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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 12, 2014 16:31:07 GMT -5
So you sneak into Canada, with no papers. How are you going to care for your daughter? You can't get a job over there without papers. If they find you, they'll call US authorities and you'll end up in prison with your kids in foster care. You can't even enroll them in school without papers of some sort. Are you going to live on the street in Canada? Those winters can be pretty brutal. Might be better jumping the southern border and hiding in Mexico. More corrupt system, so easier to use cash to fall through the cracks. I wonder how much a fake Mexican identity would cost in US dollars if there was a draft here? LOL. You are wayyyy to jacked up about this. I already said I planned to do things the 'appropriate' way by getting a work visa because my HUSBAND IS A CITIZEN. You are like 10 what-ifs down the line here. But it isn't fun if you don't accept the ground rules, and play along. This is a serious game we're playing here.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Feb 12, 2014 16:32:28 GMT -5
LOL. You are wayyyy to jacked up about this. I already said I planned to do things the 'appropriate' way by getting a work visa because my HUSBAND IS A CITIZEN. You are like 10 what-ifs down the line here. But it isn't fun if you don't accept the ground rules, and play along. This is a serious game we're playing here. OK, I'm putting my serious face on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 16:33:39 GMT -5
so straight to the front line, eh? I have religious objections to war. Those wouldn't exempt me from military service, so I'd either wind up rotting in jail, or, if the military was smart about it, they'd put me to some productive use on the home front. You could do maintenance on the sever hosting their smiley jpegs.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 12, 2014 16:33:40 GMT -5
For those saying they'd leave the country, would you do it as soon as they announced the draft, or wait and hope your number doesn't come up?
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Post by swamp on Feb 12, 2014 16:33:47 GMT -5
HELL NO WE WON'T GO.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 12, 2014 16:34:08 GMT -5
Good. lol
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Feb 12, 2014 16:36:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 16:37:12 GMT -5
How about France? would anyone believe we were going to EPCOT Paris on purpose??
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Post by sesfw on Feb 12, 2014 16:40:39 GMT -5
Dodging the draft is against the law.
Bill Clinton spent some time living in Canada because he didn't want to be drafted.
I'm the older set and being drafted or enlisting was the thing the guys did after high school. If you didn't graduate you still had to sign up for the draft at age 18, your 'coming out' party. A lot of guys got their GEDs in the military and I still think it's a good thing.
Gets young people away from mommy and daddy, you go to some kind of school for training, you are earning your own funds and learning what to do with it, you have room and board provided, when you get out you have your GI bill for future education. It's a win-win.
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Post by genericname on Feb 12, 2014 16:48:12 GMT -5
But it isn't fun if you don't accept the ground rules, and play along. This is a serious game we're playing here. OK, I'm putting my serious face on. OK, I'm confused. I thought you said you were raising your daughter on your own. But you are married? Or am I confusing you with someone else?
You still get to do whatever you want, I'm just confused, haha!
Myself, I would go if my number came up. I can do everything they need. I would not go in the draft though. If I got a draft letter I would go sign up for Officer Candidate School, since I have a STEM degree. I would prefer their pay scale to the one I got when I was enlisted in the Navy the first time.
Sure, it would suck to leave my two kids. I would miss them every day and twice on Sunday. But if this country was at war and needed me so badly they called my number, I would go. I wouldn't feel comfortable teaching my children to love their country, fight for liberty and freedom, and hold our founding fathers and our constitution in a place of honor if I refused to answer the call of duty.
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Post by Sunnyday on Feb 12, 2014 16:50:49 GMT -5
Now you got it! You have excellent skills if the world ever goes to hell in a hand basket. And damn it, I can't play anymore, my mother, I mean my children, are like making me take care of them!!!
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Feb 12, 2014 16:51:59 GMT -5
I'd totally go! But I would want to join the one with the condos and the private rooms. Thank you to all that have served at any time in your lives!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 12, 2014 16:52:57 GMT -5
I have religious objections to war. Those wouldn't exempt me from military service, so I'd either wind up rotting in jail, or, if the military was smart about it, they'd put me to some productive use on the home front. You could do maintenance on the sever hosting their smiley jpegs. If I told them about my experience as a message board moderator, they'd put my experience to use: servicing drones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 16:54:02 GMT -5
You could do maintenance on the sever hosting their smiley jpegs. If I told them about my experience as a message board moderator, they'd put my experience to use: servicing drones. Or stopping pillow fights in the barracks.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Feb 12, 2014 16:56:10 GMT -5
OK, I'm putting my serious face on. OK, I'm confused. I thought you said you were raising your daughter on your own. But you are married? Or am I confusing you with someone else?
