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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 16:34:30 GMT -5
So, the children should pay for the parents decisions then?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Apr 13, 2014 16:46:41 GMT -5
That's the nonsense people fall back on anytime anyone voices objections to the welfare system. "You want the kids to starve." That's just ridiculous. Nobody that I know wants kids to stave. People want a better way...like these parents (horrors!) actually having to work to pay for their food like I have to. Why not put them to work in a community service program at a wage equal to what they are receiving? Why not explore options that make people responsible for their own behavior? Instead, we just fall back on "You want the kids to starve." nonsense. This is exactly why people will continue to abuse the system.
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Post by nutty on Apr 13, 2014 16:55:44 GMT -5
Where in her case is it a learned behaviour? I would think with the reality crap teen moms and stuff that it would be a hell freaking NON LEARNED behaviour.
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Post by nutty on Apr 13, 2014 16:58:47 GMT -5
Heck Nah, it was completely stupid and stupid and STUPID, I have no earthly idea why she was so stupid, but I pay taxes as does my H so she is reaching into my pockets too not just yours.
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Post by nutty on Apr 13, 2014 16:59:23 GMT -5
And for those that didn't get it my post about zib was sarcasm. Edited to add that I helped her pick out a less expensive shopping experience in order for her to buy and eat healthier options as for some reason she rarely went grocery shopping with me and she was happy and receptive to that and now she delights in telling me her great picks and what she is cooking for dinner.
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Post by 973beachbum on Apr 13, 2014 17:03:00 GMT -5
Does anyone here actually know of stats that say what percent of welfare and food stamp type program recipiants are getting them for long periods of time? I ask because at the GC I only notice the customers using an EBT card if there is a problem. I'm sure there are much more that I never notice because everything goes through without any problems. So are there really more people on welfare for there whole lives or are they just the only people that we hear about?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 17:03:20 GMT -5
Lots of people who get food stamps DO work. And I'd much rather them be in school for a few years than continuing to work slow wage jobs that will have them forever on the dole...
What is nonsense is the idea that if government programs didn't exist, everyone would just 'man up' and go out and get a job immediately that could put them above the poverty line...
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Post by nutty on Apr 13, 2014 17:05:04 GMT -5
I am also pretty appalled at the idea that GEL said about the help that is out there, there is a lot. I have never been on welfare/food stamps or whatever it is named in each state so I had no idea, neither did she. Once she and C decided to not terminate the pregnancy she didn't even know where to start until she was told....there in perpetuating the issue.
You do realize that she is digging into OUR pockets too right? I know what I am going to say is very simplistic but she will never, ever, ever come anywhere close to receiving food stamps, WIC and Pell grant that H and I paid in taxes in the past AND in the future HOPEFULLY.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 17:07:12 GMT -5
There will always be drains on a system. To suggest their won't is unrealistic. Our goal should be to minimize the damage and make the system as efficient as possible.
You can keep bitching about it, but in reality, Star Trek never happens... It's Firefly every time... Understand it, deal with it the best you can, and keep flying...
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Post by nutty on Apr 13, 2014 17:19:58 GMT -5
I have never recieved welfare so I have no idea about the frauds until recently.
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Post by milee on Apr 13, 2014 18:11:08 GMT -5
I have no earthly idea why she was so stupid, but I pay taxes as does my H so she is reaching into my pockets too not just yours. In another post, didn't you say you hadn't worked in over 20 years? What were you paying taxes on and with?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 13, 2014 18:51:35 GMT -5
That's not what the majority does at all. I'm sure things are different in other parts of the country - no question - and I'm not speaking for anywhere else other than where I live. The majority of the people here who are on food stamps make a career of government assistance and then pass that on down to their children who then make a career out of it. Maybe it's different where you live and I honestly hope my area is the exception. But to say the majority of people accept assistance on a temporary basis just isn't true here. Actually, that is not correct. The majority (75%) of food stamp reciepents are elderly, disabled or children.
