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Post by les63 on Feb 12, 2014 20:27:10 GMT -5
Been there done that. Joined in 1982/83 and was honorably discharged in 1992. I'm fifty so don't think they would want me after 20 years. My daughter is in the Air Force in Alaska. My oldest son is almost seventeen. I guess he would qualify but he is a Momma's boy. My fault.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 20:41:13 GMT -5
I don't think there will be too many shoot-em-up wars in our future. Old farts like me who are computer savvy can serve for drone guidance and all the cyber-warfare going forward. No, I can't write code like the youngsters but my arthritis still lets me click a mouse.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 12, 2014 20:57:22 GMT -5
I don't need to become a citizen! border guard: state the reason for your visit Me: heading to the Great Wolf Lodge in Niagara Falls Guard: how long is your visit Me: for the weekend and then once we're in we keep on trucking! we just need to get in and keep a low profile That's how my dh got into to the US. His dad gave a different location, but the conversation was very close. You said in another thread that your husband came here as a teenager, and if his family got into the USA that way. That means they got in illegally. And just because you are married to a Canadian citizen doesn't mean jackshit. You don't get handed a Canadian citizenship along with your marriage certificate. I married a Canadian citizen. I had two options when wr got married if I wanted to stay permanently in Canada, he could've sponsored me or I could apply as a skilled worker. I applied as a skilled worker. If I chose to do nothing, I wouldn't have been allowed to stay in Canada even if I'm married to a Canadian. Personally, I have a lot of sympathy for illegal immigrants escaping crushing poverty and persecution. I have no, and I mean no sympathy, for a Canadian crossing illegally into the USA. I immigrated legally into Canada, and I immigrated legally into the USA. I didn't even choose the easy route by getting sponsered by my spouse, I dis it theough my credentials. Both were very hard things to do, and I do take offense at what your husband's family did.
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Post by violagirl on Feb 12, 2014 21:08:06 GMT -5
That's an easy question to answer. I'd be a conscientious objector. They would probably put me in a work camp like they did to my husbands grandfather back during the last world war. Those camps are the ones the US and Canada would like to forget.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 12, 2014 21:34:32 GMT -5
That is pretty much me as well. I actually used to think about this a bit back in the day. It is a hypothetical question, so the best I can give is a hypothetical answer, but.... I do believe I would have agreed to serve in some capacity in World War II. It would not have been in combat, but I would have been willing to serve in some support capacity. I would absolutely NOT have gone to Viet Nam. I would have requested Conscientious Objector status, and if that had been denied I would have gone to jail. Fleeing the country to avoid the draft is cowardly and unworthy of anyone wanting to call him or herself "citizen." If one is willing to claim a stand based on principle then they must also be willing to accept the consequences of that stand.
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Post by olderburgher on Feb 13, 2014 10:36:29 GMT -5
You either fight and die, or object and face the consequences. Fleeing the country to avoid the draft is cowardly and unworthy of anyone wanting to call him or herself "citizen." If one is willing to claim a stand based on principle then they must also be willing to accept the consequences of that stand.
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Post by steph08 on Feb 13, 2014 10:40:27 GMT -5
It's a draft, I don't really think you get a choice.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 13, 2014 11:01:48 GMT -5
I'd do what I could. DD would go in a NYM. DS would not be happy but they'd find him something to do. He's physically fit but does not have a killer instinct. Not sure they can instill it in him.
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Post by aliciar6 on Feb 13, 2014 11:06:59 GMT -5
I think my dad is betting on some kind of invasion or coup....he bought body armor with plates for him and my mom. Note that mom did NOT want body armor. Let's not even go into the arsenal and ammo cache Body armor is often not certified. If he did not buy NIJ certified armor, he basically bought a heavy t-shirt. Also it has an expiration so he will want to replace it at some point. That some point varies depending on how it's been used and the manufacturer. trust me, he knows what he's buying, what is crap and what isn't. He spent 25 years as an Infantry officer and knows just about everything there is about weapons, ammo, you name it. He's worn plenty of body armor himself. And he knows what makes good vs poor body armor and plates. I did chide him for not getting the side plates for the version he bought. Shit's heavy though. really heavy. I don't miss mine at all.
