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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 8:06:09 GMT -5
I can eat the same number of calories, and gain or lose depending on what foods they come from. It really is more chemistry than just math.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 10, 2014 8:06:47 GMT -5
I want health, stamina, muscle tone. I love that I can see the results in my belly. I always joked that I was allergic to the gym, but I love how HAPPY I feel after a workout. Love that chemical release high. Same here. I HATED working out when I started. HATED IT. Now I know the runner's high is not a myth! My new favorite body part is my thighs. I love how strong they're becoming and the muscle tone that is popping through. Ive surprised myself in how much my attitude has changed in the past two years.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 10, 2014 8:11:01 GMT -5
Ava, I hope this community can give you support. I know we are all strangers living in your computer but I am rooting for you! Making any change in your lifestyle, even small ones, can be tough. If you ever need to reach out, please do! You can do this!
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Post by lazysundays on May 10, 2014 8:14:34 GMT -5
Some foods will make you gain weight from water weight, that why those one week fad diets work. They focus on eliminating foods that cause water retention from salty foods and bloating from well known culprits like brocolli. When I eat salty snacks like chips or hunter's sausage, I don't lose weight, and then it plunges down to expect goal in my app graph.
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Post by steph08 on May 10, 2014 8:28:25 GMT -5
Online it said whole was 12.35 and 2% was 12.39. I didn't look at skim. Like I said, I think Meghan was right in that less fat means more of a sugar spike being the problem associated with lower fat milks being correlated to higher weight gain, from the literature. We are not a dairy household. There are conflicting studies about it. Some say that it is actually whole milk and full-fat versions of dairy products that cause blood sugar spikes because of the amount of saturated fats. Others say that 1 or 2% are better because they have less fat but still have fat to help absorb the sugar. My GD dietician and the literature that I have read says that diabetes patients, and I am sure it applies to others, should replace whole milk with 1% or skim because of the amount of fats. My skim milk has 12g sugar per 8 ounce serving. It doesn't spike my sugar - I only know because I have to test four times/day. I haven't tried any other milk versions to know if they spike it or not. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But I also don't just have a glass of milk as a meal/snack, I pair it with food. I think, like everything else, some things work for some people and other things work for other people. Meghan - after running for so long, my thighs, while bigger than ever, are my favorite body part too. They are solid muscle; it is awesome. Sometimes I flex them and make people punch them to see how muscular they are!
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Post by lazysundays on May 10, 2014 8:33:52 GMT -5
The people who gain weight/ bloat with milk or gluten. Have you been lactose/ gluten allergy tested?
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 10, 2014 8:34:16 GMT -5
I do the same thing! I make hubs punch my thigh!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 8:39:56 GMT -5
I think everyone needs to find out what works for them and their body. I think suggesting to people that it is merely a numbers game, calories in and out, does a great disservice and misunderstands the situation of many people. I always lost weight by working out when i was young. So when I put weight on with kids i tried many times to institute work out regimes... with no impact. I didn't lose weight when i gave up gluten, but I felt better in other ways. I lost 20 lb in the months immediately after giving up corn. No extra exercise. No real reduction in calories. I then spent months with a food journal. I didn't do any more exercise than the normal 1-2 X a week yoga, but I lost another 25 lb. During that time I ate good chocolate and/or french fries/ or potato chips every day... fried salted potatoes don't make ME retain water , or any other kind of weight. Neither does broccoli, i eat it every day. What does are things like soy, sweet potatoes, peas, too much coconut (
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 8:41:49 GMT -5
The people who gain weight/ bloat with milk or gluten. Have you been lactose/ gluten allergy tested? Why bother? The tests aren't all that accurate anyway. If i feel better and lose weight not eating something, why would i need someone to tell me I shouldn't eat it? My mom gets severe stomach pains on gluten. She went back on it, cause you have to test, for 2 weeks, sick every day, and the test was negative... why would I put myself through that? I am not a big believer in tests for things like that. If it works for you, makes you feel better and your body responds positively... that's what you do.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on May 10, 2014 8:49:58 GMT -5
I can eat the same number of calories, and gain or lose depending on what foods they come from. It really is more chemistry than just math. 100% true for me. A calorie isn't just a calorie. The nutrients are vitally important. And what you put in your body determines what you crave. Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 8:54:25 GMT -5
500 calories per day = 1 pound a week. Very basic. Eat 500 more a day, you gain. Exercise off 500 a day or limit food intake by 500 a day, or I prefer a combo of the two to equal 500 calories a day, and you lose 1 pound a week. That's why it's ok to be more hungry after a workout. I go to the gym after work at 9 pm. If I go over by only 200 calories that day, I only have to work out to lose 200 calories to be at goal. I am more likely to exercise 400-500 calories, so I am starting tomorrow with extra calorie allowance. I use some of it to feed myself extra because I'm hungry from last night. So why exercise if I just eat it back? Because I want health, stamina, muscle tone. I love that I can see the results in my belly. I always joked that I was allergic to the gym, but I love how HAPPY I feel after a workout. Love that chemical release high. while that works on paper, losing weight is not an exact science. everyone is different and every person has their own little quirks of what foods work for them to lose weight.
