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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 9:44:40 GMT -5
Thanks to all for your prayers and good wishes.
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Post by mmhmm on May 29, 2014 9:47:28 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear he'll be released today, zib. Just getting home will make him feel better, I'm sure. I'm keeping you both in my thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 9:47:57 GMT -5
Every major religion supports organ donation but some people have ideas of their own. Sign me, Already donated. They didn't used to, though. Jewish law states your body is a temple and someone wouldn't be allowed to be buried in a Jewish cemetery if they desecrated their bodies in any way. So Hitler forcing people in concentration camps to get tattoos was even viler than just doing it to mark them. It was a slap in the face to what they believed in.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 29, 2014 9:51:08 GMT -5
I'm with Nancy - once I get to God, we'll talk. In the meantime, I'm thinking of it as exercising freewill and charity/compassion in 1 fell swoop.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 29, 2014 9:52:21 GMT -5
Glad to hear they might release him. Being comfortable at home with you will be the best medicine! ♡♥♡
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 29, 2014 9:53:05 GMT -5
And I'm so glad he's being released. He'll rest better at home, for sure.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 9:53:52 GMT -5
DF is Reformed which is amazingly liberal to me and, still, they have this notion. I'm just shocked. But he will never be an organ donor because of his health issues.
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Post by Blonde Granny on May 29, 2014 10:02:42 GMT -5
Zib, does he come home with the SWAN thing still in?
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Post by NastyWoman on May 29, 2014 10:03:52 GMT -5
I just saw this thread and it's off to work for me now. But first I want to send all my best wishes to you and DF Zib. I hope they release him asap so the two of you can get home.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 10:06:45 GMT -5
Nope, SWAN is out but they will put something else in for the drug. The milrinone. Plus another drug. Brain fart what that one is called.
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Post by Sunnyday on May 29, 2014 10:08:09 GMT -5
I hope that they release him soon. And I'm thinking of you zibs and your DF.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 10:09:09 GMT -5
I'm terrible with the medical stuff too zib, especially meds. Write it all down. You will be answering questions about those meds forever.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 10:16:52 GMT -5
I have a list of what he takes. Now I will add to the list. Least of my worries. I actually dozed briefly and dreamed I died in car crash and DF got my heart.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 29, 2014 10:23:56 GMT -5
Zib, my Mom keeps a notebook for Dad's medical stuff. She goes to every appointment and writes downs everything. It probably helps that she knows shorthand... And she keeps a 2nd notebook for her sister too. YOu might want to start this.
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Post by Bonny on May 29, 2014 10:24:30 GMT -5
I have a list of what he takes. Now I will add to the list. Least of my worries. I actually dozed briefly and dreamed I died in car crash and DF got my heart. Awful things go through your mind Zib. Take of yourself. Your DH really needs you now.
Best wishes that everything go smoothly.
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Post by skubikky on May 29, 2014 10:25:48 GMT -5
Zib....hang in there kiddo. All the best to your DF.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 10:26:55 GMT -5
Hugs to both of you Zib. I hope you can get him home soon. I second Blond Granny, just get married as soon as you can. You can have a party later when he's feeling well enough to dance.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 10:27:28 GMT -5
Getting out of here will help. A LOT!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on May 29, 2014 10:27:43 GMT -5
Every major religion supports organ donation but some people have ideas of their own. Sign me, Already donated. Judaism does not. Well, not exactly. It is a problematic issue, to say the least. From Chabad.org: Jewish law distinguishes between donating organs during your lifetime and organ donation after death. While you are alive, to donate an organ that you can live without, like a kidney, or parts that will replenish themselves, like bone marrow or blood, in order to save or vastly improve another life is one of the greatest acts you could do.
In theory, the same should apply to donating organs after death. Being that saving lives overrides almost any other moral concern, the opportunity to do so after our death should be not only acceptable but even obligatory. So for example, though the Torah commands us to be buried whole, this command would step aside for the greater command to save lives.
But in practice, consenting to have your organs removed after death presents some heavy problems.
It is forbidden to tamper with a corpse in any way unless it is in order to directly save a life. But when you sign a consent form to have your organs removed, not all of those organs will necessarily be used for an immediate transplant. They may be used for research, or stored away, or even discarded if not needed. Jewish law only allows organ donation if it can be ensured that the organs will indeed be used to save lives.
But there is a much more serious concern. To be usable in a transplant, most organs have to be removed while the heart is still beating. But Jewish law maintains that if the heart is still beating, the person is still alive. The moment of death is defined as when the heart stops. So to remove organs from a brain dead patient while the heart is still beating is tantamount to murder.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 10:28:10 GMT -5
I have a list of what he takes. Now I will add to the list. Least of my worries. I actually dozed briefly and dreamed I died in car crash and DF got my heart. That won't work. Everyone on this forum knows you don't have a heart.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 10:30:00 GMT -5
There is that aspect!!
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Post by The Captain on May 29, 2014 10:31:29 GMT -5
Every major religion supports organ donation but some people have ideas of their own. Sign me, Already donated. Judaism does not. Well, not exactly. It is a problematic issue, to say the least. From Chabad.org: Jewish law distinguishes between donating organs during your lifetime and organ donation after death. While you are alive, to donate an organ that you can live without, like a kidney, or parts that will replenish themselves, like bone marrow or blood, in order to save or vastly improve another life is one of the greatest acts you could do.