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Post by comom1 on Feb 13, 2014 11:27:50 GMT -5
DD2 served in the Army for nearly 4 years, 13 months in Iraq. She finished out her IRR by joining the reserves. She really didn't want to get pulled back in, so the reserves appealed to her.
DD1 tried to enlist more than once, but they wouldn't take her because of her asthma.
DH and I would go, but I don't think either one of us would pass the physical anymore. Plus, we're 56, so I'm sure they'd hit their quota before they got to us.
I think women should have to register for the draft. It's not right to say that only men should be forced to serve in the military. I am glad that the military is finally starting to recognize that, while women technically didn't serve in combat positions, in reality they often did. I was grateful that DD was a sharpshooter. She missed expert by one shot. Boy, was she pissed. She worked guard duty at her FOB in Iraq. She also worked in communications. Way more stress than I'd want.
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Post by doxieluvr on Feb 13, 2014 11:46:59 GMT -5
That's how my dh got into to the US. His dad gave a different location, but the conversation was very close. You said in another thread that your husband came here as a teenager, and if his family got into the USA that way. That means they got in illegally. Yes he came as a teenager, and yes I have said several times that he came illegally. His dad was legal but was not going to leave his son in Canada. My dh has honorable discharge from the US military. He has earned the right to live in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 11:52:52 GMT -5
You said in another thread that your husband came here as a teenager, and if his family got into the USA that way. That means they got in illegally. Yes he came as a teenager, and yes I have said several times that he came illegally. His dad was legal but was not going to leave his son in Canada. My dh has honorable discharge from the US military. He has earned the right to live in the US. If the parents are legal aren't the kids by default? Or did he abduct his son from his Mother?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 11:54:28 GMT -5
I thought so. Vice-versa is the reason why people have "anchor babies", right?
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 13, 2014 12:01:02 GMT -5
You said in another thread that your husband came here as a teenager, and if his family got into the USA that way. That means they got in illegally. Yes he came as a teenager, and yes I have said several times that he came illegally. His dad was legal but was not going to leave his son in Canada. My dh has honorable discharge from the US military. He has earned the right to live in the US. I don't understand how your husband was illegal if his father (your FIL) was legal. I'm assuming since he was a teenager, he would have been a minor. Did he get amnesty through the military? And it still doesn't change the fact that you won't automatically get into Canada because your husband is a Canadian citizen. Where is he from again?
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Post by comom1 on Feb 13, 2014 12:06:49 GMT -5
Guys, it's a doxie story. For the love of god, don't go there!!!!!
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Post by doxieluvr on Feb 13, 2014 12:08:28 GMT -5
Yes he came as a teenager, and yes I have said several times that he came illegally. His dad was legal but was not going to leave his son in Canada. My dh has honorable discharge from the US military. He has earned the right to live in the US. If the parents are legal aren't the kids by default? Or did he abduct his son from his Mother? No they are not. His father got a green card by marrying an American woman. His mother did not want him. To this day she has nothing to do with dh.
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Post by doxieluvr on Feb 13, 2014 12:10:24 GMT -5
Yes he came as a teenager, and yes I have said several times that he came illegally. His dad was legal but was not going to leave his son in Canada. My dh has honorable discharge from the US military. He has earned the right to live in the US. I don't understand how your husband was illegal if his father (your FIL) was legal. I'm assuming since he was a teenager, he would have been a minor. Did he get amnesty through the military? And it still doesn't change the fact that you won't automatically get into Canada because your husband is a Canadian citizen. Where is he from again? He already had a green card before going into the military. He should have asked for citizenship but he did not want it at the time.
