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Post by alabamagal on May 14, 2014 15:26:52 GMT -5
Ok, I keep seeing it............ what exactly *is* this "Southern" cooking you all hate? I'm curious, so be specific. One of first times I visited my MIL's house, dinner was fried shrimp, fried oysters, fried fish, hush puppies (fried bred), french fries and fried okra (supposedly a vegetable). My future DH had warned his mom that I was not southern, so she made me a salad of iceberg lettuce. She says the only dressing I have is mayonnaise. YUK!!! My MIL makes biscuits and puts about a full TBSP of butter on them. Had to break DH of that habit. MIL is thin BTW. There is some good southern food, but the bad things are a high amount of fried foods and vegetables cooked until soggy.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on May 14, 2014 15:30:48 GMT -5
Ok, I keep seeing it............ what exactly *is* this "Southern" cooking you all hate? I'm curious, so be specific. One of first times I visited my MIL's house, dinner was fried shrimp, fried oysters, fried fish, hush puppies (fried bred), french fries and fried okra (supposedly a vegetable). My future DH had warned his mom that I was not southern, so she made me a salad of iceberg lettuce. She says the only dressing I have is mayonnaise. YUK!!! My MIL makes biscuits and puts about a full TBSP of butter on them. Had to break DH of that habit. MIL is thin BTW. There is some good southern food, but the bad things are a high amount of fried foods and vegetables cooked until soggy. I've had the mayo salad dressing, the 96 year old again. She was a farmer's wife, he ate everything in sight and then some, she still doesn't know what to do with leftovers. He's also been dead almost 40 years. she still cooks like she's fueling a hungry farmer. I can't do lots of fried anything at one time, and honestly, I'd rather pay someone to fry my food at this point. I can get good fried chicken locally and have it a lot less often that way ETA: I do love most of the foods you mentioned (and the ones Athena mentioned earlier) but not all at one time and not regularly. I want to live to 96 myself.
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Post by wyouser on May 14, 2014 16:37:24 GMT -5
Rainyday, you don't care for German? You must have never tried a Schwarzwaelderkirschtorte. a chocolate and cherry delight. If authentic and includes "cherrywater (kirschwasser) beforwarned to have a designated driver if more than one piece is consumed. And then there are dumplings....over 1100 recipes..to die for. Reality is however...I will try most anything.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on May 14, 2014 17:08:39 GMT -5
That's hilarious that southern food is apparently = to fried foods. My DH is from a Midwest town 100miles outside of Chicago and you can't get a meal that doesn't have a fried component. And "salad" is iceberg lettuce. I grew up in Texas, but my family is southern from mississippi and Georgia. To me southern food is chicken pot pie, chicken and dumplings, biscuits and gravy, BBQ, grits, beans and cornbread etc... and of course some fried things like fried chicken, chicken fried steak, fried green tomatoes and fried okra.
Also- I know nothing of this overcooked veggie thing. Yuck!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 17:21:25 GMT -5
We hardly ever eat fried foods, but we do like our vegetables cooked and seasoned. I do my green beans with a tablespoon of olive oil and some Greek seasoning or a beef bouillon c. Squash is another tablespoon of olive oil and onions this time. But it does take a couple of hours to cook them, even if they are canned.
Nothing wrong with those "crisp" green beans. It's sort of like whether you eat your carrots raw or cooked. They are both good.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 17:25:05 GMT -5
That's hilarious that southern food is apparently = to fried foods. My DH is from a Midwest town 100miles outside of Chicago and you can't get a meal that doesn't have a fried component. And "salad" is iceberg lettuce. I grew up in Texas, but my family is southern from mississippi and Georgia. To me southern food is chicken pot pie, chicken and dumplings, biscuits and gravy, BBQ, grits, beans and cornbread etc... and of course some fried things like fried chicken, chicken fried steak, fried green tomatoes and fried okra. Also- I know nothing of this overcooked veggie thing. Yuck! Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards I'll agree with your list, but no one eats that stuff all the time. We eat a lot of grilled meats. Even bbq is basically grilled since the fat drips off while you are cooking it.
The veggies are only overcooked for people who like raw veggies like carrots and green beans as opposed to cooked veggies.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 17:27:22 GMT -5
We hardly ever eat fried foods, but we do like our vegetables cooked and seasoned. I do my green beans with a tablespoon of olive oil and some Greek seasoning or a beef bouillon c. Squash is another tablespoon of olive oil and onions this time. But it does take a couple of hours to cook them, even if they are canned.
