Bloodlust rules- and just when I thought there was a chance

[EVT1]

in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/30/usa-execution-oklahoma-idINL2N0NM02120140430

Reuters) - Oklahoma inmate Clayton Lockett died during a botched execution on Tuesday, minutes after a doctor had called a halt to the procedure, raising more questions about new death penalty cocktails used by the state and others.

Thirteen minutes after administering a lethal injection at the state's death chamber in McAlester, Lockett lifted his head and started mumbling. The doctor on scene halted the execution, said state corrections department spokesman Jerry Massie.

Lockett died of an apparent massive heart attack about 40 minutes after the procedure started, he said.

"We believe that a vein was blown and the drugs weren't working as they were designed to. The director ordered a halt to the execution," Massie said

 

[djAdvocate]

when will this insanity end?

[Shooby]

www.nbcnews.com/storyline/lethal-injection/oklahoma-inmate-dies-after-execution-botched-n93156

[Shooby]

Lockett, on death row for shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Nieman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in 1999"

Yeah, you got mercy pal. You got your just desserts. A little writhing and agony at the end of YOUR life is far, far, far less than what YOU inflicted on this young girl.

[Bluerobin]

Hey, it worked.  The mutant died!!!  If you want to change, go back to the firing squad.

[Shooby]

I agree.  The firing squad is very effective and CHEAP.

[Deleted]

I think we should chop off their heads with a big sword.

[zibazinski]

What? These sweet innocent criminals? Better give them another chance at some more victims just in case their crimes aren't bad enough and there's a chance to "rehabilitate" them. Sometimes you wish karma would bite the bleeding hearts in the ass.

[OldCoyote]

My choice would be the way that Utah did Gilmor in.

Fast, efficient, and bullets don't cost that much.

After what these convicts did to their victims, I'm not to concerned about their discomfort.

[billisonboard]

The idea that we kill people "humanely" is repugnant to me. I support either grizzly public slaughter or banning of the death penalty. 

[Tennesseer]

Apr 30, 2014 9:01:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The idea that we kill people "humanely" is repugnant to me. I support either grizzly public slaughter or banning of the death penalty. 

Our collective hands (and minds) are clean when executions are not public affairs.  Make it mandatory for the local general public in the town the crime was comitted to turn out for "grizzly public slaughter".  

We collectively want our pound of flesh but we (or at least the vast majority of Americans) would never partake in an execution.

[Virgil Showlion]

Large-caliber bullet to the head. Throw the body in an unmarked grave. the dirt back in. Pack it down. Issue resolved.

Why the state insists on an expensive (and occasionally unreliable) cocktail of chemicals, nobody knows. As billis suggests, it probably has to do with some legal activist's fevered dreams of a "humane" execution.

Does this botched execution change anyone's opinion on the death penalty? No.

Am I going to stick around for a complete rehash of the DP debate from two weeks ago? Let me think...

You guys have fun.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2014 9:01:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The idea that we kill people "humanely" is repugnant to me. I support either grizzly public slaughter or banning of the death penalty. 

i am all for going back to the guillotine

or firing squad

both are nearly instantaneous

gruesome, but effective

[EVT1]

The point is not about what they did- and if this guy was guilty I am not shedding a tear- the point is that states want to kill people so badly that they are ready to do just about anything to do it.  That is scary.

[djAdvocate]

proof positive that the DP has nothing to do with punishment or justice.

note to mods: this is the second thread on this subject.

[Wisconsin Beth]

Apr 30, 2014 9:21:12 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 30, 2014 9:01:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

The idea that we kill people "humanely" is repugnant to me. I support either grizzly public slaughter or banning of the death penalty. 

Our collective hands (and minds) are clean when executions are not public affairs.  Make it mandatory for the local general public in the town the crime was comitted to turn out for "grizzly public slaughter".  

We collectively want our pound of flesh but we (or at least the vast majority of Americans) would never partake in an execution.

Weren't hangings a big public event, in the Western states when they were being settled?  You see it in movies but that's Hollywood, not necessarily history. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 30, 2014 10:41:29 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

The point is not about what they did- and if this guy was guilty I am not shedding a tear- the point is that states want to kill people so badly that they are ready to do just about anything to do it.  That is scary.