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Post by comom1 on Feb 13, 2014 12:11:51 GMT -5
Damn, I tried to warn you!!! I don't have time to read a 50 page post on doxie's husband's citizenship journey and, if it's posted, it will be like a train wreck--I'll have to look.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 13, 2014 12:24:37 GMT -5
Please extend my thanks to your husband for his service, Doxie. And to all others who have served, thank you, too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 12:24:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 12:39:18 GMT -5
I would not go, I don't trust the military to keep me safe from their own people. There is a 1/3 rape stat for women in the military, I'd be safer in some women's prisons.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Feb 13, 2014 13:10:23 GMT -5
At least 8 weeks now. 10 for Army, and 12 for Marines. I thought the marines didn't draft? At least officially.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Feb 13, 2014 13:11:21 GMT -5
All I know is, if we were all drafted into the YM brigade, my question would be "they're all really pretty sir, but can they fight?"
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 13, 2014 13:14:27 GMT -5
All I know is, if we were all drafted into the YM brigade, my question would be "they're all really pretty sir, but can they fight?" Depends....are they trying to take my money?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 13:16:59 GMT -5
I'd better not chip a nail!
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 13, 2014 13:27:26 GMT -5
I didn't know that. Probably true. Just saying basic for the services that draft is at least 8 weeks now, not 6. So theoretically all the YMers will be 33% more capable if they get through it.
Honestly with the obesity problem this country has, and our sedentary lifestyles in general, I'd be really curious to see what percentage of the general population could meet the basic physical requirements after only 8 weeks of training. I'm guessing a majority of adults haven't run two miles since high school. For a thirty something draftee, that's a long damn time ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 14:09:22 GMT -5
I didn't know that. Probably true. Just saying basic for the services that draft is at least 8 weeks now, not 6. So theoretically all the YMers will be 33% more capable if they get through it. Honestly with the obesity problem this country has, and our sedentary lifestyles in general, I'd be really curious to see what percentage of the general population could meet the basic physical requirements after only 8 weeks of training. I'm guessing a majority of adults haven't run two miles since high school. For a thirty something draftee, that's a long damn time ago. The marines have refused to take people through the draft, the last time we had a draft, even when they were pushed to. They have NEVER drafted people.
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Post by aliciar6 on Feb 13, 2014 14:18:51 GMT -5
I didn't know that. Probably true. Just saying basic for the services that draft is at least 8 weeks now, not 6. So theoretically all the YMers will be 33% more capable if they get through it. Honestly with the obesity problem this country has, and our sedentary lifestyles in general, I'd be really curious to see what percentage of the general population could meet the basic physical requirements after only 8 weeks of training. I'm guessing a majority of adults haven't run two miles since high school. For a thirty something draftee, that's a long damn time ago. you'd be surprised what the Drill Sergeants can put you through to get you pass the physical requirements in 8 weeks. though there are height/weight requirements so if you aren't meeting them, you need to get down to them usually before they let you go. But we had some chunky people who totally trimmed down and went from not being able to do 1 pushup to doing over 50 in that 8 weeks. We had a 35 year old in our platoon as well and "grandpa" was a rock star.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 13, 2014 15:13:34 GMT -5
We had 18 year old guys in my flight that failed basic training because they couldn't meet the physical requirements. They got washed back to a new flight and tried again, so I don't know how they did with a few extra weeks. At the time I went through Air Force basic training was only 6 weeks. There's only so much you can do in six weeks, even with the extra attention they got from being in the weight management program.
Several of the women in our sister flight got washed back after the physical too.
I don't remember exactly when we took it, but it's not at the end. I want to say it was in week four. If you fail, you don't get do-overs, you pack your stuff and move to a new dorm where a brand new flight is just starting basic training. I don't know how many times you can wash back before they boot you. If training is 8 weeks long, that doesn't mean you actually have 8 weeks to meet the standards. You have to see when they do the final physical.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 13, 2014 15:16:29 GMT -5
If they need warm bodies, they will just recycle you until you make it.
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