Nothing wrong with those "crisp" green beans. It's sort of like whether you eat your carrots raw or cooked. They are both good. you cook vegetables for a couple of hours? oy vey! do you have to eat them with a spoon?
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Post by sarcasticgirl on May 14, 2014 17:44:44 GMT -5
That's hilarious that southern food is apparently = to fried foods. My DH is from a Midwest town 100miles outside of Chicago and you can't get a meal that doesn't have a fried component. And "salad" is iceberg lettuce. I grew up in Texas, but my family is southern from mississippi and Georgia. To me southern food is chicken pot pie, chicken and dumplings, biscuits and gravy, BBQ, grits, beans and cornbread etc... and of course some fried things like fried chicken, chicken fried steak, fried green tomatoes and fried okra. Also- I know nothing of this overcooked veggie thing. Yuck! Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards I'll agree with your list, but no one eats that stuff all the time. We eat a lot of grilled meats. Even bbq is basically grilled since the fat drips off while you are cooking it.
The veggies are only overcooked for people who like raw veggies like carrots and green beans as opposed to cooked veggies.
Pohtaytoh, pahtahtoh.
Of course, we certainly didn't eat these daily. Generally it was grilled or baked mean with veggie and starch. That is pretty typical of just about everyone I knew growing up... Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards
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Post by chiver78 on May 14, 2014 17:46:28 GMT -5
We hardly ever eat fried foods, but we do like our vegetables cooked and seasoned. I do my green beans with a tablespoon of olive oil and some Greek seasoning or a beef bouillon c. Squash is another tablespoon of olive oil and onions this time. But it does take a couple of hours to cook them, even if they are canned.
Nothing wrong with those "crisp" green beans. It's sort of like whether you eat your carrots raw or cooked. They are both good. you cook vegetables for a couple of hours? oy vey! do you have to eat them with a spoon? I think I overcooked the asparagus that will be added to my risotto at the last second later tonight, and I barely boiled the stalks for 3 minutes. but, for the record, I think I'd rather have overcooked canned veggies than what my aunts do up in NB - open the can and pour it in a bowl.
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Post by lazysundays on May 14, 2014 17:52:28 GMT -5
Korean BBQ!
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Post by Sunnyday on May 14, 2014 17:56:26 GMT -5
That's hilarious that southern food is apparently = to fried foods. My DH is from a Midwest town 100miles outside of Chicago and you can't get a meal that doesn't have a fried component. And "salad" is iceberg lettuce. I grew up in Texas, but my family is southern from mississippi and Georgia. To me southern food is chicken pot pie, chicken and dumplings, biscuits and gravy, BBQ, grits, beans and cornbread etc... and of course some fried things like fried chicken, chicken fried steak, fried green tomatoes and fried okra. Also- I know nothing of this overcooked veggie thing. Yuck! Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards That's the thing! Of everything you mentioned, the only thing I like is BBQ. I like dumplings, but not the way they make it in the south. I do like cornbread on occasion. And I hate sweet tea!! It's so gross. I don't even like the cake texture of peach cobblers and I hate pecan pie (I don't like pecans). I don't like pie crusts, but I love pie filling!!! I also don't like southern-style biscuits. I like lemon meringue pie. Is that southern? And call me a freak, but fried chicken makes me feel queasy and sick to my stomach. I'm no expert in Southern cooking, but I've had it enough to know that it's not for me. And if your husband is from central Illinois, that is limit Southern to me. The locals all speak with a drawl. It's not southern, but it sure as hell ain't northern Illinois.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 18:03:15 GMT -5
We hardly ever eat fried foods, but we do like our vegetables cooked and seasoned. I do my green beans with a tablespoon of olive oil and some Greek seasoning or a beef bouillon c. Squash is another tablespoon of olive oil and onions this time. But it does take a couple of hours to cook them, even if they are canned.
Nothing wrong with those "crisp" green beans. It's sort of like whether you eat your carrots raw or cooked. They are both good. you cook vegetables for a couple of hours? oy vey! do you have to eat them with a spoon? Well, we don't cook them on HIGH or even medium for a couple of hours. You cook them on an extremely low temperature until they are tender, not crispy or crunchy or even chewy. But you eat them with a fork. Duh. Nobody likes mush. Canned vegetables aren't tender or tasty. You have to do something to improve them.