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Post by nutty on Apr 13, 2014 18:54:00 GMT -5
I don't believe I did write that, if I did it was a mistake or my train of thought wasn't working too well and I started writing about something else. If it was in the other thread I recall making a post about being able to receive social security disability based on what I read about my disability but I was denied because the letter stated I had not worked TEN years, at that point I had worked approx 9 years of quarters, they count it in quarters of each quarter getting at least 2500 or so I believe. I can't remember that much about the letter but I have it somewhere. I have been married 22 years. I am not sure where you read that or if I wrote in incorrectly or was mis read. Not sure. Or that particular post you quoted should be I DID pay taxes or have paid taxes and my H still pay taxes but we file jointly so that's what I posted as to me WE pay taxes as a married couple. I actually should go look back into that because from what I do remember it did not have my two or so high school years of work accounted for. I guess I became a "person" when I got married.
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Post by raeoflyte on Apr 13, 2014 18:59:39 GMT -5
There will always be drains on a system. To suggest their won't is unrealistic. Our goal should be to minimize the damage and make the system as efficient as possible. You can keep bitching about it, but in reality, Star Trek never happens... It's Firefly every time... Understand it, deal with it the best you can, and keep flying... Now I'm craving a star trek and firefly marathons... Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by mollyanna58 on Apr 13, 2014 19:34:54 GMT -5
Sadly, Firefly requires a lesser time commitment than any of the Star Treks.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Apr 13, 2014 19:59:50 GMT -5
I miss Firefly....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 20:09:31 GMT -5
I picked up the new comic book just so I could have something... Such a sucker, it's like 8 pages long... Is it just me, or is Agents of Sheild just sooooo NOT Weadon...
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Post by mollyanna58 on Apr 13, 2014 21:02:26 GMT -5
I want to like Shield, but I just can't get into it.
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Post by cronewitch on Apr 13, 2014 22:01:11 GMT -5
People have not been feeding their own children since long before food stamps. My grand father had a neighbor who swore he wouldn't work every again but had a bunch of kids. My grandparents would give the kids food. My grandma on my dad's side was widowed with 5 kids on a farm. She raised some chickens and garden but got welfare, the school took up food collections and gave baskets to the poor, they got a basket with the same jar of home canned peaches she donated. Kids were put to work young too, my aunt was put out as a live in housekeeper after 8th grade and my dad was sent to a farm to milk cows for a living at 12 so it didn't take 20 years to raise a kid they were self supporting at 12-13.
My great grandmother and great aunt got government cheese and some welfare. It wasn't much I was told after the bills were paid they had $7 to last the rest of the month. Welfare people were expected to be resourceful so they would turn that government cheese into meals. They didn't use all the peanut butter since they got too much so would give it to my grandparents who would let us eat it. They were given a little food and a little money and had to figure it out. They were elderly when I was born, great grandma lived to 97 so was probably on welfare longer than she ever worked.
Some people plan to be on welfare as a choice like not saving for retirement or having children they can't support others have bad luck or bad health. Some also only get it very short term when they need it. I think the rule is if you don't have children and aren't handicapped you only get 2 months so not many able bodied people are living on it. My brother had kids and tried to get it when he couldn't get work but was told he couldn't because they had two vehicles. He used food banks, I grew him a garden and mom and dad gave them a case of TP for Christmas.
I got welfare for 2 months once and food stamps another time for a couple of months because we were not wise about having savings.
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Post by tloonya on Apr 14, 2014 9:26:41 GMT -5
What is your solution zib... beyond tying everyone's legs together at birth until they are, in your estimation, ready and able to support a kid 'on their own'... People MUST support their kids on their own! Or there is abortion solution. I didn't have one until I said I can feed it and clothes it and all... Who doesn't understand that this 'having babies on welfare' creates only that - future welfare adults who pop welfare babies...and this will never end! And as a result (because people on welfare popping more babies than working class) - there is going to be (or already are) too many for us to feed so we will have to (do WHAT? Please finish the sentence.)...
