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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 14, 2014 13:50:22 GMT -5
I can only hope that the deniers are like my kids, just can't fathom anyone being like that.
Unfortunately not. I was reading a book about skepticism and it mentions holocaust deniers. There are professional "experts" who do "research" that "proves" the holocaust never happened. It's insane.
You have them in every field unfortunately, history is no exception. The mental gymnastics they have to go thru to ignore the evidence is staggering. It must be exhausting to have to twist your brain around like that.
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Post by zibazinski on May 14, 2014 13:52:22 GMT -5
Well, those people have a special place waiting for them. Hell of their own making and design.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 13:53:28 GMT -5
My concern is how many people competing in mental gymnastics seem to hold positions of power... That might be my greatest concern going forward...
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Post by milee on May 14, 2014 14:21:15 GMT -5
Some people are really, truly, totally awful.
But a lot more people are really awesome.
We choose who to support, feed and nurture through our actions. From what we teach our own children to who we use our ignoring skills on, we do make a difference in shaping who the influencers are.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 14:29:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately sometimes it's about who is loudest... And most incideous. I was bouncing between here and facebook and someone had just posted, "if the decision is between right and kind, be kind and you'll be right all the time"... But maybe not? ... Sometimes you are too busy, or too polite, or too something to say, you know what lady, you are just batshit crazy, so stfu with that crap... Etc. It's not helped by a 'news media' that thinks fair and blanched means every nut job with a theory gets the same amount of time... I'm sure people at many times in history have been shocked to find what caught fire while they were busy doing other things, too late, to find themselves suddenly in the precarious minority... Eta: fair and balanced... Although some might deserve to be blanched
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Post by Angel! on May 14, 2014 14:32:24 GMT -5
It's not helped by a 'news media' that thinks fair and blanched means every nut job with a theory gets the same amount of time... It is sad because it is true. And then the public thinks there is a debate, when really none exists except for a few nutjobs.
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Post by imawino on May 14, 2014 14:51:12 GMT -5
It's not helped by a 'news media' that thinks fair and blanched means every nut job with a theory gets the same amount of time... It is sad because it is true. And then the public thinks there is a debate, when really none exists except for a few nutjobs. This is so true! I saw a hilarious commentary on this the other day (John Oliver's new show on HBO) where he was talking about how the debate on climate change is always presented. It's always Bill Nye showing up on the side of scientists and some climate change denier (quite frequently a politician, not necessarily a climate scientist) given equal representation against him, as though his position was equally as valid, despite the fact that pretty much the entire scientific community has agreed. So he brought out Bill Nye and 96 other scientists to talk to the three non-scientist people, to show what the debate should really look like.
I don't really know how to post links, but you can probably watch it here.
www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/05/john-oliver-bill-nye-climate-debate
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Post by Tennesseer on May 14, 2014 16:15:17 GMT -5
Was it Huffington Post ran an article recently saying 46% of those polled didn't believe the Holocaust was real. What the hell are they teaching in history classes? I remember learning about it in school and it had a profound impact on me. I can't watch any shows concerning it. I keep having visions of a little boy about 5 years old, standing behind a fence, crying. I really don't understand why anyone would think it wasn't real. Have you ever seen the movie 'The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas'? A very good but horrifying movie. The movie is about two eight-year-old boys; one a Jewish inmate in a Nazi extermination camp and the other, the son of the camp's commandant. The two boys become friends. Worth watching.
The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas (film)
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Post by zibazinski on May 14, 2014 16:18:23 GMT -5
I watched it. Twice. I wouldn't let my kids watch it but I did let them read the book.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 14, 2014 16:20:03 GMT -5
I watched it. Twice. I wouldn't let my kids watch it but I did let them read the book. AHA! So you don't have me on ignore.
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Post by zibazinski on May 14, 2014 16:35:11 GMT -5
Nope. I took everyone off.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 16:44:59 GMT -5
I forgot about that one... There are so many good books about WWII that you could easily overdo it. We are doing Berlin Boxing Club in the fall. Maus is also good. Like I said we just finished Book Thief and it was excellent.
How is the museum in DC? Trying to decide if we should do that this year...
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Post by zibazinski on May 14, 2014 16:47:29 GMT -5
It's good, too.
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Post by achelois on May 15, 2014 8:16:16 GMT -5
There is a lot of hatred and contempt directed against women by men in this country on some websites and news sites depending on the articles: for example, the pay gap, single mothers, child support, etc.
Some, most, are absolutely venomous and reading them turns my stomach. The fact that there are so many makes me wonder if there are ANY decent men in this country or in the world. Maybe some few, but doubtless a minority. Of course, then there are the rapes which seem very widespread and the kidnappings and the murders...
