whoisjohngalt
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 5, 2014 12:02:43 GMT -5
Were are you guys seeing emails??
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Post by Abby Normal on Mar 5, 2014 12:07:25 GMT -5
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 5, 2014 12:22:29 GMT -5
After hearing this on the news this morning on CNN and skiming that link my first thought is they are going to need all that money from the college fund for family therapy and it still might not be enough!
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Post by NoNamePerson on Mar 5, 2014 12:31:00 GMT -5
Sometimes I hate that I am so jaded but I'm thinking the family that took her in has $ signs in their eyes. If she got the money guess who will be saying "we have your best interest at heart and all that sh##" so we need to handle your finances for you and she will probably believe them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 12:33:25 GMT -5
your kid has to be pretty spoiled to have CPS tell you that you spoil them too much!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 5, 2014 12:34:58 GMT -5
Sometimes I hate that I am so jaded but I'm thinking the family that took her in has $ signs in their eyes. If she got the money guess who will be saying "we have your best interest at heart and all that sh##" so we need to handle your finances for you and she will probably believe them. I'm curious as to who is going to be paying the $12K in lawyer costs that have incurred so far. And as the judge has ruled against the brat, that if the father/lawyer is going to continue on with this.
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Post by genericname on Mar 5, 2014 12:36:49 GMT -5
She's obviously suffering from "Affluenza"
Perhaps she needs hospitalization in a state mental facility to see how the other half lives and rehabilitate that Affluenza problem.
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Post by justme on Mar 5, 2014 12:49:25 GMT -5
Sometimes I hate that I am so jaded but I'm thinking the family that took her in has $ signs in their eyes. If she got the money guess who will be saying "we have your best interest at heart and all that sh##" so we need to handle your finances for you and she will probably believe them. I'm curious as to who is going to be paying the $12K in lawyer costs that have incurred so far. And as the judge has ruled against the brat, that if the father/lawyer is going to continue on with this. Assuming this doesn't turn out in her direction, I'm guessing he'll just call it pro bono or fees not collected, whatever he needs to to use it as a tax write off.
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Post by The Captain on Mar 5, 2014 13:20:50 GMT -5
Oh boy. Heard some of her emails on the radio this morning. The girl has dug her own grave. I retract my statement of even having the parents be nice and pay for her last semester of high school. Yeah, her emails didn't help her.
As horrible as she comes across, though, I am guessing that it's not necessarily that the parents are model citizens, it's that they are older, wiser and at least savvy enough not to display their bad behavior in email, VM or other traceable form. He's in a highly political job, so is well aware of the importance of not leaving controversial things on email, VM, etc. so the fact that only the daughter has done that is no more than a sign that she's younger and more naïve about how to conceal bad behavior.
My bet is that there have been growing issues in that house for several years. The daughter is not a prize, but she didn't spring forth like that in a vacuum. The parents are savvy enough to not have put their dirty laundry on display like the daughter naively did, but it is highly unlikely that things got this far off the rails without some parental lapses at a minimum and outright bad parental behavior at a maximum. IMHO, there's more to this story than evil, spoiled daughter tries to victimize loving, perfect parents. (All that said, I still don't think there's a legal case here. If the daughter wants out - and that may be the best thing for everybody - she needs to cowboy up and move on.)
While I agree with most of what you've posted I have to address the part I bolded. Unless you have personally experienced it, it's impossible to believe parents could lavish the same (if not more) attention on children raised in the same environment and have one (or more) turn out to be an absolute horror. I've posted some stuff about my brother in the past. Trust me, he got the lion's share of our folk's attention and resources until he moved (was thrown) out. No matter what was done, including counseling (which my Dad had to work a sixth day a week to be able to afford fully out of pocket) nothing would work with my brother except for him to get out in the real world and spend another 12-15 years maturing. He took (stole) my mother's car without permission multiple times. One time he wrecked it, left the scene of an accident, drinking, drugs, multiple runaways, stealing cash, physically threatening my mother, and a lot of other crap. He was dishonorably discharged from the service and has filed BK twice. It took until he was about 40-45 until he finally started getting his shit together, and now based on what we've heard, he's working on blowing it all again. Some folks (and it DOES pain me to say this about family) are just bad seeds. Nothing the parents do will ever change that. No one ever wants to abandon their child, but these parents have two other kids at home, exactly how much are they supposed to allow the privilidged princess to put her sisters through?
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Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 5, 2014 13:24:10 GMT -5
Well, let's hope this young lady is not a lost cause. Maybe she just needs to do a little growing up. Which is actually part of what her lawsuit was based on: non-emancipated.
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Post by milee on Mar 5, 2014 13:52:41 GMT -5
Yeah, her emails didn't help her.
As horrible as she comes across, though, I am guessing that it's not necessarily that the parents are model citizens, it's that they are older, wiser and at least savvy enough not to display their bad behavior in email, VM or other traceable form. He's in a highly political job, so is well aware of the importance of not leaving controversial things on email, VM, etc. so the fact that only the daughter has done that is no more than a sign that she's younger and more naïve about how to conceal bad behavior.
My bet is that there have been growing issues in that house for several years. The daughter is not a prize, but she didn't spring forth like that in a vacuum. The parents are savvy enough to not have put their dirty laundry on display like the daughter naively did, but it is highly unlikely that things got this far off the rails without some parental lapses at a minimum and outright bad parental behavior at a maximum. IMHO, there's more to this story than evil, spoiled daughter tries to victimize loving, perfect parents. (All that said, I still don't think there's a legal case here. If the daughter wants out - and that may be the best thing for everybody - she needs to cowboy up and move on.)
