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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 4, 2014 17:57:57 GMT -5
There probably is a lot more to the story. The points about why the neighbor would involve the po-po, and the way the Dad is portrayed do demand more questions.
I kind of like the idea of making the kid walk. Kids will hide behind "I don't know" or "I don't remember" so long as they are allowed to (I sure did). I like the punishment of having to walk, giving him plenty of time to think of a better answer. I could see my Dad doing something like that, since if I was going to blame my memory, I clearly needed time to think things over.
But yeah... following the kid in the car -- or taking him for a walk and walking with him, would have been preferable.
Otherwise, we don't know what happened behind closed doors, and probably never will.
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Post by milee on Jun 4, 2014 18:02:17 GMT -5
God milee, this just makes me want to cry. I'm sorry you had to go through stuff like this. Thanks for the worry, but I'm OK. I live a good life now and didn't mean to plop in a depressing story, just wanted to give an example of how tough it is to tell what the scoop is without hearing all the details.
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Post by constanz22 on Jun 4, 2014 18:06:06 GMT -5
I say "good for dad"! I work with families who do less than zero parenting or ever hold their children accountable for anything. And as far as the kid walking a mile. Please, in the city I work in, KINDERGARTEN kids are required to walk to school if they live within a mile. Total overkill...
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Post by goldensam on Jun 4, 2014 18:14:33 GMT -5
No, a mile isn't far for a kid to walk happily to school on a daily basis if he or she is used to it. It is, however (IMO), too far and totally inappropriate to kick an 8 year old out of the car as punishment when he is probably scared and crying and is forced to get himself home. I spent many years as an abused child with a parent that people thought was just awesome and sweet as can be. I don't buy his story for a minute.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:18:01 GMT -5
My 2.5 yr old walked a mile last weekend when we were hiking down a trail. So it can't be the distance that's the issue. You child abuser!
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:19:05 GMT -5
First off - the kid was already punished for his transgression - and maybe he truly didn't remember? The second thing: A neighbor decided to take kid to school school decided to call cops - not dad cop decided to pursue da? decided to charge judge agreed to that. So - 4-5 entities much more familiar with this case each decided to escalate it rather than just say "dude - don't do that again, we don't want young kids walking home alone" AND - everything in the article is coming from the dad. Did he call a press conference? Everyone else involved, save the neighbor, would not be allowed to talk to the press about this (I think). He says he pled no contest to just get it over with - but now he's blabbing to newspaper? I'm not buying his story. Sounds like the school was anxious to call in the authorities, and took their first chance..... The guy is a coach - I don't think the "school was anxious to call in the authorities"....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 18:19:15 GMT -5
You really can't see a difference?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:23:19 GMT -5
Rukh, I don't think you read the article. It said the neighbor called the police. It did not say the school called the police.
oped, I stayed at Princevlle a couple of months ago. I drove that highway every day. It's not a dangerous place imo.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:24:00 GMT -5
The guy is a coach - I don't think the "school was anxious to call in the authorities".... and yet - they did..... No they didn't. If you read the article, it said the NEIGHBOR called the police.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:26:03 GMT -5
Quote: "He learned that his neighbor found the boy, but rather than bring him home, took him to school and called police."
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Post by Abby Normal on Jun 4, 2014 18:26:39 GMT -5
First off - the kid was already punished for his transgression - and maybe he truly didn't remember? The second thing: A neighbor decided to take kid to school school decided to call cops - not dad cop decided to pursue da? decided to charge judge agreed to that. So - 4-5 entities much more familiar with this case each decided to escalate it rather than just say "dude - don't do that again, we don't want young kids walking home alone" AND - everything in the article is coming from the dad. Did he call a press conference? Everyone else involved, save the neighbor, would not be allowed to talk to the press about this (I think). He says he pled no contest to just get it over with - but now he's blabbing to newspaper? I'm not buying his story. Sounds like the school was anxious to call in the authorities, and took their first chance..... From the article it sounds like neighbor took the kid to the school AND called the police. Not the school calling. But that doesn't mean they didn't agree. Edit- The others beat me to it. Sheesh you can hardly keep up around here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 18:29:21 GMT -5
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:30:33 GMT -5
Rukh, I don't think you read the article. It said the neighbor called the police. It did not say the school called the police. oped, I stayed at Princevlle a couple of months ago. I drove that highway every day. It's not a dangerous place imo. so - you interpreted this as the neighbor - I thought the school did it. Still - the police pursued this. You believe this father - I don't. I'm just going by what the article said - not what I'm reading into it. The article stated that the neighbor, instead of bringing him home took him to school AND called police. What don't you believe? The basic facts don't seem to be in doubt.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:31:36 GMT -5
Well the article says the neighbor called the police. All he'd have needed would be a cell phone
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Post by goldensam on Jun 4, 2014 18:34:50 GMT -5
Just saw the picture. No way in hell would my kid be walking that. Hell, I wouldn't want to walk it. Limited vision ahead because of hills, a small shoulder...no way.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:34:57 GMT -5
Difference of opinion. Except I've actually been on that road, in that area.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 18:36:34 GMT -5
Oh, and he went back 'roughly' five minutes later...
