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Post by swamp on Mar 20, 2014 14:53:00 GMT -5
All the food threads made me think about this.
Remember back in the 1990's when fat was bad and carbs were good?
I do. I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease and I'm insulin resistant. I was in law school, basically subsisting on pasta and Chinese takeout, and I could not figure out for the life of me why I was always hungry, had no energy, and kept gaining weight. My cholesterol was over 300. My mom had me to a dietitcian and she put me on a high carb, low fat diet. It was a disaster.
After recently researching insulin resistance, I get it now, but I think I did some irreparable damage to my body. I now generally eat higher fat and protein, and my cholesterol is normal, but I still have horrible mood swing and shakes if I'm hungry.
I guess I'm just rambling, but I'm kind of bitter about the "expert" advice I got and the effect it had on me. So I guess beware of what the experts say.........
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Post by alabamagal on Mar 20, 2014 15:03:43 GMT -5
Sue em.....
Agree that nutrition advice is all over the place. I don't think anything is good when you overdo it.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Mar 20, 2014 15:06:34 GMT -5
I think like parenting or anything else, you have to be self aware and figure out what works for YOU in a sustainable, healthy way.
Lots of genetics and forces at work. Try something. Even if it's a fad or in vogue or not. If it doesn't work, try something else.
I am currently trying to up my protein and lower my carbs just a little. Instead of wheat thins I'm eating some nuts as a snack. I was doing a small egg burrito wrap with spinach in the am instead of oatmeal with peanut butter. I'm hoping it keeps me fuller as I still have a few pounds to lose to get down to the weight I'm happy with after having my DD.
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Post by greeniis10 on Mar 20, 2014 15:11:01 GMT -5
Funny, I just thought about this this morning! I was channel surfing at 4:00 AM (not feeling well; couldn't sleep) and there was an OLD Denise Austin aerobics show on. Can't believe they even televise it or why, but at the end she featured a recipe. It was a smothered baked potato: fat-free sour cream, fat-free cheese, salsa and lettuce or something. ZERO fat. How on earth could that be satisfying But, that was the 90's trend. All the diet "advice" is just trends and gimmicks. Gotta find what works for each person individually, IMHO.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Mar 20, 2014 15:11:32 GMT -5
Swamp- I have the same thing. I actually take metformin now (,a common drug for diabetes patients) and it helps. It has made it much easier to drop pounds ( still takes more effort than the average Jane).
But I feel you. I spent years eating the "recommended diet" and gaining weight only to have an a-hole doctor tell me it wasn't possible for me to gain weight while eating 1200- 1400 calories and I was lying about what I ate.
Low carb high protein and highish fat is the only way I can eat and feel human!
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Post by swamp on Mar 20, 2014 15:14:37 GMT -5
Swamp- I have the same thing. I actually take metformin now (,a common drug for diabetes patients) and it helps. It has made it much easier to drop pounds ( still takes more effort than the average Jane). But I feel you. I spent years eating the "recommended diet" and gaining weight only to have an a-hole doctor tell me it wasn't possible for me to gain weight while eating 1200- 1400 calories and I was lying about what I ate. Low carb high protein and highish fat is the only way I can eat and feel human! Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards I finally have an appointment with an endocrinologist next week. My GP would not put me on metformin because my blood sugar is normal. Um, yeah, it is, but read a little, please.
I used metformin when I was trying to conceive and I felt better when on it.
I was reading about the link between insulin resistance and diabetes, and I NEED to address this now. My mom, all her siblings, their mother, and my brother are all type 2 diabetics.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 20, 2014 15:16:23 GMT -5
Eggs are bad, eggs are good. .. meh I don't eat eggs so who cares. I tend to keep in mind that agriculture has some pretty big/powerful lobbyists, so I take whatever nutrition advice is in vouge at the moment with a huge grain of salt. Especially when it is geared towards trying to get me to eat only one or a very large amount of a specific food group. I especially take diets and stuff with a grain of salt. Hungry Girl touts herself as low calorie and she's quite popular but holy mother God when I looked up the nutrition information on her recipes I can't figure out how anyone loses weight following her. In reality you should die of sodium induced heart attack or diabetes. Her reliance on heavily processed foods is insane, there is no way you can convince me her diet is "better" for me. I'd rather eat an entire stick of butter a la Paula Deen than eat HG's crap. I'll probably die faster eating HG.
