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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 11:13:18 GMT -5
Funny, I tell my kids "school is your job" all the time. To be honest, I enjoy uniforms. I liked wearing industrial aprons like everyone else in the kitchen staff with my first job in high school. It marked our team and purpose, and was useful. Same with wearing steel toed boots out on job sites while logging samples, and wearing company shirts with our logo. I have no problem with basic dress codes applied evenly, especially things like goggles in labs or special shoes for gym floors or work spaces. When the idea that the basis of dress codes should be to stop males from being distracted was brought up, I found the reasoning somewhat hollow however, for the reasons posted above.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 11:14:54 GMT -5
I think kids should generally live under the rules of the rest of us, you don't cause others harm, you don't cause property harm, etc. I think as parents we have a little more authority over don't cause yourself harm either. And definitely in our homes and property we exercise proprietary rights which can result in compulsory compliance in children... I try, as much as possible, to limit those to the areas previously mentioned.. Ie might cause damage to people, property, self. If a kid wanted to wear their shoes inside that were dirty, I'd show them how to use a mat and a vacuum cleaner... Rights come with responsibilities.
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Post by movingforward on Jun 4, 2014 11:21:59 GMT -5
A dress code in no way should be in place "because boys/men might find it distracting." That actually sounds like something from 1955 to me... but people (both male and female) should realize certain dress that is appropriate for certain situations. I interviewed a college intern yesterday that looked like he put on a shirt that had been wadded up in a ball on the floor for 3 days. Look dude, if you don't own an iron borrow one, hang the shirt in the shower the night before and hope the steam with get the wrinkles out, borrow a shirt, whatever you need to do... of course, this kid was also clueless about how to interview but clothing didn't help. Needless to say he didn't get the internship. Whether people want to believe it or not appearance DOES matter and not knowing how to dress appropriately can hurt you in the long run. Having a REASONABLE school dress code helps teach this IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 11:26:30 GMT -5
See, does it though? I've never been taught much through mandatory compliance, but maybe that's just my personality.
If you have to do something, how do you learn if its a good or bad thing, or where it's applicable or not without being told?
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Post by movingforward on Jun 4, 2014 11:27:40 GMT -5
Oh, I would tell them that when they have a job and can afford to pay to have the carpet cleaned then they have "the right" to leave their shoes own. But this why I don't have kids
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Post by movingforward on Jun 4, 2014 11:31:48 GMT -5
See, does it though? I've never been taught much through mandatory compliance, but maybe that's just my personality. If you have to do something, how do you learn if its a good or bad thing, or where it's applicable or not without being told? But isn't there some type of mandatory compliance everywhere
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 11:34:25 GMT -5
Beyond don't hurt others or the property of others? How so?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 4, 2014 11:38:18 GMT -5
Beyond don't hurt others or the property of others? How so? those seem to be very subjective terms when it comes to our laws
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Post by movingforward on Jun 4, 2014 11:59:43 GMT -5
Beyond don't hurt others or the property of others? How so? I can show up to work in a bikini and it doesn't hurt anyone else or their property but I can pretty much guarantee I would be sent home to change and if I refused then I would be fired. I guess this is the type of thing I am talking about... I really am a live and let live type of person I just think that people have to be aware that the world doesn't revolve around them and they can't do exactly what they want to do all the time. I may be way off base by thinking a school dress code helps with that. It wouldn't be the first time I am off base about something
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 12:20:05 GMT -5
It is not mandatory/compulsory you work there though.
If the bikini is important to you, I'm sure there is an occupation in which you can wear it... You need to deal with the consequences of wanting and accepting that priority... Totally your choice though.
Kids generally can't choose to go to school or not. Education is compulsory and most of germ don't have a choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 12:47:49 GMT -5
It always angered me that on a snowy day my daughter could not put on a pair of pants. Her uniform was a skirt or jumper.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 4, 2014 12:59:20 GMT -5
I grew up in the era of girls having to wear skirts when it was cold. We wore pants underneath them. Took them off at school. No biggie.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 4, 2014 13:02:06 GMT -5
I think the compulsory nature of school is an issue though. I can choose where I shop, if I work in a certain environment, etc... School is compulsory. I keep thinking this and forgetting to post it. Oped posted it for me! I honestly hate the idea of uniforms. But I am so, so much more OK with it than gender specific dress code, either in enforcement or parameter. I do have issues with the cost of being forced to buy uniforms for public school, though. Why? You just have to spend less on street clothes and will probably come out ahead becuase you're not having to keep up with Hollister, Aerosptotal (sp) or whatever the expensvie store-de-jour is? I'm actually going to miss getting away with having DD in uniforms.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 4, 2014 13:04:53 GMT -5
It always angered me that on a snowy day my daughter could not put on a pair of pants. Her uniform was a skirt or jumper. At DD's old school the girls could wear pants. However, they like the uniform skirts so much that was what most wore (with a pair of sweats underneath that were taken off before class started).
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Post by quince on Jun 4, 2014 14:22:44 GMT -5
I keep thinking this and forgetting to post it. Oped posted it for me! I honestly hate the idea of uniforms. But I am so, so much more OK with it than gender specific dress code, either in enforcement or parameter. I do have issues with the cost of being forced to buy uniforms for public school, though. Why? You just have to spend less on street clothes and will probably come out ahead becuase you're not having to keep up with Hollister, Aerosptotal (sp) or whatever the expensvie store-de-jour is? I'm actually going to miss getting away with having DD in uniforms. Well, speaking as someone who got most of her clothing extremely cheaply from second hand stores, I would not have come out ahead. I would need to have either lived in my school uniform or bought two separate sets of clothing- street clothes and school clothes. I would have probably have had to give up my (inexpensive) activities to pay for the uniforms.
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Post by hoops902 on Jun 4, 2014 15:23:18 GMT -5
Exactly quince. Uniforms are only cheaper when you've got enough money to spend on designer clothes (and really, even then, if you care enough to buy expensive stuff like that you're going to go right home and change into it. It's not saving you any money at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 15:46:09 GMT -5
And I've heard bully experts say it isn't terribly effective anyway, because if your khakis come from Walmart or Hollister.. Well, they know the difference...
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 5, 2014 9:51:18 GMT -5
Boys behaving badly.
Staind singer Aaron Lewis calls out concertgoers during show
Staind frontman Aaron Lewis scolded a group of fans who were grabbing a young girl while she crowd-surfed during his concert on Saturday.
The band was playing a set during the Rockfest event in Kansas City, Missouri, when Lewis noticed a number of audience members were groping a female who was being shuffled around by the crowd. In a video posted on YouTube, Lewis is seen stopping the performance and ranting at the unruly patrons, exclaiming, "That [expletive] girl is, like, 15 ... and you ... are molesting her while she is on the [expletive] crowd!"
Lewis, who has three daughters of his own, told the crowd, "Your [expletive] mothers should be ashamed of themselves," and threatened to have attendees beaten up for inappropriately touching the girl. He concluded, "Now girls, feel free to crowd-surf safely." The rest of the show, which was attended by an estimated 55,000 fans, continued without incident.
Staind singer Aaron Lewis calls out concertgoers during show
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 5, 2014 10:13:52 GMT -5
You call them on it and they will stop. So they do know better. If I'd been the mom of one of those boys, well, it wouldn't have been pretty when they got home.
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