To to me, he's controlling the dialogue and I personally don't buy it on face value.
And, yes, it is not a choice I would have made.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 4, 2014 18:37:49 GMT -5
Horse shit the kid didnt know. I bet he had done it before and dad had had enough. What a shame. This is why some children are unwelcome in society.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:38:22 GMT -5
oped, I probably wouldn't have made the choice either, but being charged with child abuse for it it pretty out there, imo
Hawaii law still allows parents to spank their kids - the next time the kid will probably get a spanking instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 18:41:05 GMT -5
He plead to endangering welfare of a minor... Not child abuse.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:41:41 GMT -5
maybe I'm too urban, but I would not want my 2nd grader walking along a road with no sidewalk. Where do you get 2nd grader? I'd think he'd be in 3rd grade by 8
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jun 4, 2014 18:42:54 GMT -5
oped, I probably wouldn't have made the choice either, but being charged with child abuse for it it pretty out there, imo Hawaii law still allows parents to spank their kids - the next time the kid will probably get a spanking instead. So spanking in your mind is worse than dropping him off on a highway with no sidewalk? Umm... okay... Miss M, I did not say spanking was worse than having a kid walk home from school. But some consider spanking as child abuse. I would appreciate it if you could refrain from putting words into my mouth. Thank you very much.
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Post by goldensam on Jun 4, 2014 18:45:26 GMT -5
If this kid is growing up the way I did, the punishment he got afterward was even worse. I remember the day after my principal called CPS on my mom. The punishment then was worse than the punishment that got CPS called in the first place.
Maybe I'm jaded, but I just don't believe every parent is the saint they make themselves out to be. I know there are a lot of great parents out there, but there are some shitty ones, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 18:45:31 GMT -5
He wasn't charged with child abuse. He was charged with endangering the welfare of a child.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 4, 2014 18:45:50 GMT -5
I don't think it matters. It was between them until some busy body do gooder got involved. I'd beat my kids ass for getting into a car with a stranger. If the kid knew the adult then shame on the adult for not just taking the kid home. A LOT of people overstepped their boundaries here.
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Post by goldensam on Jun 4, 2014 18:47:17 GMT -5
I don't think it matters. It was between them until some busy body do gooder got involved. I'd beat my kids ass for getting into a car with a stranger. If the kid knew the adult then shame on the adult for not just taking the kid home. A LOT of people overstepped their boundaries here. Yes, shame on those damn do-gooders that get involved when a kid in elementary school is potentially being abused. The nerve!
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 4, 2014 18:58:32 GMT -5
Abuse? Walking home. Wah, wah, wah. I hope he got it and got it good. He'd be in so much trouble he wouldn't know where to begin. Don't confuse your childhood with what happened.
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Post by goldensam on Jun 4, 2014 19:02:45 GMT -5
And don't confuse abuse with healthy child rearing. Just because you would "beat your kid's ass" doesn't make it right.
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Post by saveinla on Jun 4, 2014 19:05:03 GMT -5
Kids have feelings too - I know . Maybe the son was sensitive about what had happened and wanted to not have his younger brother know about it ?? The problem here is that the dad got angry because his son did not reply properly and leaving him on the road on the side of a highway was child endangerment. It does not matter if it was safe etc.etc.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 4, 2014 19:05:25 GMT -5
Yup, I'm a meanie. I was raised by an abuser and those who stood by and let it happen. I know the difference and I'm sure you do, too.
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