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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 6, 2014 10:35:17 GMT -5
Which is another good lesson to learn. I've already taught them you need to use sources with citations, but they don't automatically think to look for those citations to check accuracy.
Well, except that I've taught them that, while Wiki isn't a source, if its a good wiki article, it will have citations you can use to go back to and see if THOSE are usable source... That is why you go immediately to the peer reviewed literature. You do not go through 3 different levels of interpretation. What you can also do is search on one author's name once you get an article to go to other articles. Also, you can start searching on authors that that paper researched for additional sources. Most scientists tend to stay in or around the same line of research, most papers are a series of multiple articles that come out over a period of several years. This is because there is a scope and limit of size for a lot of journals. For instance, when we were doing our periodontal disease of Type 2 diabetes and preterm birth, articles were submitted in immunology journals, dental journals and obstetric journals because of the scope of the whole study.
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Post by justme on May 6, 2014 10:35:47 GMT -5
Another thing to consider, HPV is spread by skin to skin contact (prob fluids too). So even protected sex isn't all that protective against HPV as some skin still comes into contact. And there's several other STDs that are also spread with just skin contact (if the person has an outbreak or actively sloughing the virus from their skin).
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Post by Sam_2.0 on May 6, 2014 10:40:22 GMT -5
I had such a mild case of chicken pox as a kid (just a few on my entire body) that I asked for the chicken pox vaccine. They did a titer instead and said I was fine. They gave me the TDAP booster without a titer. Current recommendation is tdap with every pregnancy. I am about to be offered my 3rd in 4 years. Since I just had it last summer I am not sure if I really need it again or not, but from what I've seen it can't hurt so I may go ahead with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 10:51:59 GMT -5
Which is another good lesson to learn. I've already taught them you need to use sources with citations, but they don't automatically think to look for those citations to check accuracy.
Well, except that I've taught them that, while Wiki isn't a source, if its a good wiki article, it will have citations you can use to go back to and see if THOSE are usable source... That is why you go immediately to the peer reviewed literature. You do not go through 3 different levels of interpretation. What you can also do is search on one author's name once you get an article to go to other articles. Also, you can start searching on authors that that paper researched for additional sources. Most scientists tend to stay in or around the same line of research, most papers are a series of multiple articles that come out over a period of several years. This is because there is a scope and limit of size for a lot of journals. For instance, when we were doing our periodontal disease of Type 2 diabetes and preterm birth, articles were submitted in immunology journals, dental journals and obstetric journals because of the scope of the whole study. It is also a necessary skill to be ABLE to go through three different levels of interpretation. Because there IS going to be constant inundation of information and you will need to know how to assess it.
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Post by tractor on May 6, 2014 10:52:06 GMT -5
I had my oldest son vaccinated with the HPV shots before he entered high school. My youngest starts next year and he will also be vaccinated. I feel it's in their best interest to do what they can to not spread the disease.
Now for the rest of the story...my wife was infected while she was in college by a previous boy friend. She has had several warts removed over the years, and has had irregular Pap tests several times. Her doctors are always concerned and have watched things closely. I'd hate to loose her to cervical cancer due to something she caught over 25 years ago. By default, I am also infected, although I have never had any visible signs, I am concerned about the potential to contract throat cancer, and it's something I think about in the bedroom often (sorry, but I really enjoy oral sex with my wife, and the fear eliminates some of the fun).
I don't want my boys to have to worry so much about it, although they will have to figure it out on their own, I hope the vaccination helps in some way.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 10:53:00 GMT -5
Another thing to consider, HPV is spread by skin to skin contact (prob fluids too). So even protected sex isn't all that protective against HPV as some skin still comes into contact. And there's several other STDs that are also spread with just skin contact (if the person has an outbreak or actively sloughing the virus from their skin). Skin contact Okay...now that totally freaked me out. Not going out in public again!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 10:54:46 GMT -5
Unless you have an open would you should be OK.
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Post by justme on May 6, 2014 11:10:42 GMT -5
It has to be specific to get it Lone. You have to touch where on the person's skin the virus is sloughing and then there has to be a way for it to get into your body once it's on you. Normal day to day life, there's not really an opportunity, but with sex there's definitely an opportunity.
Have you ever gotten a wart before on your hands before? That's a type of HPV, just not the ones that are mostly related to sexual activities. It's really only a big thing if it turns into cancer.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 6, 2014 11:13:13 GMT -5
Have you ever gotten a wart before? That's a type of HPV, just not the ones that are mostly related to sexual activities. It's really only a big thing if it turns into cancer.
There are genital warts as well.
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Post by justme on May 6, 2014 11:16:51 GMT -5
Have you ever gotten a wart before? That's a type of HPV, just not the ones that are mostly related to sexual activities. It's really only a big thing if it turns into cancer.There are genital warts as well. Yeah, that's why I went back to add "on your hand". I think the breakdown when I looked was 100 strains split between genital and not.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 6, 2014 11:21:31 GMT -5
There are genital warts as well.Thanks, I just had a flashback to microbiology class. Good lord what a picture that was!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 11:28:22 GMT -5
Don't look at an ICD-9 or ICD-10 book, then.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 6, 2014 11:30:03 GMT -5
It has to be specific to get it Lone. You have to touch where on the person's skin the virus is sloughing and then there has to be a way for it to get into your body once it's on you. Normal day to day life, there's not really an opportunity, but with sex there's definitely an opportunity. Have you ever gotten a wart before on your hands before? That's a type of HPV, just not the ones that are mostly related to sexual activities. It's really only a big thing if it turns into cancer. I had a plantars wart when I was 10. I was NOT sleeping around then!