My real point is that Southern veggies are only overcooked if you like "crisp" veggies. Sometimes you do, and sometimes you don't. The crisp ones are better just raw. The cooked ones are better with seasoning and slow cooking.
Try a raw black-eyed pea and get back to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 18:05:40 GMT -5
you cook vegetables for a couple of hours? oy vey! do you have to eat them with a spoon? I think I overcooked the asparagus that will be added to my risotto at the last second later tonight, and I barely boiled the stalks for 3 minutes. but, for the record, I think I'd rather have overcooked canned veggies than what my aunts do up in NB - open the can and pour it in a bowl. You couldn't pay me to eat asparagus; it is slimy. So I definitely don't overcook it because I don't cook it. I leave it at the store for those of you who like it.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 18:06:21 GMT -5
you cook vegetables for a couple of hours? oy vey! do you have to eat them with a spoon? Well, we don't cook them on HIGH or even medium for a couple of hours. You cook them on an extremely low temperature until they are tender, not crispy or crunchy or even chewy. But you eat them with a fork. Duh. Nobody likes mush. Canned vegetables aren't tender or tasty. You have to do something to improve them.
My real point is that Southern veggies are only overcooked if you like "crisp" veggies. Sometimes you do, and sometimes you don't. The crisp ones are better just raw. The cooked ones are better with seasoning and slow cooking.
Try a raw black-eyed pea and get back to me.
I wouldn't eat a canned vegetable if you paid me blech! I don't eat cooked black-eyes peas so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't eat one raw either. I cook my veggies on medium or low and they're done in a few minutes....and you still use seasoning on them - not sure why that would change.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 18:09:55 GMT -5
I think I overcooked the asparagus that will be added to my risotto at the last second later tonight, and I barely boiled the stalks for 3 minutes. but, for the record, I think I'd rather have overcooked canned veggies than what my aunts do up in NB - open the can and pour it in a bowl. You couldn't pay me to eat asparagus; it is slimy. So I definitely don't overcook it because I don't cook it. I leave it at the store for those of you who like it. It's only slimy if you overcook it
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 18:31:58 GMT -5
To each his/her own.
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Post by chiver78 on May 14, 2014 18:44:33 GMT -5
You couldn't pay me to eat asparagus; it is slimy. So I definitely don't overcook it because I don't cook it. I leave it at the store for those of you who like it. It's only slimy if you overcook it it's outstanding when grilled with a little EVOO and a dusting of sea salt. tonight, it's going to be mixed in with some cheesy risotto, so it'll be fine.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 18:50:16 GMT -5
It's only slimy if you overcook it it's outstanding when grilled with a little EVOO and a dusting of sea salt. tonight, it's going to be mixed in with some cheesy risotto, so it'll be fine. And that's fine. It's cooked the way you like it.
I think it's less fine when my region's method of cooking is completely denigrated without acknowledging that there are different strokes for different folks. I have tried to model that acknowledgment over and over, but it's not taking.
I wouldn't eat your asparagus, and someone else wouldn't eat my green beans.
That doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It makes us US.
Just saying . . .
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Post by achelois on May 14, 2014 18:53:36 GMT -5
I am pretty much ok with anything that doesn't get up off the plate and walk away. Except Brussels sprouts.
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Post by chiver78 on May 14, 2014 19:04:45 GMT -5
it's outstanding when grilled with a little EVOO and a dusting of sea salt. tonight, it's going to be mixed in with some cheesy risotto, so it'll be fine. And that's fine. It's cooked the way you like it.
I think it's less fine when my region's method of cooking is completely denigrated without acknowledging that there are different strokes for different folks. I have tried to model that acknowledgment over and over, but it's not taking.
I wouldn't eat your asparagus, and someone else wouldn't eat my green beans.
That doesn't make either of us right or wrong. It makes us US.
Just saying . . .
no offense was meant, I was just offering other ways to not overcook it to slime. neither of my parents will touch asparagus, so I'm not entirely sure how or when I figured out how awesome it actually is. haha.... how do you make your green beans? I'm pretty sure the only way I won't eat them is smothered in cream of something and baked under crunchy fake onions. I've never actually had green bean casserole, but I don't think there's any way I'll voluntarily try it now after having seen some recipes. when I was a kid, my mom favored the canned "French Cut" style, which is damn near impossible to *not* overcook.