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Post by alabamagal on Apr 14, 2014 10:14:21 GMT -5
My food stamp story from last night.
Went to Dollar General to get cleaning supplies. It is the closest to my house, and where I go for a quick stop for some things.
Lady in front of me, couldn't tell the age but she was not very young, anywhere 30-50. She asks the clerk to get a pack of cigarettes and says she will pay separately, $4.50. That was my first clue that she was paying with food stamps. Then she rings up second order of all junk food, Little Debbies, Potato Chips, 6 packs of beef jerky, 6 pack diet coke. Total $20 on EBT card. She gets into a fairly nice Honda Van in the parking lot. I only mention the van because it was perfectly capable of going 2 more miles to the real grocery store and buying REAL FOOD.
If she was in front of me buying REAL FOOD - you can get cereal, peanut butter, rice, pasta, pasta sauce, but no fresh food- I would not have had nearly as big of an issue there.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Apr 14, 2014 11:02:59 GMT -5
I picked up the new comic book just so I could have something... Such a sucker, it's like 8 pages long... Is it just me, or is Agents of Sheild just sooooo NOT Weadon... He's only peripherally involved with the show itself. One of the producers, I think. Too busy with the film portion of the MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:35:35 GMT -5
My food stamp story from last night.
Went to Dollar General to get cleaning supplies. It is the closest to my house, and where I go for a quick stop for some things.
Lady in front of me, couldn't tell the age but she was not very young, anywhere 30-50. She asks the clerk to get a pack of cigarettes and says she will pay separately, $4.50. That was my first clue that she was paying with food stamps. Then she rings up second order of all junk food, Little Debbies, Potato Chips, 6 packs of beef jerky, 6 pack diet coke. Total $20 on EBT card. She gets into a fairly nice Honda Van in the parking lot. I only mention the van because it was perfectly capable of going 2 more miles to the real grocery store and buying REAL FOOD.
If she was in front of me buying REAL FOOD - you can get cereal, peanut butter, rice, pasta, pasta sauce, but no fresh food- I would not have had nearly as big of an issue there. The thing is, you have no idea what else that person purchased or where? I often buy things in packages at WalMart then go to the good grocery store for fruit/veggies and meats. I don't get food stamps, but sometimes you might raise an eyebrow on my basket, but it is not representative of our diet.
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Post by tloonya on Apr 14, 2014 13:08:26 GMT -5
My food stamp story from last night.
Went to Dollar General to get cleaning supplies. It is the closest to my house, and where I go for a quick stop for some things.
Lady in front of me, couldn't tell the age but she was not very young, anywhere 30-50. She asks the clerk to get a pack of cigarettes and says she will pay separately, $4.50. That was my first clue that she was paying with food stamps. Then she rings up second order of all junk food, Little Debbies, Potato Chips, 6 packs of beef jerky, 6 pack diet coke. Total $20 on EBT card. She gets into a fairly nice Honda Van in the parking lot. I only mention the van because it was perfectly capable of going 2 more miles to the real grocery store and buying REAL FOOD.