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Post by Ava on May 10, 2014 9:07:31 GMT -5
Yes, it's a combination of putting on weight easily and emotional eating, combined with sitting in an office all day. It's more like an addiction. I don't drink alcohol, do drugs, or smoke, but I overeat. That's why I understand addicts. It's an illness; it's incredibly difficult to get out of it. I've tried many, many times, I've seen doctors, I've have doctors be snarky at me because of my weight issues, I've been ridiculed by some family members and some friends. Even my mother was getting on the action; each time she saw me she would comment on how fat I was, and how lazy and stupid for letting it happen to me. Until I sat her down and told her; this is who I am, if you can't accept me then I'm out of your life. Of course she's thin, my brother is thin, my nephew is thin, and all my family on her side are thin. She couldn't understand I guess, but she realized I was serious about cutting our relationship and she is now more supportive. If she lived here full time, I'm sure I would have a healthier weight because I feel so happy to share my home and my time with someone I love. It makes a huge different to have someone on your corner. I am not seeing any therapist right now. As you all know; mental health in this country is expensive and not easily available. My insurance is pretty bad; high deductibles that I never reach. There's a group therapy I'm considering joining. It's not specifically for overeating, it's more for emotional issues. That's what I feel I need; a supportive environment. My employer offers one of those anonymous numbers that you can call. I don't know if that would work. It makes me paranoid that they may found out. It's only three phone sessions per issue per year. I know that three phone conversations won't solve my problem. I rather get help on my own. I am mildly confident I can get things going. Doing some physical activity should help, if not to lose weight at least to feel happier and get more energy. I've done walking in the past and it helped with depression. I'm off to check out the YMCA pool now.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 10, 2014 9:09:14 GMT -5
Cookies Galore or anyone else who used myfitnespal - how did you input things that didn't have 'calories' on them? also, what did you do when you were eating out?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 9:12:33 GMT -5
Seriously, get The Plan and for a week or two eat only the foods on the Least Reactive list and then write everything down and test new things and see if something feels different.
I eat chicken, carrots, zucchini, onions, broccoli and raw cashews stir fried in olive oil regularly. I stop eating when i'm full. If i put a little lime and honey on it. I stop when I'm full. I put a little red pepper flakes in, I stop when i'm full. ... I put anything with soy or coconut aminos in there and I just won't want to stop eating it until every last morsel is gone... even though it makes me feel bad.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on May 10, 2014 9:46:32 GMT -5
Cookies Galore or anyone else who used myfitnespal - how did you input things that didn't have 'calories' on them? also, what did you do when you were eating out? i use MFP... but i don't think i understand the question regarding things that don't have calories on them? when going out to eat, it is a best guess scenario. some major chains have their calories online (and in the MFP data base) but honestly, even that is a guestimation. there are no chefs measuring out their ingredients as they cook up an entree. I don't eat at chain restaurants... but if I go to a local italian place for spaghetti carbonara, then I would choice to log it as like... spaghetti carbonara from the olive garden. Again, with the understanding that... it is basically a "ballpark" figure.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on May 10, 2014 9:47:51 GMT -5
I want health, stamina, muscle tone. I love that I can see the results in my belly. I always joked that I was allergic to the gym, but I love how HAPPY I feel after a workout. Love that chemical release high. Same here. I HATED working out when I started. HATED IT. Now I know the runner's high is not a myth! My new favorite body part is my thighs. I love how strong they're becoming and the muscle tone that is popping through. Ive surprised myself in how much my attitude has changed in the past two years. running gives you a rocking ass too!!!