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Post by kittensaver on Mar 20, 2014 15:17:15 GMT -5
Oh boy, I hear ya, sister. In my life I think I've tried every diet under the sun - and a couple of them did some damage to me (vegan - my blood chemistry went haywire and I was severely anemic). I was trying to do it for ecological and spiritual reasons, but had to give up. What I've learned (for me, YMMV)? While there are some very broad truths to human nutrition (the need for protein, carbs, fats, water, micronutrients, etc) - every person is different. Sometimes REALLY different. I agree with HoneyBBQ that everyone needs to find what works for THEM. All the knowledge and all the science and all the anecdotal evidence and stories out there can only tell us so much. WE are the ones who live in our bodies, and if we pay attention our bodies are the ultimate experts who will give us the feedback we need to be healthy. I HIGHLY recommend this book! www.amazon.com/Metabolic-Typing-Diet-Customize-Yourself/dp/0767905644/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395346199&sr=1-1&keywords=nutritional+typingGood luck to you!
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 20, 2014 15:19:05 GMT -5
All the food threads made me think about this.
Remember back in the 1990's when fat was bad and carbs were good?
I do. I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease and I'm insulin resistant. I was in law school, basically subsisting on pasta and Chinese takeout, and I could not figure out for the life of me why I was always hungry, had no energy, and kept gaining weight. My cholesterol was over 300. My mom had me to a dietitcian and she put me on a high carb, low fat diet. It was a disaster.
After recently researching insulin resistance, I get it now, but I think I did some irreparable damage to my body. I now generally eat higher fat and protein, and my cholesterol is normal, but I still have horrible mood swing and shakes if I'm hungry.
I guess I'm just rambling, but I'm kind of bitter about the "expert" advice I got and the effect it had on me. So I guess beware of what the experts say.........
One thing I've found that can help this, Swamp, is to keep a protein snack available for between meals; especially, if a meal is going to be delayed. Proteins convert to sugar more slowly, so they won't help much if the shakes have already started; however, they will fend them off pretty well if used regularly. Doesn't have to be anything big, just a bit of protein to tide you over.
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Post by chen35 on Mar 20, 2014 15:33:53 GMT -5
All the food threads made me think about this.
Remember back in the 1990's when fat was bad and carbs were good?
I do. I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease and I'm insulin resistant. I was in law school, basically subsisting on pasta and Chinese takeout, and I could not figure out for the life of me why I was always hungry, had no energy, and kept gaining weight. My cholesterol was over 300. My mom had me to a dietitcian and she put me on a high carb, low fat diet. It was a disaster.
After recently researching insulin resistance, I get it now, but I think I did some irreparable damage to my body. I now generally eat higher fat and protein, and my cholesterol is normal, but I still have horrible mood swing and shakes if I'm hungry.
I guess I'm just rambling, but I'm kind of bitter about the "expert" advice I got and the effect it had on me. So I guess beware of what the experts say.........
Couple of questions if you don't mind? How did you know you were insulin resistant? What were your PCOS symptoms? My doctor said I might have PCOS, but I don't feel like I have any of the 'normal' symptoms. Are the two (PCOS and insulin resistance) related?
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Mar 20, 2014 15:35:35 GMT -5
Swamp- I have the same thing. I actually take metformin now (,a common drug for diabetes patients) and it helps. It has made it much easier to drop pounds ( still takes more effort than the average Jane). But I feel you. I spent years eating the "recommended diet" and gaining weight only to have an a-hole doctor tell me it wasn't possible for me to gain weight while eating 1200- 1400 calories and I was lying about what I ate. Low carb high protein and highish fat is the only way I can eat and feel human! Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards I finally have an appointment with an endocrinologist next week. My GP would not put me on metformin because my blood sugar is normal. Um, yeah, it is, but read a little, please.
I used metformin when I was trying to conceive and I felt better when on it.
I was reading about the link between insulin resistance and diabetes, and I NEED to address this now. My mom, all her siblings, their mother, and my brother are all type 2 diabetics.
My gyno referred me to an endocrinologist and that is who prescribed it for me. I have normal blood sugar as well. So hopefully the endo will do the same for you. Ditto with my mom and her siblings, as well as was my grandparents. I do have some gastrointestinal issues with metformin, but i think it is worth it. Like I said, I have to work harder than average to drop weight, but if i work hard, watch every calorie and workout 5 or 6 days a week then I can lose about 8 pounds a month... when before metformin, i averaged about 1-2 pounds a month if i lost at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 15:38:00 GMT -5
I finally have an appointment with an endocrinologist next week. My GP would not put me on metformin because my blood sugar is normal. Um, yeah, it is, but read a little, please.