What do you mean "ready to do just about anything to do it"? It wasn't as if they knew beforehand that Mr. Lockett would blow a vein, and the article indicates they aborted the procedure when they learned something was wrong.

If the state was "ready to do just about anything to do it", they'd say to heck with "humane" execution, scrap lethal injection, and bring back the firing squad, which is certainly humane enough. It's because the state is cowed by legal activism that executions have evolved to their present state of complication.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 7:29:23 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

What? These sweet innocent criminals? Better give them another chance at some more victims just in case their crimes aren't bad enough and there's a chance to "rehabilitate" them. Sometimes you wish karma would bite the bleeding hearts in the ass.

sometimes it does.  but i think it is devilish to wish it.

[swamp]

Shit happens.

However, I am concerned with a recent study that shows as many as 25% of death row inmates may not be guilty.

[EVT1]

Obtaining questionable drugs, changing the laws to revert back to the electric chair or firing squads, etc.  Seems overzealous- why do they want to kill so bad when clearly it is cheaper to leave them locked up for life, when clearly it has no deterrent effect?  BLOODLUST of the voters- that's the only reason.  We have been over it- some people even on this board are OK with killing a few innocent people as long as they get to kill some bad ones.  Sickening.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 9:24:43 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Large-caliber bullet to the head. Throw the body in an unmarked grave. the dirt back in. Pack it down. Issue resolved.

Why the state insists on an expensive (and occasionally unreliable) cocktail of chemicals, nobody knows.

no, everybody knows.  other than you, apparently.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 11:17:39 GMT -5 swamp said:

Shit happens.

However, I am concerned with a recent study that shows as many as 25% of death row inmates may not be guilty.

the way the death penalty is meted out is very disturbing, as well.

there are a lot of things to not like about it.  which is why most civilized nations have done away with it.

[billisonboard]

Apr 30, 2014 11:10:43 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

... Weren't hangings a big public event, in the Western states when they were being settled?  You see it in movies but that's Hollywood, not necessarily history. 

Yeah but that was before we had Dancing with the Stars to entertain us.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 30, 2014 11:10:43 GMT -5 Wisconsin Beth said:

Apr 30, 2014 9:21:12 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Our collective hands (and minds) are clean when executions are not public affairs.  Make it mandatory for the local general public in the town the crime was comitted to turn out for "grizzly public slaughter".  

We collectively want our pound of flesh but we (or at least the vast majority of Americans) would never partake in an execution.

Weren't hangings a big public event, in the Western states when they were being settled?  You see it in movies but that's Hollywood, not necessarily history. 

Public lynchings were part of our culture, but especially in the West and the South, mostly through the first third of the 20th century, although they continued even after then.  Some of those hanged were criminals.  Some were not.   Some were hanged simply due to the color of their skin.

You can read all about it here:

Lynching in the United States

[Deleted]

Keeping them locked up forever is good enough for me.

[zibazinski]

Not for me. Supporting DNA waste is a stupid use of resources.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 30, 2014 13:37:42 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Not for me. Supporting DNA waste is a stupid use of resources.

need to dig out that Gandalf quote again.

[Spellbound454]

You see it in movies but that's Hollywood, not necessarily history

In the UK we used to do some horrible stuff......Heads on spikes at traitors gate, people in gibbets at crossroads. Iron maidens, the rack...the important ones got hung, drawn and quartered.
(I've seen some of these things in museums)

It seems some sadistic governor would go out of the way to invent a more and more horrific way for people to be executed.
I suppose it inflicted terror in to the masses....and allowed the rich to stay rich

Thankfully we have got over that now and believe that responsible people with a stake in society will mostly behave.....and those who stray will face the consequences.

[EVT1]

That works for a while, then the tables get turned and masses start using that fine equipment on the former.

Too bad the US is so slow to progress- our electric chairs and gas chambers should be in museums.

[truthbound]

Apr 30, 2014 6:40:04 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

Hey, it worked.  The mutant died!!!  If you want to change, go back to the firing squad.

Seriously. A bullet costs a buck.