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 10, 2014 10:09:10 GMT -5
Cookies Galore or anyone else who used myfitnespal - how did you input things that didn't have 'calories' on them? also, what did you do when you were eating out? i use MFP... but i don't think i understand the question regarding things that don't have calories on them? when going out to eat, it is a best guess scenario. some major chains have their calories online (and in the MFP data base) but honestly, even that is a guestimation. there are no chefs measuring out their ingredients as they cook up an entree. I don't eat at chain restaurants... but if I go to a local italian place for spaghetti carbonara, then I would choice to log it as like... spaghetti carbonara from the olive garden. Again, with the understanding that... it is basically a "ballpark" figure. oh ok. yeah, that's what I was asking - when you eat out and the menu doesn't list any calories, etc - I was curious as to how people account for that.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 10, 2014 10:12:57 GMT -5
i use MFP... but i don't think i understand the question regarding things that don't have calories on them? when going out to eat, it is a best guess scenario. some major chains have their calories online (and in the MFP data base) but honestly, even that is a guestimation. there are no chefs measuring out their ingredients as they cook up an entree. I don't eat at chain restaurants... but if I go to a local italian place for spaghetti carbonara, then I would choice to log it as like... spaghetti carbonara from the olive garden. Again, with the understanding that... it is basically a "ballpark" figure. oh ok. yeah, that's what I was asking - when you eat out and the menu doesn't list any calories, etc - I was curious as to how people account for that. I do what sarcastic girl does when I go out to eat. It's all guesswork so if I'm in the ballpark of nutritional content then it's good enough for me.
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Post by lazysundays on May 10, 2014 10:37:45 GMT -5
Eating out is the easier part. Everything on the menu can be found in their huge directory of food. You type in pesto and cream cheese stuffed chicken and there's already info on multiple versions of it. I usually pick the one with the most carbs and you can also adjust for size. If it really isn't on the list, go to calorie counter website and find it and manually add it to myfitnesspal. Why not just use the calorie counter app? I tried it, it's horrible - does not set a real goal. Myfitnesspal adjusts for how much you move at baseline- deskjob or more Mobile store clerk. Then it takes how much you weigh and tells you how much to eat based on goal (will set it up to lose a healthy one pound a week) and makes a different calorie goal for diff people. For example with calorie counter both my coworker and I have a goal of 2000 calories. With my fitness pal, my friend that moves about a lot at work and is probably around 180 lbs has a goal around 1600 calories. I have a desk job with starting weight of 135. My goal is only 1200 calories. Do I go over sometimes, sure but that's ok I'm still losing weight. I think of myfitnesspal like the free version of weight watchers. Instead of counting points, we count true calories. And someone said weight watchers allows for a once a week freebie of extra calories. I treat the occasional overage as the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 11:12:39 GMT -5
Ava, you might want to focus on what makes you feel good rather than losing weight. I've BTDT with overeating/binging and while it makes you feel numb it's not a happy feeling and afterward the guilt and self-loathing can send you further down the hole. OTOH taking a walk can make you feel incredibly good if it's in a pretty place and a nice day or connecting with a friend on the phone. You might want to try something like restorative yoga - people of any size can do it. You can be injured, very overweight, and a complete klutz. You do gentle stretching and a lot of supported poses while lying on the floor. It's helpful for releasing stress and becoming more in tune with your body, which is kind of a must whenever you are fighting any sort of body/weight disorder. I make glasses of water luxe with mint,watermelon or pineapple. DH laughs because my water always has something floating in it. It helps make it feel less like deprivation. If the food is an addiction you are going to have to find some sort of swap out for the addictive behavior - like if you always eat in front of the tv pick up knitting in front of the tv instead. I agree- calorie-counting and WW alone won't address issues that make you overeat. Fortunately I don't have emotional issues around eating but I know that for those who do it's a real struggle.
