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Post by les63 on Mar 28, 2014 18:18:03 GMT -5
nypost.com/2014/03/27/us-autism-estimate-rises-to-1-in-68-children/
Oh, no worries. Their IQ is higher. Snicker. Whatever. Don't believe that "they" are catching it sooner now. One big f'ing circle jerk from the CDC. We are losing a generation of children and the powers that be are not concerned.
You're children might be fine but I would be worried about my grandchildren. Something is wrong here, 20/30 years ago it was like what, 1 in 10,000? And....., oh they were misdiagnosed back then and had oh, maybe mental retardation? Oh, I don't think mental retardation was ever 1 in 68 kids anytime in history.
There are too many problems with children nowadays. More asthma, more allergies, more ADHD, more this, more that.
Done with my rant!
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Post by busymom on Mar 28, 2014 18:25:37 GMT -5
I hear you Les. Of course my DS is on the autism spectrum too. And, every time the numbers get scarier on how many children are getting autism, they always chalk it up to "better diagnosing techniques", rather than admitting that more children are getting autism. I'm trying to remember what the odds were when my DS was diagnosed. I think it was either 1 out of 300, or 1 out of 250. Anyway, I don't think the general public is going to realize the scope of the problem until it becomes 1 out of 10. Then MAYBE other families will realize it's a real problem. In the meantime, our local school district keeps adding special education staff as more & more children in our schools are on the autism spectrum.
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Post by les63 on Mar 28, 2014 18:35:31 GMT -5
I definitely hear you. I feel like running down the streets screaming "WTF" until I'm heard!
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Post by les63 on Mar 28, 2014 18:40:26 GMT -5
Annnnd, this for children born in 2002. My Noah was born in 2004. Hmmmm, I'll bet the stats are even worse from that year.
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Post by cronewitch on Mar 28, 2014 18:52:27 GMT -5
I read yesterday they were looking at cadaver brains thinking something prenatal might cause it. I am old and didn't know any growing up. I know one now who is about 22, he seems high functioning. I spend Christmas with him we are sort of related. He is pretty stiff, always wears a suit and tie, wants to be a cobbler and has done an apprenticeship.
So if it was something prenatal causing wrong development what are people doing differently. They suspected older fathers. Maybe a newer food or medicine like Splenda we didn't have at all or nobody used to eat tofu. It would take a lot to figure it out if it is a common food or medicine or a pesticide or food dye.
It is scary and sad so many families dealing with it.
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Post by busymom on Mar 28, 2014 19:21:42 GMT -5
I agree with Les that they'd better figure it out quickly, before the next generation has to deal with it.
Older fathers have been making babies for a long time (and marrying younger women), so I tend to rule that one out. I'm leaning towards all the chemicals in the environment, or the large amount of vaccinations kids get now, compared to the short list of vaccinations our generation received as children. I figure a child's developing body can only handle so much junk.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 28, 2014 19:27:33 GMT -5
I don't mean to pick on crone, but it's not tofu. we ingest way more chemicals and additives today than any generation before us, between all the processed foods and all of Monsanto's poisons. I'm floored that anyone is surprised about the effects on our offspring.
take just one example - compare the ingredients lists off of cans of Coca Cola from the 1950s vs what you can buy now. it's ridiculous! I rarely buy tonic anymore, more of a seltzer fan. but if I happen across a display of "Coca Cola de Mexico" I might pick up a glass bottle or two. the ingredients are sugar, water, natural flavoring - like it used to be here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 19:30:59 GMT -5
Any chance the constant electronic signal overload is having an impact?
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Post by les63 on Mar 28, 2014 19:35:02 GMT -5
True that! It's not like the good ole USA is a third world country. Why have your infant stabbed for 3 or 4 shots at one time? Why can't the shots be spaced out? Now, more than ever, I would be more proactive if I had a newborn. Something is wrong. And IT SUCKS that unless it affects your child, who the "H" cares. That has to change.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 28, 2014 19:36:18 GMT -5
there's that, too. I could post studies about how electromagnetic fields alter the cells in our bodies, but I gotta get 'em from my mom - who is currently fighting her local electrical utility about the lines that they have moved closer to the house I grew up in. looking at the data she has collected over the past couple years, my childhood neighborhood could legitimately be declared a cancer cluster. but since it's the electrical grid and not a single polluting private company, nobody in the State House wants to hear about it. all of the Emag stuff I've seen as been in regards to adult reactions and prognoses. I haven't looked for anything about the children of people exposed to high levels. that's definitely something else to explore though!