You still get to do whatever you want, I'm just confused, haha!
No my spouse is over 50 so in our hypothetical he wouldn't get drafted. But I don't have any 'other' family like Dark was talking about coming to live in my house and take care of my family. There aren't grandparents that are competent or able to raise my daughter. Maybe if I had a large and loving extended family that could take care of her my answer would be different. But it's just me and my old H. And that's my answer based on my current situation.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 12, 2014 16:58:58 GMT -5
No.. not even a little. He spent some time as a grad student at Oxford on a deferment, and had a lot of special favors going on, but he never fled the country, or failed to report. www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp
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Post by genericname on Feb 12, 2014 17:02:14 GMT -5
OK, I'm confused. I thought you said you were raising your daughter on your own. But you are married? Or am I confusing you with someone else?
You still get to do whatever you want, I'm just confused, haha!
No my spouse is over 50 so in our hypothetical he wouldn't get drafted. But I don't have any 'other' family like Dark was talking about coming to live in my house and take care of my family. There aren't grandparents that are competent or able to raise my daughter. Maybe if I had a large and loving extended family that could take care of her my answer would be different. But it's just me and my old H. And that's my answer based on my current situation. Gotcha. Thanks.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 12, 2014 17:06:40 GMT -5
If I told them about my experience as a message board moderator, they'd put my experience to use: servicing drones. Or stopping pillow fights in the barracks. I'll be the one to thank when Col. Archie isn't accidentally shot in the back of the head by sleep-deprived infantrymen after an all-night pillow fight. Or if I get put on smiley duty, at least your widow will get some decent smileys in her condolences letter.
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Post by milee on Feb 12, 2014 17:35:10 GMT -5
Canada is much stricter about checking papers when hiring than the US is. Certain interests here, namely the business community, fights tooth and nail against any regulation requiring them to check citizenship status of their personnel, or fining them for hiring illegals. We have so many illegals here because we've made it easy for them to live and work here, because US businesses want them here. Our corporations want cheap labor, and they don't give a damn what it does to our communities. Canada, largely, doesn't feel the same way. To be fair, the incredibly inaccurate government system for verifying work eligibility is a big part of the problem. When the government gets E-Verify to be up to date and accurate, then it would be reasonable to require companies to use it. Right now though, the data is often garbage and it would be crazy to force companies to rely on it. Not only that, you'd have scores of stories on the 6 o'clock news about how John Smith - born and raised in the USA was unfairly denied a job because E-Verify doesn't show him as a legal citizen. Nightmare.
The government's inability to operate and maintain data and systems is a big part of this problem. Even employers who want to do the right thing have difficulty because the data is so bad. The first year Arizona required employers to use E-Verify or face huge penalties, there were reports that showed the error rate of E-Verify was as high as 25%. We tried to use it for the first few years of the business and quickly discovered how bad the data was. For example, we'd get an applicant that had questionable looking documents who would clear E-Verify with no problems and another who we knew had been born in the US but E-Verify kept reporting that no records could be found. And guess how easy it was to contact a federal employee to ask questions of... Impossible.
So until our government can pull its act together and provide an accurate database of people who are eligible to work, it's ridiculous to lay all the blame on employers who have very few ways to actually verify anything.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 12, 2014 17:37:08 GMT -5
Did you hire the one with questionable looking documents? If so, you're part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 17:39:11 GMT -5
first of all, if it's a draft, it's not like you get a choice....second, why is 'I have children' a valid excuse for a woman but not for a man? seems as though a lot of people are saying men aren't as important as parents Because I'm old fashioned. If I die I know my husband can take care of my kids but if I am here I will be the one raising them. If something happened and one of us had to stay with the kids, it would be me. Luckily, my husband thinks the same way I do so there would never be any fights over who stays home to raise the kids (if it came to that...we both work).
I also happen to be one of those who think men are more important in combat roles than women. I don't care if anyone else agrees with me. if push comes to shove, it is my husband protecting the family, not me (unless he isn't around). He also takes out the trash, fixes things and kills things. That's the way I like it.
if you want to say you're old fashioned then you shouldn't be out working, you should be at home raising your kids and taking care of the house. it seems you only want to be old fashioned in ways it suits you but perfectly happy being a modern female in other ways that suit you.