As for chain restaurant nutritional info- it's probably pretty accurate. Chains want predictability. You can't have the cooks at Olive Garden in Columbus putting more olive oil in the sauce or more butter on the garlic bread, than the cooks in Denver. People who live in Columbus and visit the one in Denver, or vice versa, might notice. It can also cut down on profits (or enhance profits if they're serving short portions). I've never been in the kitchen of a chain restaurant but I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of things that were already pre-portioned and refrigerated or frozen, then shipped to the restaurant for assembly.
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Post by tloonya on May 10, 2014 11:29:05 GMT -5
I season my loaf of bread correctly - I can eat it whole?
Yes ........... try a loaf of bread without sodium. I am imagining the taste
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Post by sesfw on May 10, 2014 12:05:07 GMT -5
I am imagining the taste
It's pretty bad. Haven't had a loaf of bread in the house in a couple of years.
When DH had his heart attack is when we cut down on sodium. I lost DH#1 to sudden heart attack and I'm not ready to go through that again.
While he was in hospital I did a lot of research on the internet, then cleaned out the pantry. Now we have a small container of sea salt for company, Lo-Salt I use infrequently, and No-Salt (potassium) I use when something needs to be perked up.
Otherwise it's fresh or frozen veggies, fresh fruits, Mrs Dash seasoned protein, unsalted butter. Definitely an acquired taste and now we can taste the sodium in a lot of different foods when we eat out.
Dark chocolate is a life savor when we get a sweet attack.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 12:53:35 GMT -5
Ava, I suffer from Major Depressive Disorder and a couple years ago weighed nearly 400 pounds. I have now lost over 100 pounds.
For me, mental health is a major thing. When my medication is working, and I am feeling functional, then eating just isn't as big of an issue for me. I no longer crave sugar and carbs. Weird but true.
For exercise, find something you like to do and do that as often as possible. For me, I use cleaning up in my yard or house. If the weather is bad I get out the vacuum and spend an hour sucking up any dirt and cob webs while I work up a sweat.
When the weather is nice outside I go out and don't come back in until I feel like passing out.
For me, the solution seems to be only having whole foods in my house, very little in a box or can, and then moving. No mater what I eat, or don't, I never lose weight without exercise.
I recently had that "runners high" feeling from working out in the yard. I was sitting in the bathtub exhausted and I felt GREAT. It was a first and I have to say something to try to keep after.
I also find that my depression is helped a lot by the time spent in the sun (I am vit. D deficient) and moving around.
You can do it. Make a long-term plan to lose like 5 pounds a month. Mine was 50 per year for 3 years. Time passes anyway, you can do this!
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Post by drivingaround on May 10, 2014 13:12:55 GMT -5
You might want to try something like restorative yoga - people of any size can do it. You can be injured, very overweight, and a complete klutz. You do gentle stretching and a lot of supported poses while lying on the floor. It's helpful for releasing stress and becoming more in tune with your body, which is kind of a must whenever you are fighting any sort of body/weight disorder. Finally, a yoga for normal folk! I've never heard of this type so going to get DW and I signed up! My mentor is constantly reminding me I need to be more mindful and attuned and that yoga is a documented activity to help with those. I went to one traditional class and felt so out of place, it was not at all peaceful for me.
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Post by Pants on May 10, 2014 13:33:10 GMT -5
ava - if you are emotionally eating, that needs different solutions than regular overeating. I have a friend who was a big emotional eater whose therapist told her to tape a sign up in her kitchen where she would see it whenever she went to get food. Something along the lines of: Am I lonely? Am I upset? Am I bored? Am I tired? Am I sad? Am I angry? etc. in order to help her recognize what she was feeling when she overate. If she went down the list and the answer was no, I'm just hungry, then she ate whatever it was she wanted to eat. But if she recognized what she was feeling was emotional rather than physical, it gave her the chance to make the decision to eat or not. It wasn't a reflex any more, if she wanted to eat her feelings she had to actively decide to do that.