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 28, 2014 19:37:36 GMT -5
I agree with Les that they'd better figure it out quickly, before the next generation has to deal with it.
Older fathers have been making babies for a long time (and marrying younger women), so I tend to rule that one out. I'm leaning towards all the chemicals in the environment, or the large amount of vaccinations kids get now, compared to the short list of vaccinations our generation received as children. I figure a child's developing body can only handle so much junk. I originally liked this post....until I went back and reread the vaccination comment. vaccines DO NOT have any correlation to autism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 19:40:36 GMT -5
I think that there may be issues with vaccines and autism in certain sub populations that warrant studies. Ie. Those prone to autoimmune disorder...
In turn. Autoimmune disorder increases are also wrapped up in our food sources...
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Mar 28, 2014 19:45:55 GMT -5
I was just about to post nearly the same thing about chemicals & food additives.
I also wonder if the electronic age isn't somehow influencing a higher number of cases being diagnosed.
There probably was a higher number of cases "back in the day" but they were mis-diagnosed since Autism hadn't yet been recognized or classified as a medical condition.
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Post by busymom on Mar 28, 2014 19:47:55 GMT -5
I agree with Les that they'd better figure it out quickly, before the next generation has to deal with it.
Older fathers have been making babies for a long time (and marrying younger women), so I tend to rule that one out. I'm leaning towards all the chemicals in the environment, or the large amount of vaccinations kids get now, compared to the short list of vaccinations our generation received as children. I figure a child's developing body can only handle so much junk. I originally liked this post....until I went back and reread the vaccination comment. vaccines DO NOT have any correlation to autism. I would never suggest skipping vaccinations. But, having dealt with DS & his problems & an overwhelming-at-times therapy schedule, if I had it to do over, I would've spaced out his vaccinations more. Not so many multiple pokes on one office visit.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 28, 2014 19:51:38 GMT -5
thank you for clarifying that one. I've had a shitty enough week that I was all set to start posting links that Jenny McCarthy refuses to believe as she spouts her misinformation for the masses.
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Post by les63 on Mar 28, 2014 19:53:13 GMT -5
Vaccines in themselves might not be the cause. But there are too many families that have regressive autism. Not enough studies in my opinion.
Listen to the families first, please. WE are on the front lines, so to speak. We know our children better than anyone.
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Post by cronewitch on Mar 28, 2014 19:57:10 GMT -5
Maybe assorted causes like in the computer age and space age more geeks marry each other where they would have stayed single before so if genetic at all that might be part of it.
I didn't mean tofu was a cause just an example of newer food, more likely to be something like lead in tuna but any common food could be a cause if it didn't use to be common. Probably a chemical or a medicine like for ADHD we didn't have 50 years ago.
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Post by Sharon on Mar 28, 2014 19:57:53 GMT -5
This is purely anecdotal but two of my cousins (brother and sister) have children on the autism spectrum. A lot of their behaviors mirrors the behavior of their grandfather, my uncle by marriage.
This uncle has driven every one nuts for years. Everything must be just so and placed a certain way, books and magazines lined up etc, and if it isn't he goes into a temper tantrum. My Mom and I were talking the other day wondering if he just has had undiagnosed autism for the last 70+ years. We were also wondering about a hereditary aspect, although I have never seen any information regarding that. It is just curious to watch the 3 generations and their behaviors.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 28, 2014 20:03:18 GMT -5
I'm not at all saying that I know your children better than you do, I am coming from a science background. I work in a technical capacity in the biopharma world. I know the process for getting a drug to market, and all of the testing that accompanies it. the vaccines that (collective) your children are receiving are the same vaccines that we received, if they were available* at that time. an FDA-approved medication - which includes vaccines - are not changed willy nilly. 99.9% of the change controls opened on long recognized drugs have to do with equipment changes, not process or component changes. in my opinion - which is shared by the majority of the pharma and medical world - something that has been constant isn't likely to be the source of increased autism diagnoses. there have been studies to this effect. you need to be looking at other variables - like the chemicals and additives in our foods. you know, like the material used in yoga mats that has found its way into many of the breads offered at the grocery store. you can't tell me that's healthy for anyone. *I in no way mean to call anyone old. Gardasil wasn't even an option when I was the appropriate age, so I guess I'm old too. haha...