I used metformin when I was trying to conceive and I felt better when on it.
I was reading about the link between insulin resistance and diabetes, and I NEED to address this now. My mom, all her siblings, their mother, and my brother are all type 2 diabetics.
My gyno referred me... I can tell you right there, you are not eating correctly. It goes in the other end.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Mar 20, 2014 15:38:54 GMT -5
I can tell you right there, you are not eating correctly. It goes in the other end. shows how much you know
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Post by Blonde Granny on Mar 20, 2014 15:47:35 GMT -5
My DH is a type II diabetic, but he is also considered a brittle diabetic. This means his BS can vary from too low to too high for no apparent reason. He still takes metformin and takes 5 insulin injections per day. 2 long acting and 3 short (before meals). As he was trying to get his BS semi stable, one of the diabetic nurses asked about his daily snacks. He told her they were always high protein snacks, little if any carbs. She didn't like that one bit.
She went on to say his snacks each day needed to contain both carbs & protein. Something about how each one is needed to help stabilize and even out his BS levels.
I'm not giving an ounce of medical advice, I can only say it has helped him.
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Post by milee on Mar 20, 2014 15:48:30 GMT -5
I guess I'm just rambling, but I'm kind of bitter about the "expert" advice I got and the effect it had on me. So I guess beware of what the experts say.........
It does stink that there's so little good info about nutrition out there. Well done studies are few and far between, plus they take decades to complete. Heck, it's only been in the last 10-15 years that it hasn't been common standard practice to only include men in medical and health studies because women's hormones were viewed as "anomalies" that might skew the results. Now we're even finding that some of the old studies are accurate for men, but when women are tested, the results are hugely different.
We do the best we can with the information we have I guess and hope for more information in the future.
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Post by movingforward on Mar 20, 2014 16:33:23 GMT -5
Everyone is different, I suppose. I tried cutting carbs and almost passed out during my workout. My lunch is pretty heavy on the carbs for that reason. I do try to eat higher protein in the evening though.
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Post by Bonny on Mar 20, 2014 17:28:48 GMT -5
The "shakes" when you get hungry usually mean you're suffering from low blood sugar. I remembered when my mom would get that way and would be totally irrational. Therefore when I saw the same thing happen to DH I knew what it was right away. I think it's often a precursor to type II diabetes which ran in both my mom's family and one side of DH's family. The scariest was when I'd ask DH what he'd want to eat and he'd start yelling "I'm not hungry!" I'd have to take the lead and say, "Well I am and we're stopping now!". Getting him to plan his meals especially when we would have the road trips to and from So. CA made a big difference.
He's 55 and now really watching the carbs and sugar intake. Most of the time the blood sugar is well controlled. But he can sure tell two days later if he over does it. He's dropped some weight and looks really good. You know, "Old man hot".
I'm overdue for a similar overhaul even though I don't seem to have an blood sugar problems. I need to drop 40 lbs if for nothing else to relieve strain on my knees so I can enjoy hiking longer.
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Post by cronewitch on Mar 20, 2014 17:47:55 GMT -5
They keep changing the food groups too. When I was young they had groups like protein fruits, veggies and dairy maybe 7 groups then later 5 groups then food pyramid. Now they got some vegetarian to recommend no meat products.
I do best on a high veggie diet with protein and little fruit and carbs or high protein with little veggies and almost no fruit or starches.
I try to eat low sodium, no sugar, moderate carbs, moderate protein. My perfect food is home made soup. Boiled boneless breast of chicken diced with assorted beans cooked in the broth then assorted veggies added, I have some in the freezer now but not in a soup mood. When I heat it I add spices like curry or Italian so it doesn't always taste the same. When I eat that instead of food I want my blood pressure and blood sugar are good and I lose weight. When I eat salt my ankles swell and hurt. Now I just got home from my volunteer job and am hungry but I want an cheese and onion sandwich on Hazelnut bread with mustard. I never had one but that is what I want and I bought bread yesterday for the first time in months.
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Post by swamp on Mar 20, 2014 19:19:21 GMT -5
All the food threads made me think about this.
Remember back in the 1990's when fat was bad and carbs were good?
I do. I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease and I'm insulin resistant. I was in law school, basically subsisting on pasta and Chinese takeout, and I could not figure out for the life of me why I was always hungry, had no energy, and kept gaining weight. My cholesterol was over 300. My mom had me to a dietitcian and she put me on a high carb, low fat diet. It was a disaster.
