Sharing the Spirit of Christianity/Evangelizing

[mmhmm]

Mar 16, 2014 0:15:24 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Hey heart, I was reading this earlier where it was originally posted. Seems like what you were trying to say was that JC would bake the guys a cake? Let God judge as God does on everyone's personal judgment day?

You gotta do what makes you feel good heart, and I like grits have had people just start talking to me about God. Mostly because I'm always talking about history and things that have happened, regardless of what some what to believe.

I just posted something to this effect on the long term investor thread, but I'll repeat it again here.. Looks like all current political and economical situations are about to become moot. Stay .

As I said, Aham, the only place I've ever had anyone start a conversation with me about God was in the hospital.  I understood why.  They were sick and frightened and they turned to their faith for comfort and looked to me for encouragement and treatment.  Other than that, the subject never comes up.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I can understand that mmhmm, you're a good egg and I know you mean well. Which reminds me I have a link I need to share with you yet...

I have my historical theory and I always talk about current events, ect, ect... It just kinda comes up.... I guess its probably a matter of energy more than anything.. You know how we seem to draw certain types in..

[Deleted]

Mar 15, 2014 19:37:22 GMT -5 cereb said:

Mar 15, 2014 19:24:01 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

mmhmm, I get it. But it's the total lack of respect for others opinions that is so disrespectful. But you as an admin allow it. You allow the majority to gang up on the minority. How you don't see that I just can't comprehend. I jumped in here because this was an obvious example of what goes on here repeatedly.

This isn't a playground. Everyone here is presumably an adult. Is it ok that more than one person can disagree with another person's opinion and post it? It's a message board.  So, that's pretty much the way it works.

In the thread where these comments originally were, rude comments were made toward heart2heart. Tenesseer even ripped into her for something she didn't even say. To everyone's credit, once I mentioned it, people changed their tune. But that also means they know exactly what they were doing. My comments have nothing to do with one person disagreeing with another, which is the point of having this board in the first place. Ironcially, the rude treatment that the minority opinion receives on the P&M board has been driving away members for years, making the board more and more homogeneous. But nobody seems to care about that. Have it your way.

[cereb]

Mar 16, 2014 8:34:58 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

Mar 15, 2014 19:37:22 GMT -5 cereb said:

This isn't a playground. Everyone here is presumably an adult. Is it ok that more than one person can disagree with another person's opinion and post it? It's a message board.  So, that's pretty much the way it works.

In the thread where these comments originally were, rude comments were made toward heart2heart. Tenesseer even ripped into her for something she didn't even say. To everyone's credit, once I mentioned it, people changed their tune. But that also means they know exactly what they were doing. My comments have nothing to do with one person disagreeing with another, which is the point of having this board in the first place. Ironcially, the rude treatment that the minority opinion receives on the P&M board has been driving away members for years, making the board more and more homogeneous. But nobody seems to care about that. Have it your way.

This board isn't close to homogeneous, and I'm not sure what you mean by "have it my way".

[mmhmm]

Mar 16, 2014 8:34:58 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

Mar 15, 2014 19:37:22 GMT -5 cereb said:

This isn't a playground. Everyone here is presumably an adult. Is it ok that more than one person can disagree with another person's opinion and post it? It's a message board.  So, that's pretty much the way it works.

In the thread where these comments originally were, rude comments were made toward heart2heart. Tenesseer even ripped into her for something she didn't even say. To everyone's credit, once I mentioned it, people changed their tune. But that also means they know exactly what they were doing. My comments have nothing to do with one person disagreeing with another, which is the point of having this board in the first place. Ironcially, the rude treatment that the minority opinion receives on the P&M board has been driving away members for years, making the board more and more homogeneous. But nobody seems to care about that. Have it your way.