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 6, 2014 11:30:34 GMT -5
Don't look at an ICD-9 or ICD-10 book, then. I bet I've seen worse! :-P
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 11:31:55 GMT -5
Mom said that is why you don't pick up toads. The amphibian or any other kind!
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Post by HoneyBBQ on May 6, 2014 11:38:22 GMT -5
Didn't read the thread but-- I work in the cervical cancer field. My step daughter was vaccinated. I will have my daughter vaccinated. No questions, no reserve.
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Post by justme on May 6, 2014 11:39:16 GMT -5
It has to be specific to get it Lone. You have to touch where on the person's skin the virus is sloughing and then there has to be a way for it to get into your body once it's on you. Normal day to day life, there's not really an opportunity, but with sex there's definitely an opportunity. Have you ever gotten a wart before on your hands before? That's a type of HPV, just not the ones that are mostly related to sexual activities. It's really only a big thing if it turns into cancer. I had a plantars wart when I was 10. I was NOT sleeping around then! Nothing I said says you did. There's about 100 different strains of HPV. 60 present on hands/feet and such areas and 40 are considered sexually transmitted since they're drawn to mucous membranes.
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Post by Cookies Galore on May 6, 2014 11:46:48 GMT -5
I had a plantars wart when I was 10. I was NOT sleeping around then! Nothing I said says you did. There's about 100 different strains of HPV. 60 present on hands/feet and such areas and 40 are considered sexually transmitted since they're drawn to mucous membranes. Apparently I need the :-P emoticon to imply I was being silly about the sexually adventurous 10-year-old me. I was concurring that, yes, HPV can cause nonsexual warts. I know there are many HPV strains that aren't sexually transmitted.
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Post by justme on May 6, 2014 11:51:54 GMT -5
Nothing I said says you did. There's about 100 different strains of HPV. 60 present on hands/feet and such areas and 40 are considered sexually transmitted since they're drawn to mucous membranes. Apparently I need the :-P emoticon to imply I was being silly about the sexually adventurous 10-year-old me. I was concurring that, yes, HPV can cause nonsexual warts. I know there are many HPV strains that aren't sexually transmitted. Bahaha! Sorry! Sometimes you never know with people. My mom was a bio major, and HPV came up somehow in a convo along with the lines of her & dad both being legit virgins when they married so no HPV. I was like no, you've had warts so you've had HPV - just probably not the sexual strains. She didn't know they were the same type of virus.
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Post by KaraBoo on May 6, 2014 12:08:21 GMT -5
Fixing to go to lunch and read through the last page which brings up another question:
SD has warts on her hands and seems to be breaking out with more. Since you've mentioned HPV is a cause of warts - is this a precursor to other infections?
What about the vaccination itself - anything that says it causes warts? Just wondering...
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Post by thyme4change on May 7, 2014 8:34:52 GMT -5
But you actually have to HAVE chicken pox or the vaccine to GET shingles. The chicken pox vaccine won't stop shingles. In fact it is what gives you the dormant bug that causes shingles later on... Contrary to lone's post, you don't 'catch' shingles.
Is this true?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 7, 2014 9:00:58 GMT -5
Here you go Thyme •Chickenpox vaccines contain weakened live VZV, which may cause latent (dormant) infection. The vaccine-strain VZV can reactivate later in life and cause shingles. However, the risk of getting shingles from vaccine-strain VZV after chickenpox vaccination is much lower than getting shingles after natural infection with wild-type VZVwww.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/varicella/
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 9:13:51 GMT -5
Less chance, yet shingles has increased 40% since we started the vaccine...
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Post by Sam_2.0 on May 7, 2014 9:33:30 GMT -5
Less chance, yet shingles has increased 40% since we started the vaccine... But shingles is generally in older populations, wouldn't that be the group without the vaccine?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 7, 2014 9:51:21 GMT -5
Just because I have time to kill: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24297190Age-specific HZ incidence increased in the U.S. population older than 65 years even before implementation of the childhood varicella vaccination program. Introduction and widespread use of the vaccine did not seem to affect this increase. This information is reassuring for countries considering universal varicella vaccinationwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22760290Receipt of HZ vaccine was not associated with a short-term increase in HZ incidence among Medicare beneficiaries with selected immune-mediated diseases, including those exposed to biologics. The vaccine was associated with a lower HZ incidence over a median of 2 years of follow-up.
There are 12 more pages on PubMed of Free full articles if anyone wants to browse and find more. Type Chicken Pox Vaccine Shingles in the search box.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 7, 2014 9:57:29 GMT -5
Less chance, yet shingles has increased 40% since we started the vaccine... But shingles is generally in older populations, wouldn't that be the group without the vaccine? I had chicken pox as a kid. I had a minor case of shingles at age 46. Once I hit 60, I got the shingles shot.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 7, 2014 10:06:51 GMT -5
Less chance, yet shingles has increased 40% since we started the vaccine... If you are talking chicken pox vaccine, that was introduced in the mid 1990s to young children. Those vaccinated at the time are in their late teens, early 20s. Demographic of those getting shingles is generally over 50-60, those of us who caught the disease and have it still in our bodies. if you are talking shingles vaccine, that has only been around about a decade. Finally, there were reports that rates of shingles were increasing prior to the introduction of the vaccine. www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20131202/chickenpox-vaccine-not-responsible-for-rise-in-shingles-study-says
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