they aren't going to riot in the streets because people get evicted. I think 'Young Philadelphia lawyer is evicting her 81 y/old father after stroke, 2 cancers and hernia surgery...from the house he signed over to her' will make a lot of heads turn! OR 81 y/old stroke, cancer surviver is thrown out of his own home by his young LAWYER daughter... pick any one!
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 12, 2014 12:30:40 GMT -5
The people involved (not others) need to talk to their lawyer. As the paperwork suggested. They don't know (supposedly) what paperwork suggested...remember? English... They do know. They found a translator (and apparently stopped throwing out the legal notices!). Now they need to go see a lawyer and find out what their legal options are.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 12, 2014 12:32:27 GMT -5
Didn't he originally sign the house to the daughter so that the legal estranged wife wouldn't get it? Or am I remembering wrong? Yes, and he thought he did it so she owes it after his death. That was his terms and she did what she wanted to do...
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Post by justme on Jun 12, 2014 12:33:11 GMT -5
She doesn't have rights monetarily to the house (though neither does the father it seems), but she does have rights of tenancy. Which is what Drama is saying.
And, I just have to point out that you just called her a bitch in post #30 so I correctly inferred that from your earlier post.
Also, she's not the one that wrote the laws of how to evict someone, she is merely following the law. So her sending both of them letters is not some malicious plan, but rather required by law.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 12:34:40 GMT -5
Are Mom and boyfriend planning on going down with the ship? Me and mom went to see an apartment. BF said over his dead body! He said he will burn house down. Mom said it will be good for daughter because insurance will pay her money. He said there is no law to evict him because he said 'after my death'. So...daughter sends letters (6 same certified letters. SIX! One per envelope) saying they need to have a lawyer. Its in English. If I had not translated they would have no idea what those letters are! They would open it and...what? They would have NO idea these papers saying important stuff. They would have NO idea they had been sued or praised for best looking front yard. Also this letter sounds awfully like those collectors are sending out. NOTICE OF INTENTION TO TAKE DEFAULT JUDGEMENT... First letters were given them 20 days to 'take these papers to a lawyer' This one 10 days. However I repeat - they don't know it. Because it is in English. And if I had charged $50 PER HOUR for my services as this bitch wants - they wouldn't be able to afford me as a translator so...they wouldn't know. Get your Mom moved out and settled in an apartment. If he doesn't want to go with, that's his problem. If she won't go without him, then stay out of it and let them deal with the consequences.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 12, 2014 12:36:38 GMT -5
So in an attempt to avoid giving his legal wife what should be legally hers, he signed forms which he did not understand and is now suffering the consequences of that decision. I feel for him, but he did kinda dig this hole a long time ago.
And just because a sad story gets picked up by the news or the internet does not mean that things will be miraculously changed for the better. This 91 year old veteran lost his home to his daughter despite the fact that everyone agreed it was a lousy thing to do to him.
abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughter/story?id=19134306
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 12, 2014 12:37:09 GMT -5
Yes, and he thought he did it so she owes it after his death. That was his terms and she did what she wanted to do...
She's entitled to do it, he signed the house over to her. WTF made him think if he signs a deed over it's only effective after death? Whoever holds the deed owns the house!
He is the one that decided he wanted to try to stick it to his "ex" wife rather than actually get divorced and follow the law accordingly.
Whether his daughter actually took advantage of him and was cackling madly at the idea of getting his house is up for debate.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 12, 2014 12:38:18 GMT -5
Me and mom went to see an apartment. BF said over his dead body! He said he will burn house down. Mom said it will be good for daughter because insurance will pay her money. He said there is no law to evict him because he said 'after my death'. So...daughter sends letters (6 same certified letters. SIX! One per envelope) saying they need to have a lawyer. Its in English. If I had not translated they would have no idea what those letters are! They would open it and...what? They would have NO idea these papers saying important stuff. They would have NO idea they had been sued or praised for best looking front yard. Also this letter sounds awfully like those collectors are sending out. NOTICE OF INTENTION TO TAKE DEFAULT JUDGEMENT... First letters were given them 20 days to 'take these papers to a lawyer' This one 10 days. However I repeat - they don't know it. Because it is in English. And if I had charged $50 PER HOUR for my services as this bitch wants - they wouldn't be able to afford me as a translator so...they wouldn't know. Get your Mom moved out and settled in an apartment. If he doesn't want to go with, that's his problem. If she won't go without him, then stay out of it and let them deal with the consequences. My Mom can move with me anytime. I would take them both - however he is from long living gene pool and his heart stronger. I am not imagining being stuck with him if something happened to Mom. Plus he wouldn't go. And she wouldn't live him. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I ACTUALLY written THAT, MNP? Seriously!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 12:38:22 GMT -5
He is the one that decided he wanted to try to stick it to his "ex" wife rather than actually get divorced and follow the law accordingly. Personally, I think a little karma might be coming into play here...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 12:39:44 GMT -5
Get your Mom moved out and settled in an apartment. If he doesn't want to go with, that's his problem. If she won't go without him, then stay out of it and let them deal with the consequences. My Mom can move with me anytime. I would take them both - however he is from long living gene pool and his heart stronger. I am not imagining being stuck with him if something happened to Mom. Plus he wouldn't go. And she wouldn't live him. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I ACTUALLY written THAT, MNP? Seriously! And how many times have people told you there's nothing you can do to avoid the eviction if that's what his daughter wants to do? That doesn't seem to be sinking in either.
