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Post by Shooby on Feb 23, 2014 12:43:36 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand the whole emotional aspect of this. Just do your business in a professional way. And, deal with other people in a professional way. I don't get it.
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Post by tloonya on Feb 24, 2014 10:08:17 GMT -5
Seriously, Loony ,do you not understand how to deal with people in a PROFESSIONAL way in your business? Go figure. I seriously don't understand how to deal with people who promise you to deliver and then almost abusing it. Can you enlighten me on that? I am all ears...
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Post by Shooby on Feb 24, 2014 10:18:28 GMT -5
Yes. You act like a professional. Then you say, I am sorry this is not working out for my business so we can no longer do business.
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Post by tloonya on Feb 24, 2014 14:21:20 GMT -5
Yes. You act like a professional. Then you say, I am sorry this is not working out for my business so we can no longer do business. After which take? BTW when I was working as a professional with professionals I had never even BEEN NEAR these kind of situations and relations. So I had never had to yell! We were all professionals.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 24, 2014 14:26:05 GMT -5
Yes. You act like a professional. Then you say, I am sorry this is not working out for my business so we can no longer do business. After which take?
Anytime before you start yelling would be fine.
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Post by tloonya on Feb 24, 2014 15:04:24 GMT -5
Anytime before you start yelling would be fine. Well...we passed that time. Was I supposed to just professionally tell him to get to hell out of here or I will yell at you?
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Post by mollyanna58 on Feb 24, 2014 15:08:42 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 24, 2014 16:09:19 GMT -5
Anytime before you start yelling would be fine. Well...we passed that time. Was I supposed to just professionally tell him to get to hell out of here or I will yell at you? Sure.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 24, 2014 16:32:02 GMT -5
You didn't "have" to yell. You CHOOSE to yell.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 24, 2014 16:32:25 GMT -5
Adults having temper tantrums really isn't very appealing.
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Post by tloonya on Feb 26, 2014 13:13:51 GMT -5
You didn't "have" to yell. You CHOOSE to yell. No. I lost it. He drove me into it by not paying attention.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 13:18:34 GMT -5
You didn't "have" to yell. You CHOOSE to yell. No. I lost it. He drove me into it by not paying attention. You 'losing it' is your own reaction and your own choice.
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Post by tloonya on Feb 26, 2014 13:24:32 GMT -5
That's funny that you think that cretin means the person with poor taste... when it is known (worldwide) FACT that cretin IS the person who thinks that person with a poor taste means cretin... No, it's not me that thinks cretin means a person with poor taste. From Merriam-Webster: a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person (bold mine) From The Free Dictionary: a stupid, obtuse, or boorish person It is possible that the designer thinks you are stupid because, in his mind, you don't understand the use of color the way he does, or he may consider your color selection very inappropriate and vulgar or that you are obtuse for not understanding that he has fantastic design sense and that you have none and that you should just agree with the color selections he has made. You were looking for this info for 5 days? and you trusted sources without thinking...as you are using words without knowing what they mean. So I will be back in 5 days with name for you Cretinism is a condition of severely stunted physical and mental growth due to untreated congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones (congenital hypothyroidism) usually due to maternal hypothyroidism. BTW: cre·tin /ˈkrētn/ noun noun: cretin; plural noun: cretins 1. a stupid person (used as a general term of abuse).
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Post by tloonya on Feb 26, 2014 13:27:03 GMT -5
No. I lost it. He drove me into it by not paying attention. You 'losing it' is your own reaction and your own choice. Why than people get off with murder if they were 'driven' into it by someone/something so their nerves were shut off?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 13:28:37 GMT -5
Their nerves were shut off?
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Post by tloonya on Feb 26, 2014 13:35:57 GMT -5
Their nerves were shut off? I don't know the word for it. When people kill other people in argument or something and get away with murder because [] fill in brackets.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 13:37:41 GMT -5
temporary insanity?
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 13:39:02 GMT -5
Ooh, fill in the word!
Because they're celebrities?
Because the victim was black?
Because the moon was full?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 26, 2014 13:40:33 GMT -5
You 'losing it' is your own reaction and your own choice. Why than people get off with murder if they were 'driven' into it by someone/something so their nerves were shut off? They don't. Someone might try an insanity plea, but those aren't easy to win unless, of course, you're actually insane.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 26, 2014 13:42:13 GMT -5
In general, if you're hollering and yelling you're much more likely to be dismissed as someone not worth bothering with as anything else. Making a point is done much better using a clear, well-modulated vocal tone and logic.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 13:42:43 GMT -5
And I'm guessing most of those who do 'get off' on any level have more defense than "he wasn't paying attention".