After recently researching insulin resistance, I get it now, but I think I did some irreparable damage to my body. I now generally eat higher fat and protein, and my cholesterol is normal, but I still have horrible mood swing and shakes if I'm hungry.
I guess I'm just rambling, but I'm kind of bitter about the "expert" advice I got and the effect it had on me. So I guess beware of what the experts say.........
Couple of questions if you don't mind? How did you know you were insulin resistant? What were your PCOS symptoms? My doctor said I might have PCOS, but I don't feel like I have any of the 'normal' symptoms. Are the two (PCOS and insulin resistance) related? PCOS and insulin resistance go together. It's called metabolic syndrome or syndrome x. If you eat lots of simple carbs, you get an immediate rush, and then drop like a stone, and then you are almost immediately hungry again. It's like you can't eat enough, ever. And you will gain weight eating carbs even if you keep,the calories down. I know most people get a carb rush, but it's magnified, as is the drop. PCOS symptoms were excess hair, lack of periods, rapid weight gain.
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Post by marvholly on Mar 21, 2014 5:51:13 GMT -5
Swamp DD1 is insulin resistant. ALL of late DH's family was adult diabetic. The advice he received from the hospital dietician was much like you got - fairly high carb (9servings/day, low fat). He would NOT listen to me.
DD1 has learned to pay MUCH more attention to glycemic IMPACT than to glycemic index. Keep the impact low. Do combine w/protein regularly.
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Post by skubikky on Mar 21, 2014 6:25:25 GMT -5
I can tell you right there, you are not eating correctly. It goes in the other end. Uh....uh.....oh dear.....um, waiter.....check please?
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Post by Formerly SK on Mar 22, 2014 8:52:49 GMT -5
A few years ago I became intolerant to dairy/gluten/eggs. One perk of that is I cut way back on carbs. Breakfast/lunch/snacks are all fruit/veggie with nut/meat. I usually have rice with dinner. I feel so much better - just amazingly better. I don't know if it's the low carbs, or just that I'm eating basic whole foods all day, but it works. Actually, my diet now is very high in protein - the more I eat the better I feel. I hope you figure out the problem and can find a solution.
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Post by swamp on Mar 24, 2014 14:43:46 GMT -5
I'm back from the endocrinologist. She prescribed metformin and spirilactone.
Said I am a pretty straightforward case of PCOS and insulin resistance.
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Post by justme on Mar 24, 2014 15:11:58 GMT -5
I didn't know they can combine metformin and spirolactone together. Though maybe it's because if I do have PCOS it's only a really mild part of some symptoms and none of the gyn ones. Metformin did nothing for me, and spirolactone does nothing for my mildly high blood sugar, but I wanted off the drug that changed nothing and on the one that cleared up my acne.
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Post by swamp on Mar 24, 2014 15:27:43 GMT -5
The spiralactone is supposed to be for my hair loss.
I've lost so much hair I had to cut my mid back length hair to above my shoulders.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Mar 24, 2014 15:41:14 GMT -5
The spiralactone is supposed to be for my hair loss. I've lost so much hair I had to cut my mid back length hair to above my shoulders. I was about to ask what that was for. Several years back I lost about half the thickness in my hair (gradually over a few years) Luckily for me, my hair was so thick that I went from only being able to put a hair band directly on my hair (as in, not wrapping it at all) to wrapping it once. I hope the drugs work out for me. I take BC and metformin and it helps... I'd love to be drug free someday, but is that even possible with PCOS? does it ever go away?
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Post by swamp on Mar 24, 2014 15:44:07 GMT -5
I don't think it ever goes away. And I've probably had it since I was a teen.
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Post by sheilaincali on Mar 24, 2014 15:48:17 GMT -5
My weight loss coach told me to take biotin supplements to help with the hair loss. I've noticed a decent amount of new hairs sprouting up on my head. Kind of a annoying at this point because if you catch them in the right or wrong light they are sticking up like I stuck my finger in an electrical outlet. Once they grow a little longer they'll lay down a look more natural I hope.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Mar 25, 2014 10:59:03 GMT -5
I'm back from the endocrinologist. She prescribed metformin and spirilactone. Said I am a pretty straightforward case of PCOS and insulin resistance. So, what type of dietary mix did she recommend for you? High carb? Low carb? No carb? Only Wonder bread and tap water? Inquiring people want to know. And YOU named the thread "Nutrition Advice".
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