As on any message board, investorbob, any one poster can hold the minority opinion at any given time.  I saw NO personal insults.  I saw disagreement and I saw posts that said why the poster disagreed; however, all were directed at what was being said, not at the poster in particular.  Telling someone their posts show hubris is not a personal insult.  As cereb has pointed out, the P&M board is not homogeneous and won't be.  We're adults here.  People do have the courage to post their opinions and don't generally run screaming into oblivion because someone else doesn't agree with them.

[Deleted]

Like I said, have it your way. You're right and I'm childish and whiny. As are those who have quit posting as well as the others who have told me they agree with me.

[mmhmm]

Mar 16, 2014 11:08:22 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

Like I said, have it your way. You're right and I'm childish and whiny. As are those who have quit posting as well as the others who have told me they agree with me.

Excuse me?  I didn't call you childish OR whiny; nor, did I call anyone else childish or whiny.  Some will agree with you and some will not.  As I said, that's message boards for you.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 15, 2014 23:12:01 GMT -5 grits said:

Mar 15, 2014 23:08:03 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

None of us are on your mail route so I really doubt you have any idea what any of us do volunteer wise.  Give it up grits.

As much as some of you love to talk about your life, we'd know.  As much time as you spend on here, it is doubtful that you have time to do any major volunteering.  You mainly come on here to spread anger, racism, politics, and criticize.  Get real, and do some good.   

Interesting that I, or anyone else for that matter, would spread politics on a politics board.  Oh well.

You claim I spend a lot of time on the boards.  Seeing I have been retired for almost ten years, I do have more free time than folks with jobs. Having the time to do what and when I wish to do it and with whom is one of the perks of retirement.  I can comfortly say you have no idea what I do when I am off the boards.

Now regarding your claim I spread racism on the board:  seeing you made the charge, grits, you now have to prove it by providing examples.  As you claim I spend an inordinate amout of time posting here, there should be a number of examples of me spreading racism on the boards.  

Now step up to the plate and prove ìt, grits.  Failure to find or provide examples will not look good or speak well of you, grits.  Charges of spreading racism on messsge boards is a serious matter.

[Deleted]

Mar 16, 2014 13:40:35 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Mar 16, 2014 11:08:22 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

Like I said, have it your way. You're right and I'm childish and whiny. As are those who have quit posting as well as the others who have told me they agree with me.

Excuse me?  I didn't call you childish OR whiny; nor, did I call anyone else childish or whiny.  Some will agree with you and some will not.  As I said, that's message boards for you.

Wasn't directed at you.  I was told that we're all adults here and should act like it.  I'm going to be the adult and move along.  I'm sick of the prejudice (again, not directed at you).

[mmhmm]

Mar 16, 2014 16:20:50 GMT -5 @investorbob said:

Mar 16, 2014 13:40:35 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Excuse me?  I didn't call you childish OR whiny; nor, did I call anyone else childish or whiny.  Some will agree with you and some will not.  As I said, that's message boards for you.

Wasn't directed at you.  I was told that we're all adults here and should act like it.  I'm going to be the adult and move along.  I'm sick of the prejudice (again, not directed at you).

Sorry, investorbob.  My error.  Since your post followed mine, I though you were speaking to me.  My apologies for the misconception.

[sesfw]

Getting back to the original post ...... My belief is my own.  I'm also 72 and have discovered in the last 20 or so years that my basic faith can't be shaken.  It's ingrained into my soul.  If someone starts a religious discussion with me, it depends on the time and place whether or not I shut it down.

I don't like either LDS or JW knocking on my door.  Or any other religion.

I went to a memorial service several months for a retired Presbyterian Minister and his Southern Baptist preacher son actually had an alter call at his father's memorial service.  There is a time and place for everything, and that was neither the time nor the place.

I'm in the middle of a study at church that is titled Painting the Stars.  It's more of a contemporary view of how religious beliefs and life itself have evolved.  I am the 'less educated' of the group, and when they talk about things they discussed in their college classes I'm left behind.  However I'm using common sense where they are using class study.