In theory, the same should apply to donating organs after death. Being that saving lives overrides almost any other moral concern, the opportunity to do so after our death should be not only acceptable but even obligatory. So for example, though the Torah commands us to be buried whole, this command would step aside for the greater command to save lives.
But in practice, consenting to have your organs removed after death presents some heavy problems.
It is forbidden to tamper with a corpse in any way unless it is in order to directly save a life. But when you sign a consent form to have your organs removed, not all of those organs will necessarily be used for an immediate transplant. They may be used for research, or stored away, or even discarded if not needed. Jewish law only allows organ donation if it can be ensured that the organs will indeed be used to save lives.
But there is a much more serious concern. To be usable in a transplant, most organs have to be removed while the heart is still beating. But Jewish law maintains that if the heart is still beating, the person is still alive. The moment of death is defined as when the heart stops. So to remove organs from a brain dead patient while the heart is still beating is tantamount to murder.
Thanks for posting this. I've always wondered but was afraid to ask for risk of offending.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on May 29, 2014 10:35:06 GMT -5
Judaism does not. Well, not exactly. It is a problematic issue, to say the least. From Chabad.org: Jewish law distinguishes between donating organs during your lifetime and organ donation after death. While you are alive, to donate an organ that you can live without, like a kidney, or parts that will replenish themselves, like bone marrow or blood, in order to save or vastly improve another life is one of the greatest acts you could do.
In theory, the same should apply to donating organs after death. Being that saving lives overrides almost any other moral concern, the opportunity to do so after our death should be not only acceptable but even obligatory. So for example, though the Torah commands us to be buried whole, this command would step aside for the greater command to save lives.
But in practice, consenting to have your organs removed after death presents some heavy problems.
It is forbidden to tamper with a corpse in any way unless it is in order to directly save a life. But when you sign a consent form to have your organs removed, not all of those organs will necessarily be used for an immediate transplant. They may be used for research, or stored away, or even discarded if not needed. Jewish law only allows organ donation if it can be ensured that the organs will indeed be used to save lives.
But there is a much more serious concern. To be usable in a transplant, most organs have to be removed while the heart is still beating. But Jewish law maintains that if the heart is still beating, the person is still alive. The moment of death is defined as when the heart stops. So to remove organs from a brain dead patient while the heart is still beating is tantamount to murder.
Thanks for posting this. I've always wondered but was afraid to ask for risk of offending. Nah, don't worry. My people have been claiming offense for 5,774 years (that's the Hebrew year we are currently in). Nu, what's a little more?
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Post by bean29 on May 29, 2014 10:35:18 GMT -5
Later bloomer, It depends. Someone has to donate a heart first. The wait depends on how many people are waiting in your area, how sick they are, if they are hospitalized or not, blood type and other factors. Some people get listed at multiple hospitals in order to try to shorten the wait time. The patient has to be able to get to the hospital in a narrow window of time. <Beth steps up onto soapbox and clears her throat> Please sign up to be a donor. For me, it's sign the back of your driver's license and put a red sticker on it. And have discussions with your loved ones about being a donor or not. Obviously, I'm a donor and would like any useful parts harvested to help others. My DH doesn't feel the same but since we had the conversation, I know what not to do when the time arrives. This is important even if it seems like a hard or strange conversation to have. <Beth wipes her brow and steps down from soapbox.> Thanks Beth, I myself was debating saying something. I signed my donor card after DS's friend committed suicide a few years ago. He was kept on life support until the organs could be harvested. He was a minor and had signed his donor card, and everyone knew it. I suppose his parents could have nixed it but they did not. The kids friends went to Froedtert and kept a vigil until the organs were harvested and he was off life support. Everyone, friends and family seemed to find comfort that something good came out of his death. The next time I went to renew my drivers license and I had to decide if I wanted to be a donor, I said yes. I think everyone in my family signed the donor statement. I also was not aware this was going on. Hugs Zib. I hope all goes well.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 29, 2014 10:44:19 GMT -5
Yeah, you hate to have bad things happen to people but the number of people who sign up for blood, organ donation or platelets/bone marrow, anecdotally at least, does up when you know someone who needs one.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 10:48:55 GMT -5
Jewish religion is different.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 29, 2014 10:50:29 GMT -5
And when you get home, feel free to unplug the phone and doorbell so you guys can actually REST.
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Post by zibazinski on May 29, 2014 10:52:47 GMT -5
I went to the first Jewish education class and the Rabbi was adamant about it.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on May 29, 2014 10:57:47 GMT -5
Zib, I hope DF gets out of there soon and can get some actual rest.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 29, 2014 11:05:17 GMT -5
Zib, my Mom keeps a notebook for Dad's medical stuff. She goes to every appointment and writes downs everything. It probably helps that she knows shorthand... And she keeps a 2nd notebook for her sister too. YOu might want to start this. My stepmom does this for my dad too. She keeps EVERYTHING in this notebook, including his BP, weight, blood sugars and O2 levels. Drug changes as well.
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