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Post by mollyanna58 on Feb 26, 2014 13:43:44 GMT -5
They don't get away with murder. If someone kills someone in the heat of the moment (such as bashing a banner designer's brains in when he shows a client a red design instead of a 2-tone lime green design), it is a different crime than premeditated murder (he leaves the red banner design with a client, and then the client goes to his office 3 hours later and bashes his brains in). The premeditated is first degree murder; the heat of the moment is second degree murder or manslaughter, or some other crime. However, they are all crimes and will all result in imprisonment upon conviction.
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Post by tloonya on Feb 26, 2014 13:48:10 GMT -5
They don't get away with murder. If someone kills someone in the heat of the moment (such as bashing a banner designer's brains in when he shows a client a red design instead of a 2-tone lime green design), it is a different crime than premeditated murder (he leaves the red banner design with a client, and then the client goes to his office 3 hours later and bashes his brains in). The premeditated is first degree murder; the heat of the moment is second degree murder or manslaughter, or some other crime. However, they are all crimes and will all result in imprisonment upon conviction. No! There is one when let's say someone was threatening someone with something like bringing horrible childhood memories, verbal abuse, bullying and that victim just snapped and killed because of he couldn't take it anymore...
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 13:49:39 GMT -5
temporary insanity, I think would be more like it.
Was the banner guy threatening you, abusing you, or discussing your personal childhood trauma?
That's not very good customer service, indeed.
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Post by tloonya on Feb 26, 2014 13:52:14 GMT -5
In general, if you're hollering and yelling you're much more likely to be dismissed as someone not worth bothering with as anything else. Making a point is done much better using a clear, well-modulated vocal tone and logic. I am not sure about that. Many times in my life I had to yell because missis nice didn't cut it. 'You refund my money or I will write to your Headquarter'...usually did the trick always. Or 'take this crap you sell back or I will call your boss' worked. 'Please, exchange this crap' never worked. And 'I think it would be fair to give me refund because you had not delivered promised services' also fell in a crack. So sometimes yelling is the only way. BTW tell me you are not yelling at your kids.
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Post by tloonya on Feb 26, 2014 13:55:51 GMT -5
temporary insanity, I think would be more like it. Was the banner guy threatening you, abusing you, or discussing your personal childhood trauma? That's not very good customer service, indeed. I am sure you know that I was just searching for the word giving this explanation right? Otherwise it will seems like someone here is just trying to be a pest. English is my second language and I didn't know the word. Go ahead and make all the fun you can of me for trying to find a word. Nice.
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Post by mollyanna58 on Feb 26, 2014 13:56:54 GMT -5
I don't think any of these would apply in a business transaction, even if you were doing business with J.R. Ewing.
However, even if someone did suddenly snap, and did manage to make a case for temporary insanity, it just means that person gets confined to the looney bin instead of jail. The person still gets locked up somewhere, for a long time.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 13:58:16 GMT -5
I'm not making fun of you (what part of that was making fun of you not knowing 'temporary insanity'?). I'm asking if the man was doing anything so horribly vile and/or threatening that it could cause you to have gone into temporary insanity?
If not, just own your reaction.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Feb 26, 2014 13:58:56 GMT -5
I don't think any of these would apply in a business transaction, even if you were doing business with J.R. Ewing. However, even if someone did suddenly snap, and did manage to make a case for temporary insanity, it just means that person gets confined to the looney bin instead of jail. The person still gets locked up somewhere, for a long time. I dunno, it *is* JR Ewing, after all... I do think that excuse might be on the books.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 26, 2014 14:03:55 GMT -5
They don't get away with murder. If someone kills someone in the heat of the moment (such as bashing a banner designer's brains in when he shows a client a red design instead of a 2-tone lime green design), it is a different crime than premeditated murder (he leaves the red banner design with a client, and then the client goes to his office 3 hours later and bashes his brains in). The premeditated is first degree murder; the heat of the moment is second degree murder or manslaughter, or some other crime. However, they are all crimes and will all result in imprisonment upon conviction. No! There is one when let's say someone was threatening someone with something like bringing horrible childhood memories, verbal abuse, bullying and that victim just snapped and killed because of he couldn't take it anymore... No, there's not. That would be second degree murder/manslaughter, or something of that ilk. Only if the other person was actually threatening the individual (as with a weapon, or beating him, or some other form of violence, or impending violence) would it be considered self-defense.
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