One topic brought up was atheists.  I'm of the opinion that as long as there are tests in schools there will be prayer.  If someone wishes to be atheist, it's their own God they will eventually face.  But I can't help but wonder what happened in their own life that hurt so bad they are spending life shaking a fist to the heavens. 

[mmhmm]

Mar 25, 2014 10:42:57 GMT -5 sesfw said:

Getting back to the original post ...... My belief is my own.  I'm also 72 and have discovered in the last 20 or so years that my basic faith can't be shaken.  It's ingrained into my soul.  If someone starts a religious discussion with me, it depends on the time and place whether or not I shut it down.

I don't like either LDS or JW knocking on my door.  Or any other religion.

I went to a memorial service several months for a retired Presbyterian Minister and his Southern Baptist preacher son actually had an alter call at his father's memorial service.  There is a time and place for everything, and that was neither the time nor the place.

I'm in the middle of a study at church that is titled Painting the Stars.  It's more of a contemporary view of how religious beliefs and life itself have evolved.  I am the 'less educated' of the group, and when they talk about things they discussed in their college classes I'm left behind.  However I'm using common sense where they are using class study.

One topic brought up was atheists.  I'm of the opinion that as long as there are tests in schools there will be prayer.  If someone wishes to be atheist, it's their own God they will eventually face.  But I can't help but wonder what happened in their own life that hurt so bad they are spending life shaking a fist to the heavens. 

As an atheist, I can speak from my own point of view to your final musings, sesfw. I don't pray for tests, or anything else. Haven't since I was in grade school. I don't believe I'll face any God, today or eventually. I'll live, and I'll end. Nothing happened in my life that hurt me so badly I am "spending life shaking a fist to the heavens".  Why would I do that?  I don't believe the heavens are occupied, so shaking my fist at them would be counter-productive, would it not?  An expenditure of energy for zero return. While I respect your choice to believe, it isn't my choice. The tenets of your religious belief don't apply to me; nor, do they apply to others like me. I don't say nobody was driven to atheism by some sort of traumatic event; however, I do say, with conviction, I was not.

[sesfw]

You are right for you. And I'm glad we live in a country where this is still possible.

[Deleted]

Mar 25, 2014 10:56:51 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Mar 25, 2014 10:42:57 GMT -5 sesfw said:

Getting back to the original post ...... My belief is my own.  I'm also 72 and have discovered in the last 20 or so years that my basic faith can't be shaken.  It's ingrained into my soul.  If someone starts a religious discussion with me, it depends on the time and place whether or not I shut it down.

I don't like either LDS or JW knocking on my door.  Or any other religion.

I went to a memorial service several months for a retired Presbyterian Minister and his Southern Baptist preacher son actually had an alter call at his father's memorial service.  There is a time and place for everything, and that was neither the time nor the place.

I'm in the middle of a study at church that is titled Painting the Stars.  It's more of a contemporary view of how religious beliefs and life itself have evolved.  I am the 'less educated' of the group, and when they talk about things they discussed in their college classes I'm left behind.  However I'm using common sense where they are using class study.

One topic brought up was atheists.  I'm of the opinion that as long as there are tests in schools there will be prayer.  If someone wishes to be atheist, it's their own God they will eventually face.  But I can't help but wonder what happened in their own life that hurt so bad they are spending life shaking a fist to the heavens. 

As an atheist, I can speak from my own point of view to your final musings, sesfw. I don't pray for tests, or anything else. Haven't since I was in grade school. I don't believe I'll face any God, today or eventually. I'll live, and I'll end. Nothing happened in my life that hurt me so badly I am "spending life shaking a fist to the heavens".  Why would I do that?  I don't believe the heavens are occupied, so shaking my fist at them would be counter-productive, would it not?  An expenditure of energy for zero return. While I respect your choice to believe, it isn't my choice. The tenets of your religious belief don't apply to me; nor, do they apply to others like me. I don't say nobody was driven to atheism by some sort of traumatic event; however, I do say, with conviction, I was not.