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Mar 28, 2014 20:11:40 GMT -5
That sounds more like OCD than Autism.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 28, 2014 20:16:29 GMT -5
That sounds more like OCD than Autism. I thought the same until I saw temper tantrum. OCD people will twitch in silence, and do what they can to fix it to their liking without making a scene.
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Post by les63 on Mar 28, 2014 20:18:26 GMT -5
Oh, I have a different angle. What if the CDC came out with 1 in 68 children will be mentally retarded. Imagine the uproar.....
Nobody in my family has any autism quirks. So I guess I drew the unlucky straw.
Don't get me wrong now, I love my Noah to the moon and back. He is a happy boy. Has no idea he is different. He is ten and getting bigger. Right now I'm worrying about puberty.
But, it really sucks that he doesn't talk. Sucks big time. Especially when he doesn't feel good. He has a higher tolerance for pain and that IS scary.
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Post by busymom on Mar 28, 2014 20:47:26 GMT -5
Les, no one in my family has autism either. So, whenever the news media says it's genetic, I think they're wrong.
BTW, even though we've spent an obscene amount of our own money on therapy over the years, I wouldn't trade DS. He has an amazing work ethic, & he is affectionate towards family members.
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Post by swamp on Mar 28, 2014 20:51:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure my business partner is on the autism spectrum. He's in his late 60's.
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Post by Sunnyday on Mar 28, 2014 20:52:48 GMT -5
tofu is not a new food.
And the rest of the subject matter, I can't contribute to a conversation about pseudo-science.
But yeah, tofu is not a new food. Just because it's new to you doesn't mean that it's new to a billion people who have been eating it for millenniums without incident.
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Post by taz157 on Mar 28, 2014 20:55:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry for all those that are facing their children with autism. I know 3 children that have it. They range in ages from 5 to 17 (2 girls and 1 boy). Each of them are different from there symptoms as another. DD is 2.5 and we did have her vaccinated; however, we had delayed some of the vaccines. For example, if she needed 4 shots in a visit, I had 2 done in that visit and 2 done the following month. For us, that's what we were comfortable. Eventually, she was up to date and is good for vaccines until she's 4, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 21:04:57 GMT -5
They haven't been eating GMO tofu for millennium...
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Post by Sunnyday on Mar 28, 2014 21:07:50 GMT -5
True tr 4 shots at one time? Why can't the shots be spaced out? Now, more than ever, I would be more proactive if I had a newborn. Something is wrong. And IT SUCKS that unless it affects your child, who the "H" cares. That has to change. Look before you had a kid with autism, did you go around with Autism badge as your avatar? Did you go talking about it and trying to raise awareness? No, you didn't. Your cause, while perhaps tragic to you, is just another one among a billion others, which are just as worthy or not. You can't make people care about things they don't care about. Perhaps they are spending all their time trying to do other worthwhile things: find a cure for cancer, fight violence, broker peace in some world conflict. Just stop getting so worked up about the fact that people don't find it to be a priority. You just seem so angry about it, and I just don't see what it's getting you. And your facts are not facts. Please stop spreading them. It's a disservice to you and everyone. I mean this sincerely and without any snark or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 21:11:43 GMT -5
Someone's going to have to care eventually...
I didn't think anyone was spouting 'facts'... I didn't think there were many absolutes determined regarding the cause and rise of autism... I thought people were speculating on potential avenues which might warrant investigation and study...
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Post by swamp on Mar 28, 2014 21:13:48 GMT -5
I thought the vaccine link had been thoroughly tested and disproved?
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