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Post by Opti on Jun 12, 2014 12:40:03 GMT -5
Why would TV channels love to see that? There's already repo type shows where people have stuff taken away. While people might feel sorry they aren't going to riot in the streets because people get evicted. I think 'Young Philadelphia lawyer is evicting her 81 y/old father after stroke, 2 cancers and hernia surgery...from the house he signed over to her' will make a lot of heads turn! OR 81 y/old stroke, cancer surviver is thrown out of his own home by his young LAWYER daughter... pick any one! I hope you realize the court only cares about what is legal. Whose heads turn or do not won't make bit a difference when the court rules. Ten days is ten days.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 12, 2014 12:42:50 GMT -5
So in an attempt to avoid giving his legal wife what should be legally hers, he signed forms which he did not understand and is now suffering the consequences of that decision. I feel for him, but he did kinda dig this hole a long time ago.
And just because a sad story gets picked up by the news or the internet does not mean that things will be miraculously changed for the better. This 91 year old veteran lost his home to his daughter despite the fact that everyone agreed it was a lousy thing to do to him.
abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughter/story?id=19134306
Rocky, his ex abandoned him. He married an alien and as soon as she got papers she left him. He was rightfully mad! She moved to a different state. She worked just a little bit so she can collect all she could, so in case of divorce - he would have to give her half of what he worked for his whole life! So he found solution. Doo you really believe he is a sinner? Hard working his whole life, earning money, taking care of his families...why was it wrong for him to try to protect his assets?
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Post by justme on Jun 12, 2014 12:43:42 GMT -5
And that's what the default judgement is about. If you don't respond to the court through the correct paperwork the person who brought the matter before the court wins and gets whatever they asked the court for.
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Post by justme on Jun 12, 2014 12:44:35 GMT -5
So in an attempt to avoid giving his legal wife what should be legally hers, he signed forms which he did not understand and is now suffering the consequences of that decision. I feel for him, but he did kinda dig this hole a long time ago.
And just because a sad story gets picked up by the news or the internet does not mean that things will be miraculously changed for the better. This 91 year old veteran lost his home to his daughter despite the fact that everyone agreed it was a lousy thing to do to him.
abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughter/story?id=19134306
Rocky, his ex abandoned him. He married an alien and as soon as she got papers she left him. He was rightfully mad! She moved to a different state. She worked just a little bit so she can collect all she could, so in case of divorce - he would have to give her half of what he worked for his whole life! So he found solution. Doo you really believe he is a sinner? Hard working his whole life, earning money, taking care of his families...why was it wrong for him to try to protect his assets? Because, by virtue of being married, in most states they are legally her assets as well. ETA/BTW - if he would have dealt with it back then - a short marriage, followed by abandonment as soon as she got her papers to stay here probably could have gotten him divorce without losing much of his assets.
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Post by Opti on Jun 12, 2014 12:45:59 GMT -5
So how does he have a daughter then. Ex or different Mom? Why hasn't he pursued divorce? Your Mom is living with a married man?!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jun 12, 2014 12:47:00 GMT -5
If he had done what was right 20 years ago Looney, he wouldn't have found himself in trouble today. Yeah, it might have cost him some money but he would have been young enough to recover from it. He would have found another spouse that he could have a life with and learned from his mistake.
But because he was pissed off, he bit off his nose to spite his face. Karma's a bitch, isn't it?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 12, 2014 12:50:17 GMT -5
So in an attempt to avoid giving his legal wife what should be legally hers, he signed forms which he did not understand and is now suffering the consequences of that decision. I feel for him, but he did kinda dig this hole a long time ago.