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Post by chiver78 on May 14, 2014 19:07:17 GMT -5
I am pretty much ok with anything that doesn't get up off the plate and walk away. Except Brussels sprouts. Brussels sprouts are amazing when cooked properly. I'm sorry you don't like them.
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Post by achelois on May 14, 2014 19:12:53 GMT -5
I am pretty much ok with anything that doesn't get up off the plate and walk away. Except Brussels sprouts. Brussels sprouts are amazing when cooked properly. I'm sorry you don't like them. It isn't the fault of the Brussels sprouts. I got really sick once as a child, happened to have had them for dinner and they came back up. I just haven't been able to overcome the negative association. Although, truthfully, I really haven't made a concerted effort to do so.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 19:15:29 GMT -5
I don't mean to be rude, but I'd guess veggies cooked that long lack any residual nutritional value or taste, thus I guess why they necessitate more seasoning.
I think it's perfectly ok that anyone eat stuff however they choose, but I'm not sure why it offends you that people think hours might be too long to cook veggies.
I do cook stuffed cabbages that long though!
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Post by sarcasticgirl on May 14, 2014 19:19:04 GMT -5
That's hilarious that southern food is apparently = to fried foods. My DH is from a Midwest town 100miles outside of Chicago and you can't get a meal that doesn't have a fried component. And "salad" is iceberg lettuce. I grew up in Texas, but my family is southern from mississippi and Georgia. To me southern food is chicken pot pie, chicken and dumplings, biscuits and gravy, BBQ, grits, beans and cornbread etc... and of course some fried things like fried chicken, chicken fried steak, fried green tomatoes and fried okra. Also- I know nothing of this overcooked veggie thing. Yuck! Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards That's the thing! Of everything you mentioned, the only thing I like is BBQ. I like dumplings, but not the way they make it in the south. I do like cornbread on occasion. And I hate sweet tea!! It's so gross. I don't even like the cake texture of peach cobblers and I hate pecan pie (I don't like pecans). I don't like pie crusts, but I love pie filling!!! I also don't like southern-style biscuits. I like lemon meringue pie. Is that southern? And call me a freak, but fried chicken makes me feel queasy and sick to my stomach. I'm no expert in Southern cooking, but I've had it enough to know that it's not for me. And if your husband is from central Illinois, that is limit Southern to me. The locals all speak with a drawl. It's not southern, but it sure as hell ain't northern Illinois. what is a southern style biscuit? I know like... 3 different ways to make biscuits, but have now idea what is considered "southern style" of course i have the Texan and the southern that mix together. sometimes I am not sure which is which. i won't call you crazy because for the majority of my life I wouldn't pull meat off of a bone. it grossed me out so badly. I fully understand and appreciate that not everyone likes the same things and a lot of our tastes are shaped by our childhood. I love nearly everything I mentioned, but don't eat them very often. DH is from 100 SW of illinois. Starved Rock area. Not sure if that is central illinois or not? but they don't speak with a drawl. but I know what you mean... I went to the illinois state fair in springfield once and thought I had been dropped into the dirty deep south! lol
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Post by chiver78 on May 14, 2014 19:19:10 GMT -5
Brussels sprouts are amazing when cooked properly. I'm sorry you don't like them. It isn't the fault of the Brussels sprouts. I got really sick once as a child, happened to have had them for dinner and they came back up. I just haven't been able to overcome the negative association. Although, truthfully, I really haven't made a concerted effort to do so. that's totally fair! I got food poisoning once from something else, and some honey BBQ wings came back up along for the ride. I wasn't a huge fan to begin with, I doubt I'll ever eat that particular flavor again.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 19:19:42 GMT -5
Chiver, I put a tablespoon of olive oil and either some Greek seasoning or some beef bullion. Then I cook them until they are "tender." Tender is a relative word, but mine don't have to be cut with a fork or knife. They aren't BIG enough to be cut with a knife or fork. We usually string them and snap them unless they are in a can. They definitely are nowhere close to mush. Canned veggies don't work for everyone, but everyone doesn't always have access or be able to afford fresh foods. I'm waiting for you guys to say food stamp recipients can't buy veggies in a can.
I don't like green bean casserole particularly either. I rarely make it (maybe twice in the last 15 years), and I always substitute green peas for one of the cans of green beans. It's like putting a can of veg-all into Shepherd's Pie, which is WAY better than a can of just green beans. You don't HAVE to follow the recipe. It is guidance.