Yes, I try not to read them too much, but it is sometimes almost unavoidable.
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Post by zibazinski on May 15, 2014 8:20:01 GMT -5
But there are also women who hate all men with a passion as well. Just their voices are unheard because they are powerless which makes them even more angry. I am TRYING to keep in mind that hate only hurts the hater. I may need everyone's help in this because DFs precious wants a LOT of money from him for her wedding next year after treating him like shit for the past four. Please help me have the strength to just keep my mouth shut and walk out of the room. Btw, she informed her father I'M not to come with him. I seriously didnt know weddings for normal people could cost over 50k. To me, that's obscene.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:30:35 GMT -5
DF needs to get a backbone and tell her that if he's paying then you get to come and that is that. You want my money? Then my loves comes or you can pay for it yourself.
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Post by busymom on May 15, 2014 8:34:26 GMT -5
I agree with Beer. If she wants DF's money, then DF gets to make some rules. Otherwise, the "Princess" can pay for everything herself.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:36:46 GMT -5
"He who has the gold makes the rules."
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Post by zibazinski on May 15, 2014 8:42:05 GMT -5
I don't want this to be about me. It's between them. It's one day. I can stay home but DF agrees with you all. He will give her money and go to wedding but not reception if I'm not invited.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:43:48 GMT -5
Well, then, he doesn't agree with us because we believe he shouldn't give her money.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:46:43 GMT -5
Well, then, he doesn't agree with us because we believe he shouldn't give her money. There is no way in hell, I'd fork over 50K for a wedding and not be able to bring whoever I wanted and I'd want them treated like royalty as well.
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Post by mmhmm on May 15, 2014 8:47:33 GMT -5
Zib, I'm sorry. That really sucks. To my mind, if he wants to pay for the wedding it's his decision; however, there's no way I would pay for a wedding if told my SO couldn't attend. I'm paying? I set the rules. You pay? You set the rules. Anything else just doesn't make any sense to me, I'm afraid. I won't pay to be insulted, and I won't pay to have my SO insulted.
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Post by zibazinski on May 15, 2014 8:49:35 GMT -5
I know. I know. I know he shouldn't give her money and he knows he shouldn't give her money but he is what he is. She's his daughter. Not the hill I will die on. After the wedding, she will leave us alone again which is fine by me. Until the next time she wants something. If that's the relationship he's willing to settle for, well, he's a grown man. He makes his own choices.
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Post by zibazinski on May 15, 2014 8:50:40 GMT -5
He agrees with you all, trust me. But his heart rules his head. When I allowed that, my life sucked. Now that I use my head and let my heart follow, it's better.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:52:50 GMT -5
Zib, I'm sorry. That really sucks. To my mind, if he wants to pay for the wedding it's his decision; however, there's no way I would pay for a wedding if told my SO couldn't attend. I'm paying? I set the rules. You pay? You set the rules. Anything else just doesn't make any sense to me, I'm afraid. I won't pay to be insulted, and I won't pay to have my SO insulted. Sooooo We don't want to cause any strife but DF's relationship with her is messed up. And it's not going to get any better if he just keeps throwing money at her. No wonder she's a princess!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:55:59 GMT -5
If he can afford it (50$k on a wedding ), then fine, play out the relationship the way it's always been... But you get to go (if you wasn't to, or DF wants you there)... She shouldn't get to dictate that. Personally, I doubt I'd want to go to that ... I'd say how about send me yo a dap that weekend instead... But, if DF wants you there...
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Post by zibazinski on May 15, 2014 8:57:26 GMT -5
I'm aware of it and he's aware of it. Even his former stepkids are aware of it. When she said jump, he asked how high on the way up. He has a very great need to be loved and she, at least, fulfilled that need until I came along. Now he has a normal healthy adult relationship and she can't stand it. Only he can fix himself.
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Post by busymom on May 15, 2014 8:58:00 GMT -5
Just wow! Obviously, "Princess" never has learned to play by the rules, because no one has ever MADE her play nice. Princess is going to be mighty lonely in her old age. My Dad would've kicked my a$$ if I would have DARED to treat someone that way. (And, I would've deserved it!)
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Post by zibazinski on May 15, 2014 8:58:19 GMT -5
I'd rather be anywhere but there. Funny enough, DD wants to go because she wants to see how rich people get married!! She can be his date!!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:59:55 GMT -5
Honestly, I probably wouldn't want to go either if I was in your shoes. I might make a smart-assed remark. Ok, It's guaranteed I would make a smart-assed remark.
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