And just because a sad story gets picked up by the news or the internet does not mean that things will be miraculously changed for the better. This 91 year old veteran lost his home to his daughter despite the fact that everyone agreed it was a lousy thing to do to him.
abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughter/story?id=19134306
Rocky, his ex abandoned him. He married an alien and as soon as she got papers she left him. He was rightfully mad! She moved to a different state. She worked just a little bit so she can collect all she could, so in case of divorce - he would have to give her half of what he worked for his whole life! So he found solution. Doo you really believe he is a sinner? Hard working his whole life, earning money, taking care of his families...why was it wrong for him to try to protect his assets? Get. A. Divorce.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 12, 2014 12:50:52 GMT -5
The daughter is playing hard ball. Now, whether she is playing hard ball because she is tired of your family interfering, or because she is an ass is up in the air. It seems to me that your mom's b/f needs to get a lawyer (that speaks English) and to hire an interpreter (NOT YOU, they need someone who is going to be not so involved....and you are entirely TOO involved) to deal with the daughter. Personally, I think that what YOU need to do is advise him of this, and BUTT OUT. I suspect that you and your mom are making matters worse for your mom's b/f. Hey. I think I had just heard one tiny voice of reason... Listen, parents living in the house. D is living in her condo nearby. She is coming writing bills out for them (from fathers bank account) and takes him to appts. He falls very ill. She is immediately writes 40 pages POA appointing herself the one. I am assuming she had lost job or something... She is starting to be late on fathers bills. Taking money too pay taxes, not paying it. Father asked wtf? She responded 'don't you trust me?' he said yes. Money kept disappearing. He whined to my mom, we went to a lawyer, removing of POA went on. D started eviction procedure... About 6 month ago we weren't seeing each other unless big celebrations were going on. Why are you assuming interfering? It is just started. There was nothing before...peace and quiet...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 12, 2014 12:50:59 GMT -5
She worked just a little bit so she can collect all she could, so in case of divorce - he would have to give her half of what he worked for his whole life! So he found solution
Doesn't seem to have helped too much since now he's facing eviction.
I don't feel sorry for him. He could have at any point if he didn't understand refused to sign anything, including the deed to the house. He could have gotten a non-related lawyer to look into things. Instead he was so eager to "protect" his stuff that it's coming back to royally bite him in the ass.
The fact that he didn't bother to do anything about it and is now in his 70's facing eviction is his own fault.
His daughter may be a "bitch", I don't know but she's not the one who signed the house over. I call BS that in 20+ years he couldn't have figured out what it was he did by signing over the deed.
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Post by tloonya on Jun 12, 2014 12:53:21 GMT -5
So how does he have a daughter then. Ex or different Mom? Why hasn't he pursued divorce? Your Mom is living with a married man?! This one from a different wife. I told you why he did not got divorce! He did not want to give ex his money! She lied to him (love for papers) and left him!
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Post by tloonya on Jun 12, 2014 12:54:47 GMT -5
Rocky, his ex abandoned him. He married an alien and as soon as she got papers she left him. He was rightfully mad! She moved to a different state. She worked just a little bit so she can collect all she could, so in case of divorce - he would have to give her half of what he worked for his whole life! So he found solution. Doo you really believe he is a sinner? Hard working his whole life, earning money, taking care of his families...why was it wrong for him to try to protect his assets? Get. A. Divorce. What. Divorce? From. Whom? That ex has nothing to do with anything anymore.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 12, 2014 12:54:48 GMT -5
He did not want to give ex his money!
So instead he gave his daughter everything. Working out real well isn't it?
In 20+ years he could have recovered just fine from the divorce. He's not going to recover so nicely at 70 and facing eviction.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 12, 2014 12:56:45 GMT -5
So how does he have a daughter then. Ex or different Mom? Why hasn't he pursued divorce? Your Mom is living with a married man?! This one from a different wife. I told you why he did not got divorce! He did not want to give ex his money! She lied to him (love for papers) and left him! Well, now he's lost his home. Many people are in the same boat of having to lose a chunk of their hard-earned money to their ex's in a divorce. Yes, it sucks. But many people realize that losing some money now is preferable to continuing on with the headaches for years to come. Your mom's boyfriend decided otherwise, and now he's dealing with headaches in his old age that he could have avoided years ago.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 12, 2014 12:57:37 GMT -5
What. Divorce? From. Whom? That ex has nothing to do with anything anymore. Oy. She's not an ex. She's a legal wife. If she was an ex, he would not have had to move his home's ownership to avoid her getting it.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jun 12, 2014 12:58:33 GMT -5
He did not want to give ex his money! So instead he gave his daughter everything. Working out real well isn't it? In 20+ years he could have recovered just fine from the divorce. He's not going to recover so nicely at 70 and facing eviction. This is a valuable lesson for people who might be putting off getting some legal things worked out. It might be a hassle today, but do you want to be hassling with it at 80+?
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Post by justme on Jun 12, 2014 12:58:45 GMT -5
If they had only been married a short while, and he had proof that he had abandoned her right after she got her papers, he probably could have showed that in court during a divorce and used that to retain most if not all of his assets. As it was not his first wife, for sure the assets he had before her would probably remain his. And, if she really did run off no where to be found he could have proceeded with a divorce without her and after following the steps, if she didn't show up keep everything.
So, he had plenty of options. He just picked the stupid one.
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