[Deleted]

To me, sharing the spirit of Christ has absolutely nothing to do with evangelizing...

[mmhmm]

Mar 29, 2014 9:19:01 GMT -5 oped said:

To me, sharing the spirit of Christ has absolutely nothing to do with evangelizing...

From my point of view, it depends on how that sharing is done, oped, and with what attitude it's offered.  There's sharing, and there's force-feeding.  The two are decidedly different.

[Deleted]

I'm agnostic. I am not a Christian, but that doesn't mean I don't think Jesus had some really good ideas and things to say... But personally I think, for myself, and for those Christian friends I see trying to proselytize, the time better spent in actually spreading the spirit of Christ is not talking in his name... But acting in his image. 

[mmhmm]

Mar 29, 2014 9:41:32 GMT -5 oped said:

I'm agnostic. I am not a Christian, but that doesn't mean I don't think Jesus had some really good ideas and things to say... But personally I think, for myself, and for those Christian friends I see trying to proselytize, the time better spent in actually spreading the spirit of Christ is not talking in his name... But acting in his image. 

Agreed.  I think we're pretty much on the same page, oped, as far as proselytizing is concerned.

[raeoflyte]

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[Value Buy]

Looks like there are going to be a bunch of surprised people on the advent of their passing.

Good Luck!

And when I say surprised, I am welling to believe, most will be accepted.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 29, 2014 11:29:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Looks like there are going to be a bunch of surprised people on the advent of their passing.

Good Luck!

And when I say surprised, I am welling to believe, most will be accepted.

I am of the opinion no one will be suprised when they pass.  They will not even be aware they passed or aware of anything else for that matter.

[Value Buy]

Mar 29, 2014 12:02:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 29, 2014 11:29:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Looks like there are going to be a bunch of surprised people on the advent of their passing.

Good Luck!

And when I say surprised, I am welling to believe, most will be accepted.

I am of the opinion no one will be suprised when they pass.  They will not even be aware they passed or aware of anything else for that matter.

That is the question, and the answer, is it not?

[moon/Laura]

Mar 29, 2014 9:41:32 GMT -5 oped said:

I'm agnostic. I am not a Christian, but that doesn't mean I don't think Jesus had some really good ideas and things to say... But personally I think, for myself, and for those Christian friends I see trying to proselytize, the time better spent in actually spreading the spirit of Christ is not talking in his name... But acting in his image. 

I'm agnostic as well. No particular reason, other than perhaps I was never raised in a religious household. I've been to church, and I can't say I hated it. On the other hand, I don't buy into it. And when I see the ones who are the biggest self-proclaimed "Christians" acting in ways that are decidedly NON Christian, well... that just reinforces my belief that it's a lot of "talk the talk" without a lot of "walk the walk".

Is that true of all Christians? No way. But it's also not true that you have to be Christian in order to behave in a Christian-like manner (think being kind, honest, treating others as you would like to be treated, etc.)

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I think we are judged based on our actions, not our words. That's why I believe that even though someone like mmhmm or moon believes there is no God based on religious scripture, they are still very much in the all mighty's good graces. Energy is everywhere, not just in the "heavens".

My issue is that I don't fit in anywhere on the spectrum. Most Religious and non religious folk alike refuse to believe that there is a whole other half to the story of JC's life. That's fine with me though, my Hebrw roots have taught me to always base my thoughts on historical facts and scientific discovery and to let people make their own revelations. I admit I can get overzealous about JC, but what can I say? He is the Messiah and his love and strength is something that I can't help but admire.

[Pants]

Mar 29, 2014 15:33:19 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

I think we are judged based on our actions, not our words. That's why I believe that even though someone like mmhmm or moon believes there is no God based on religious scripture, they are still very much in the all mighty's good graces. Energy is everywhere, not just in the "heavens".