If she was in front of me buying REAL FOOD - you can get cereal, peanut butter, rice, pasta, pasta sauce, but no fresh food- I would not have had nearly as big of an issue there. The thing is, you have no idea what else that person purchased or where? I often buy things in packages at WalMart then go to the good grocery store for fruit/veggies and meats. I don't get food stamps, but sometimes you might raise an eyebrow on my basket, but it is not representative of our diet. Example of brow-raising food, please
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Apr 14, 2014 14:12:07 GMT -5
The thing is, you have no idea what else that person purchased or where? I often buy things in packages at WalMart then go to the good grocery store for fruit/veggies and meats. I don't get food stamps, but sometimes you might raise an eyebrow on my basket, but it is not representative of our diet. Example of brow-raising food, please Organic, gluten free and dairy free items. Then a box of Mrs. Grass Egg in the Noodle Soup. This was part of our cart a couple of weeks ago. I made a joke to DH about it at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 15:10:18 GMT -5
That's not what the majority does at all. I'm sure things are different in other parts of the country - no question - and I'm not speaking for anywhere else other than where I live. The majority of the people here who are on food stamps make a career of government assistance and then pass that on down to their children who then make a career out of it. Maybe it's different where you live and I honestly hope my area is the exception. But to say the majority of people accept assistance on a temporary basis just isn't true here. Do you have proof of that?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Apr 14, 2014 15:26:51 GMT -5
My food stamp story from last night.
Went to Dollar General to get cleaning supplies. It is the closest to my house, and where I go for a quick stop for some things.
Lady in front of me, couldn't tell the age but she was not very young, anywhere 30-50. She asks the clerk to get a pack of cigarettes and says she will pay separately, $4.50. That was my first clue that she was paying with food stamps. Then she rings up second order of all junk food, Little Debbies, Potato Chips, 6 packs of beef jerky, 6 pack diet coke. Total $20 on EBT card. She gets into a fairly nice Honda Van in the parking lot. I only mention the van because it was perfectly capable of going 2 more miles to the real grocery store and buying REAL FOOD.
If she was in front of me buying REAL FOOD - you can get cereal, peanut butter, rice, pasta, pasta sauce, but no fresh food- I would not have had nearly as big of an issue there. The thing is, you have no idea what else that person purchased or where? I often buy things in packages at WalMart then go to the good grocery store for fruit/veggies and meats. I don't get food stamps, but sometimes you might raise an eyebrow on my basket, but it is not representative of our diet. I guess the idea that this person bought $20 in junk from EBT is what is a problem. I don't care if they bought $70 in fruits/veggies and meats at the grocery store, I object to paying for someone's junk food binge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 15:47:27 GMT -5
The thing is, you have no idea what else that person purchased or where? I often buy things in packages at WalMart then go to the good grocery store for fruit/veggies and meats. I don't get food stamps, but sometimes you might raise an eyebrow on my basket, but it is not representative of our diet. I guess the idea that this person bought $20 in junk from EBT is what is a problem. I don't care if they bought $70 in fruits/veggies and meats at the grocery store, I object to paying for someone's junk food binge.And I get that. And I agree with you. But instead of complaining about it, do something about it. Write your senator and congressperson. If enough people participate in a write in campaign, perhaps this would change. But until it does, why blame the person who is quite within the rules?
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Post by alabamagal on Apr 14, 2014 16:10:11 GMT -5
I guess the idea that this person bought $20 in junk from EBT is what is a problem. I don't care if they bought $70 in fruits/veggies and meats at the grocery store, I object to paying for someone's junk food binge.And I get that. And I agree with you. But instead of complaining about it, do something about it. Write your senator and congressperson. If enough people participate in a write in campaign, perhaps this would change. But until it does, why blame the person who is quite within the rules? Well I will talk to my congressman next time I see him, he lives down the street. But I doubt that will change his mind. Instead I will vote for someone who will change things.
I also object that the person has cash to pay for cigarettes, then uses EBT for junk food.
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Post by resolution on Apr 14, 2014 16:27:11 GMT -5
Does anyone here actually know of stats that say what percent of welfare and food stamp type program recipiants are getting them for long periods of time? I ask because at the GC I only notice the customers using an EBT card if there is a problem. I'm sure there are much more that I never notice because everything goes through without any problems. So are there really more people on welfare for there whole lives or are they just the only people that we hear about? I started a thread on this a couple of years ago. I am not up to researching the latest information again, but if you want older data you can take a look. notmsnmoney.proboards.com/thread/19247/welfare-statistics
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