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Post by milee on Feb 12, 2014 17:41:06 GMT -5
Did you hire the one with questionable looking documents? If so, you're part of the problem. We didn't end up hiring that guy, but I am part of the problem in other ways.
That still doesn't mean that it would be reasonable to require employers to use a system that is known to be incredibly inaccurate. After having to use government systems designed for business for years, I laughed long and hard at how incredibly naïve everybody was about the healthcare website rollout and how SHOCKED they were that it was late and sucky. Obviously, a good chunk of our population has never dealt with large government systems before or they would have expected that debacle.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 12, 2014 17:45:00 GMT -5
I reckon weapons are so big and deadly these days that don't need the numbers of infantry that they did in the last century.
They'll call up very bright people who can work out strategies...programme computers....or have special talents. I don't really think I'd be much use.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 12, 2014 17:50:05 GMT -5
Because I'm old fashioned. If I die I know my husband can take care of my kids but if I am here I will be the one raising them. If something happened and one of us had to stay with the kids, it would be me. Luckily, my husband thinks the same way I do so there would never be any fights over who stays home to raise the kids (if it came to that...we both work).
I also happen to be one of those who think men are more important in combat roles than women. I don't care if anyone else agrees with me. if push comes to shove, it is my husband protecting the family, not me (unless he isn't around). He also takes out the trash, fixes things and kills things. That's the way I like it.
if you want to say you're old fashioned then you shouldn't be out working, you should be at home raising your kids and taking care of the house. it seems you only want to be old fashioned in ways it suits you but perfectly happy being a modern female in other ways that suit you. Because I don't think women should go to was that somehow translates that i shouldn't work? I'm old fashioned in certain ways and modern in certain ways. I really don't care if you are ok with it or not. It works for me
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Feb 12, 2014 18:02:10 GMT -5
DH and I ( at this point in life ) would poor recruits. We would just not qualify based on our physicals. We would support our troops to the best of our abilities.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Feb 12, 2014 18:03:23 GMT -5
LOL @ Boskone. Ok, that is my last resort. I like backpacking and being in the wild but I also like electric heating, microwaves, and playing Candy Crush. I also like shaving every now and then.
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Post by doxieluvr on Feb 12, 2014 18:25:11 GMT -5
I think my dad is betting on some kind of invasion or coup....he bought body armor with plates for him and my mom. Note that mom did NOT want body armor. Let's not even go into the arsenal and ammo cache Body armor is often not certified. If he did not buy NIJ certified armor, he basically bought a heavy t-shirt. Also it has an expiration so he will want to replace it at some point. That some point varies depending on how it's been used and the manufacturer.
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Post by doxieluvr on Feb 12, 2014 18:28:08 GMT -5
How are you all getting into Canada? I thought they were pretty picky these days and they raised to price to buy in to $800,000. They would kick my ass out of their country in a heartbeat if I tried to sneak in. I would fight it I considered it a just war - if we were invaded or had what I considered to be a just cause. If we were fighting someone for our corporate interests to be able to drill in the newly exposed arctic oil fields (or something along those lines) I would probably end up in jail as a conscientious objector. There is an off chance I would head to Costa Rica or Nicaragua, which would be warmer and less expensive to buy residency, but probably I would suck it up and go to jail. I am married to a Canadian citizen.
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Post by doxieluvr on Feb 12, 2014 18:39:24 GMT -5
I think it's funny that people think that they can just hop over to Canada. It's not that easy to get papers. You have to have skills that Canada wants. And the Canadian govt does not look kindly on people who try to get out of their military duties. A handful of Americans tried to get refugee status as war objectors. Not one got the right to stay in Canada. I don't need to become a citizen! border guard: state the reason for your visit Me: heading to the Great Wolf Lodge in Niagara Falls Guard: how long is your visit Me: for the weekend and then once we're in we keep on trucking! we just need to get in and keep a low profile That's how my dh got into to the US. His dad gave a different location, but the conversation was very close.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 12, 2014 18:59:21 GMT -5
Does the US military really need a children's librarian? If they drafted me, I guess I would go, but I'm not sure how much use I would be, at least right away. A bit of training would probably bring back my out of date computer background. I am sure that I could get thru bootcamp, if my 100 lb. non-athletic bookworm DD1 can. She's learning Chinese in A school now for the Navy. She's the last of my kids that I ever pictured joining the military, but cryptology grabbed her attention. She was originally slated to begin Korean, but an injury in boot camp delayed her, so she joined the next class starting up. What you get is largely dumb luck.
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