The French cut are awful, period. The idea behind my seasoning and cooking is to have the veggie absorb the seasoning. I similarly hate both shoestring and thin (McDonald's) fries. I only cook steak fries, and I bake them. If you don't want potato, why are you pretending you do?
Southern cooking is unique to the South. That doesn't make it better or worse than any other regional cuisine. I hate sour kraut so I don't think I could do a Chicago 'dog no matter how "good" it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 19:26:53 GMT -5
I don't mean to be rude, but I'd guess veggies cooked that long lack any residual nutritional value or taste, thus I guess why they necessitate more seasoning. I think it's perfectly ok that anyone eat stuff however they choose, but I'm not sure why it offends you that people think hours might be too long to cook veggies. I do cook stuffed cabbages that long though! It only offended me because people think we cook vegetables until they are "mush." Um, no. We cook them until they are "done."
Crispy green beans (my favorite example because I like them) are great. But they aren't "done." They are somewhere in the twilight zone between raw and done. That's fine. They are yummy in their own way.
They are neither better or worse than the way I like veggies.
I don't think veggies cooked as long as I cook them "lack any residual nutritional value or taste." They are simply more tender. The nutritional value requires an expert to weigh in; otherwise, it's personal opinion. So is taste. I like "flavor" with my veggies, which I have tried to explain doesn't come from fat, etc. Olive oil is supposedly good for you. The Greek seasoning, etc. adds taste.
One more time . . . to each his/her own.
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Post by steff on May 14, 2014 22:31:41 GMT -5
wow, I never knew Southern food was so disliked. I'll just take the fried chicken & waffles I made for dinner tonight elsewhere to share. *le sigh* I guess no one wants any of my leftover black eye'd peas & cornbread that were lunch either. (for the record, I don't like cornbread. I made it for hubby).
Moving on sadly with my Southern food....
Ok, I'm over it....
when hubby & I go out to eat it's pretty standard Chinese Real Mexican Steaks Seafood
When kiddo & I go out to eat, we have more variety to pick from Chinese Japanese/snushi!!!! Real Mexican Italian (not Olive Garden) Indian Thai Jamaican Cajun
We do live in Georgia, so most of those we have to go thru a few places before we find one that isn't "Americanized" out of real flavor.
At home, hubby is a meat & potatoes guy. I can sneak fish in for him if it's fried catfish or grilled trout. Otherwise it ain't happening. I do a lot of TexMex (enchilladas, tacos, fajitas) and basic Italian (spaghetti sauce, meatballs, lasagna, stuffed shells, Italian pot roasts). and then we get to our hearts....Southern cooking. Chicken fried steaks, fried chicken, chili (NO beans in chili!), beans & cornbread (if you want beans, make beans!) , smoked meats (briskets, ribs), BBQ, chicken n dumplings,....i think I'll make chicken n dumplings tomorrow....they sound good right now.
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Post by marvholly on May 15, 2014 5:46:03 GMT -5
Thought of another ethnic I do NOT eat: Korean. Like it BUT it doesn't like me. Talks back at 2 am.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 6:17:22 GMT -5
I don't think we eat cuisines exactly. It's just a jumble up of stuff. I'll put crispy tofu with nearly anything, including savory peanut butter. I also think that soy sauce, pesto or cajun spice will improve any just about any main dish. Miso soup, curry sauces or chili have have almost no limits for acceptable ingredients that I can find. I really like cultured food, and make my own sauerkraut. I'll plunk some of that in tacos or eat it in a bowl off to the side with whatever. I like salsa mixed into Italian red sauce. I'll put anything in wonton wrappers, between bread, or on pizza. Not joking. Those can all be desserts with cream cheese mixes or jelly. DH makes burgers that are more meatloaf than anything else... mushrooms, soy sauce, onions, egg, he'll put all sorts of stuff in a burger. Pretty much, from twinkies to seaweed, I like food, (DH not so much on the seaweed) but cooking true to cuisine feels like a hassle and more expensive. So we eat jumble ups based on vague ideas and what we have, what we get, or what vegetables need to be used up. I like Mexican the most when we eat out, but we don't do it often. DH eats out the most right now since he travels; he's become immensely fond of Pakistani cuisine in Saudi. Re Southern Cooking: I got introduced to cheesy grits, okra and tomatoes, fried okra, lima beans, and pan fish living in this area. I will always be grateful. Those are very delightful things I planted a whole bed of okra this year. It's the best crispy fried vegetable in my mind, better than anything in the usual tempura line up.
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