My second thought is that it's hard to overeat celery. That sounds dumb, I know, but if you only keep healthy food in your house, you really only have that access to healthy foods when you are having an emotional reflex to eat.
Third thought is that medication for your underlying depression may help with your weight. (It may also hurt, I know some anti-depressants cause weight gain, but it might be worth looking into.) If you are eating so much because you are desperately unhappy, helping yourself be happier may help?
Have you checked about whether there is an overeaters anonymous board on the internet? I imagine there must be?
Good luck, and I hope that you feel better - emotionally and physically - moving forward.
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Post by Ava on May 10, 2014 14:11:47 GMT -5
Thanks for all the good wishes and the advice. It's difficult to understand if you have never gone through it. "Keep healthy food in the house". Been there, done that. There's a McDonald's open 24 hours two blocks from my home. "Put signs in your fridge". When I want to eat I'm not going to stop and read signs. I'm going to open the fridge and eat. All these are good ideas and very well intentioned. But it doesn't work. The problem is inside my head, until I don't find out why and how to deal with it, it won't work. I tried Overeaters Anonymous a few years back. I liked going to their meetings, but it didn't help. Maybe it was a problem of that particular group. They would bring up a topic, read it from the literature, and then comment on it. That was the meeting. It was very structured, kind of rigid. Until one day, when it was my turn to talk, I told them I didn't want to discuss literature. I told them how I felt about certain things in my life that were very painful. I told them I overeat and I'm ashamed of it. I told them it was painful. They cried, I cried. And everybody felt very uncomfortable. The group members were really nice people and I kept going until my work schedule changed. But it didn't impact my behavior or my feelings at all. Online meetings don't do anything for me. I need to be face to face with other people. I checked OA earlier today and they have more meetings now, so maybe try them again. I don't know, I've tried so many things and I'm tired. I think the only poster who has an idea of what this is like is Shasta.
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Post by drivingaround on May 10, 2014 15:17:18 GMT -5
I'm really sorry Ava, this sounds so sad and trying for you. I wish you had access to a therapist, based on what you described they could help you sort out your destructive and distorted thoughts. I emotionally ate for about a decade, mainly out of loneliness and hiding depression from others. Your sentence "I don't know, I've tried so many things and I'm tired." is what prompted me to see a therapist and the first thing I said after "Hi, I'm drivingaround." was "I'm so F*^%# tired of it all."
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Post by resolution on May 10, 2014 15:22:55 GMT -5
I am sorry that you have struggled so much with this and I wish there were something I could do to encourage you. You know that we are all rooting for you.
If there is anything I can do to help, like being a virtual exercise buddy or keeping on track with eating plan, please let me know. I know there is nothing I can do for the deeper issues but sometimes it can help to have a partner that agrees to an exercise schedule (even a virtual one).
My husband is out of town for the next two months and I would really like to be in better shape when he gets home. I am getting in worse shape the longer that I telecommute. It has really cut down on my physical activity to just get out of bed and then sit at my desk to work.
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Post by lazysundays on May 10, 2014 15:42:06 GMT -5
Damn I can imagine. I have some OCD/anxiety issues that finally needed drugs because my constant agitation was affecting my marriage. Even with meds I still get uncontrollable bouts here and there. If my bouts used eating as an outlet, it would be doubly hard. I can pretty much hide my demons now. I'm sure social issues aren't helping you one bit. Maybe find a distraction that keeps your hands busy. I know I can't absentmindedly watch tv or even read a book because my idle hands can cause scratching/ picking damage. I like computer games that keep both hands busy. Some people say knitting or crocheting or other, or whatever keeps both hands too busy to eat. I wish you strength.
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Post by constanz22 on May 10, 2014 15:43:04 GMT -5
I work in the mental health field and I agree, it sounds like finding a therapist would be a good first step. There are many options out there that don't cost a lot. Depending on your income, many agencies have a "sliding scale" for payment. Do you have an EAPZ through work? They can be helpful too. Most offer like 8 sessions. Look into your county mental health agency. They would have a sliding scale. Do you belong to a church? How about pastoral counseling. Or do you have any big universities nearby? Maybe some MSW students doing work toward their degree.
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