While I agree with most of what you've posted I have to address the part I bolded. Unless you have personally experienced it, it's impossible to believe parents could lavish the same (if not more) attention on children raised in the same environment and have one (or more) turn out to be an absolute horror. I've posted some stuff about my brother in the past. Trust me, he got the lion's share of our folk's attention and resources until he moved (was thrown) out. No matter what was done, including counseling (which my Dad had to work a sixth day a week to be able to afford fully out of pocket) nothing would work with my brother except for him to get out in the real world and spend another 12-15 years maturing. He took (stole) my mother's car without permission multiple times. One time he wrecked it, left the scene of an accident, drinking, drugs, multiple runaways, stealing cash, physically threatening my mother, and a lot of other crap. He was dishonorably discharged from the service and has filed BK twice. It took until he was about 40-45 until he finally started getting his shit together, and now based on what we've heard, he's working on blowing it all again. Some folks (and it DOES pain me to say this about family) are just bad seeds. Nothing the parents do will ever change that. No one ever wants to abandon their child, but these parents have two other kids at home, exactly how much are they supposed to allow the privilidged princess to put her sisters through? I don't disagree with your example or your conclusion. Good parents can (and do) end up with disastrous kids.
My comments were directed at this particular situation. Tough to know since it's all reading between the lines and as I said, I think the parents have some issues but were more careful not to make their issues public. It is just my guess that the situation with the girl in the OP isn't quite as black and white as it may first appear. Sorry to hear about your family troubles with your brother.
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 5, 2014 14:23:56 GMT -5
Well, they still have two other children. Maybe they will learn not to spoil them rotten, which is what happened here. That kid is rotten. The first time I ever heard from CPS, I'd have shipped that brat off to an all girls boarding school with very high fences. There's one in Georgia btw.
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 5, 2014 14:24:47 GMT -5
But you are right about some kids just being bad seeds. John Hinkleys parents are very nice as are their two other children, I've been told.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Mar 12, 2014 9:49:13 GMT -5
Well, perhaps cooler heads finally prevailed. www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2014/03/nj_teen_who_sued_parents_is_going_home.htmlRachel Canning, the Morris County teenager who sued her parents to force them to pay her bills, has returned to her parents’ house in Lincoln Park, her parents’ attorney announced today.
Rachel, 18, “has returned home and reunited with her parents and siblings. Her return home is not contingent on any financial and/or other considerations,” her attorney Angelo Sarno, said in a statement.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 12, 2014 9:52:02 GMT -5
Well, perhaps cooler heads finally prevailed. www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2014/03/nj_teen_who_sued_parents_is_going_home.htmlRachel Canning, the Morris County teenager who sued her parents to force them to pay her bills, has returned to her parents’ house in Lincoln Park, her parents’ attorney announced today.
Rachel, 18, “has returned home and reunited with her parents and siblings. Her return home is not contingent on any financial and/or other considerations,” her attorney Angelo Sarno, said in a statement.
Or she just didn't have anywhere else to go. I was thinking about how I would feel if my kid did something like that. Again, it's one of those "you don't really know what you are going to do until it happens", but I don't know if I would be welcoming him back with open arms......
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Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 12, 2014 10:07:18 GMT -5
Let's hope they can patch things up.
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Post by Bob Ross on Mar 12, 2014 10:56:28 GMT -5
See, this is why we need to bring back corporal punishment, because this entire situation is nothing a good spankerin' rather than a lamewad "time out" much earlier in life wouldn't have nipped right in the bud. And, yeah I know that's just a theory, but it's also right so
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 12, 2014 13:41:51 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 13, 2014 20:47:30 GMT -5
I wonder why they took her back? I'm assuming since the "lawyer" didnt get paid, he booted her out of the house. It'll be interesting to see if the parents do anything for her now.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Mar 13, 2014 21:34:04 GMT -5
I wonder why they took her back? I'm assuming since the "lawyer" didnt get paid, he booted her out of the house. It'll be interesting to see if the parents do anything for her now. They took her back because they are her parents and the family is not broken beyond repair.
According to the Newark Star-Ledger, the lawyer who represented Rachel in court tried to have a legal guardian appointed for the girl (which she wanted the parents to pay for) but was turned down. The other parent, who was not the lawyer who represented Rachel, is facing an ethics complaint on an unrelated matter.
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 14, 2014 16:26:11 GMT -5
She's been doubly blessed then. I hope she appreciates it. First to grow up in such a family and then after biting the hand that feeds you PUBLICLY, she gets another try at it.
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Post by motherto2 on Mar 17, 2014 19:33:56 GMT -5
I hope the family is able to get through this and leave it behind. And believe me, there are bad seeds in a lot of families. I lived that, and have watched numerous friends/family members go through it too. So often once a child reaches those teenage years, you lose them to outside influences. And yes, it can happen overnight. It only takes the wrong person to get a hold of your child, and there ya go. I also think the BFF's parents didn't help the situation. Rather than taking the family to court to air dirty laundry, maybe they should have considered mediation, either them as the mediators, or someone trained. I've had that with one of DD's friends in HS. She wanted to move out when she turned 18, and I convinced her to wait until she graduated from HS. You can't stay in HS in our county unless you live here. She wasn't being abused by any means, but mom was strict.
I am divorced and didn't even know divorced parents are forced to pay college expenses. We had always said we would, so we do. He just helps with actual tuition, not any of the extras (he did help pay for DS' ring) but it's better than nothing. But I have mixed emotions regarding whether parents should pay for college or not. I'm kind of on the fence about it. I can see both sides. We chose to when our kids were young, but things change. Luckily I have two great kids, and I never had to deal with the terrible teenage stuff that I've watched others face.
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