My issue is that I don't fit in anywhere on the spectrum. Most Religious and non religious folk alike refuse to believe that there is a whole other half to the story of JC's life. That's fine with me though, my Hebrw roots have taught me to always base my thoughts on historical facts and scientific discovery and to let people make their own revelations. I admit I can get overzealous about JC, but what can I say? He is the Messiah and his love and strength is something that I can't help but admire.

You believe that historical facts and scientific discovery make JC the messiah?

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

JC (if he truly existed) was a human being - during that century/era, the slaying/crucification of supposed thieves, criminals, or someone stealing a piece of gold or loaf of bread were put to death.

The people "in power" pretty much decided someone's fate - whether innocent or guilty - there were no trials or hearings - it was the law of the land.

The ancient Roman Empire was much the same.

We could go back pre-Christ - there were the Egyptians - who worshiped deities as well. Were their gods (or the Greek gods for that matter) false? Not to those societies during their time.

The same with Asian cultures. Buddah has been worshiped (and still is).

There are more belief systems than the ones I've mentioned - there's also Hinduism, Zulu, Jewish, Islam, Druze, Shintoism, Taoism, Wiccan....

Native Americans who were here centuries before you, worshipped the elements - earth, wind, fire, water - and respected their planet and treated all living things with respect - taking only what was needed to exist - and wasting nothing.

Everyone has the choice to follow the path of their belief system (or not have one).

There's no right religion or wrong religion - and no written law that states Christianity is THE ONLY true religion.

If it is your belief system, then follow it - but be willing to accept that not all people walk your path - and be open to other concepts and beliefs (or lack thereof) and respect that person's choices.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Mar 29, 2014 17:59:22 GMT -5 Pants said:

Mar 29, 2014 15:33:19 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

I think we are judged based on our actions, not our words. That's why I believe that even though someone like mmhmm or moon believes there is no God based on religious scripture, they are still very much in the all mighty's good graces. Energy is everywhere, not just in the "heavens".

My issue is that I don't fit in anywhere on the spectrum. Most Religious and non religious folk alike refuse to believe that there is a whole other half to the story of JC's life. That's fine with me though, my Hebrw roots have taught me to always base my thoughts on historical facts and scientific discovery and to let people make their own revelations. I admit I can get overzealous about JC, but what can I say? He is the Messiah and his love and strength is something that I can't help but admire.

You believe that historical facts and scientific discovery make JC the messiah?

Yes, what started as one(Abraham), has grown into billions and has stood the test of time(5774 years).

Now, we are into a global situation where opposing beliefs based off the same mans teachings has engulfed the entire world.(Which he called thousands of years in advance)  In other words, because of JC actions we stand here today in the present conditions we face. This can be simplified into the concept known as the "butterfly effect."

Now, what does the science of today say about creation? Higgs Boson is in everything and, Harvard Scientists Find Big Bang Ripples in Ancient Light Just as each and everyone of our lives on this planet started as a singled celled organism in our moms uterus and evolved, the universe has expanded from a single point and evolved.

In other words, religion is being swallowed up by facts and science. I would say this is happening because science has gone further to explaining the existence of God than any religion in the history of the world has.

And if your wondering, YES, I wish people would be religious about logic, not emotions.

[damnotagain]

Test of faith just getting there. Jolo,  West Virginia.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

In other words, religion is being swallowed up by facts and science. I would say this is happening because science has gone further to explaining the existence of God than any religion in the history of the world has.

Can you cite RELIABLE sources where science has gone further to explain the existence of God? A person's belief system is within themselves - something based on faith -no matter what their faith is - not something science has taught them.

Darwinism is also a belief - evolution is a belief held by many.




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[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I did post one, but here is the direct link..... www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-17/harvard-scientists-find-ripples-of-big-bang-in-ancient-light.html

Also, evolution isn't a theory. You were a single celled organism at one point, SL, this is a scientific fact. It just a matter of filling in the missing pieces now on the rest of it. Which we are doing all the time, again, see the study from Harvard.