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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 31, 2014 14:10:59 GMT -5
But to answer the question posed- the lifeboat actually has room for all 11 people and about a week's worth of supplies. 7 was the number determined by some bureaucratic government agency and put on the official "do not remove" label. Or, alternatively, the ship is described as "crippled" not sinking. Therefore a number of round trips could be made. Or, materials from the ship could be fashioned into an additional life raft, and/or a floating extension of the existing life raft. No improvisation or ingenuity allowed. Four must die. Well, then I refer you to my initial reply- there is a point. A totalitarian state must prepare the population for the effects of the policies by desensitizing them to death, and legitimizing the notion that "some are more equal than others"....
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 31, 2014 14:12:32 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely! And when we've run out of everything else to eat and are starting to look at one another and drool, we can bring out those quotes and have us a BBQ!! I was kinda thinking that might count as a reason to keep mmhmm around Honestly, this would be the kind of discussion kids would be having in class during this exercise. Making sure at least one of the refugees was liable to die off quickly and that she had some meat on dem bones.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 31, 2014 14:18:02 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely! And when we've run out of everything else to eat and are starting to look at one another and drool, we can bring out those quotes and have us a BBQ!! I was kinda thinking that might count as a reason to keep mmhmm around
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 31, 2014 14:18:58 GMT -5
I ain't eating no diabetic who's been off her insulin! Bloody breeding ground for infection, she is!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 14:26:43 GMT -5
I ain't eating no diabetic who's been off her insulin! Bloody breeding ground for infection, she is! Nice try. We aren't falling for it
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jan 31, 2014 14:28:24 GMT -5
I was kinda thinking that might count as a reason to keep mmhmm around LOL!! Not the REAL mmhmm! The obese, diabetic one who is going to try to analyze us all!
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 31, 2014 14:28:36 GMT -5
*paces restlessly, casting about for another gambit ...*
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 31, 2014 14:29:50 GMT -5
LOL!! Not the REAL mmhmm! The obese, diabetic one who is going to try to analyze us all! Trying to imagine skinny me as an obese diabetic is really kinda funny, and I can't even seem to analyze myself!
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jan 31, 2014 14:35:02 GMT -5
Mmhmm? You are toast....literally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 14:48:01 GMT -5
No improvisation or ingenuity allowed. Four must die. Well, then I refer you to my initial reply- there is a point. A totalitarian state must prepare the population for the effects of the policies by desensitizing them to death, and legitimizing the notion that "some are more equal than others".... It could work the exact opposite and sensitize people to the fact that this is how we operate and cause them to question it. At least that is how it worked on me.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 31, 2014 15:03:04 GMT -5
Most people really do believe some are more equal than others. They don't say it out loud, but life is full of situations where we pick winners and losers. Paul is here on this thread whining about the unfairness of it all, after spending months talking about "takers and makers" on every other political thread. It's the same attitude. We all have it.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 31, 2014 15:44:35 GMT -5
But to answer the question posed- the lifeboat actually has room for all 11 people and about a week's worth of supplies. 7 was the number determined by some bureaucratic government agency and put on the official "do not remove" label. Or, alternatively, the ship is described as "crippled" not sinking. Therefore a number of round trips could be made. Or, materials from the ship could be fashioned into an additional life raft, and/or a floating extension of the existing life raft. That is the kind of thinking they should teach- except for the anti-government poke. Question the question.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 31, 2014 15:48:49 GMT -5
I guess my answer is we leave nobody behind and the able bodied take turns swimming with the boat. Kobayashi Maru
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 31, 2014 15:55:45 GMT -5
So you exhaust and possibly kill the able bodied ones that are going to actually keep the group alive on the island while the obese diabetic and old guy with heart disease that are going to die anyway when their meds run out chill in the boat with the mentally retarded kid and the baby? Socialist.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 31, 2014 15:57:53 GMT -5
... The story is juvenile hypothetical nonsense. I agree it imparts nothing useful. Did you take into account that it is an activity designed for juveniles?
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 31, 2014 16:06:39 GMT -5
It said there were many islands in the area- how far away could they be? I leave no one behind. As I alluded to via captain Kirk- I don't believe in a no-win situation. Besides- everyone knows that the island has strange healing properties so being a diabetic is no problem- just look out for the others.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 31, 2014 16:14:19 GMT -5
Alcatraz is right next to San Francisco. You can see them pretty clearly from each other. Only a handful of people have ever made the swim, and plenty have tried it. All of them accomplished swimmers.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 31, 2014 16:28:41 GMT -5
Don't have to swim- just float and hold on to the boat.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 31, 2014 16:53:37 GMT -5
My first thought was to go with what Virgil said. But I didn't want to "follow the crowd." But after giving it more thought, I think that's the most logical way to proceed. Two out of the three Jewish family likely wouldn't make it, and it's not fair for the remaining one to live without his family. I'd be concerned about Archie having black power views, if it's the same as white power folks. Our medical needs are already being taken care of by Dr. Phonix, assuming he's healthy, but what good would a Dr. who only would treat black folks do us?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jan 31, 2014 16:57:04 GMT -5
Except that we know he's not healthy. Guy has had two heart attacks in five years. He shouldn't even be riding a roller coaster according to the medical disclaimer thing at the beginning of the line of every amusement park in the country. How long you think he's really going to last being exposed, half starved, dehydrated, and over-worked all without his meds? I give him a couple months tops. The problem specifically stated that rescue could take years. The 66 year old doc likely doesn't have that kind of time without his meds.
In my list he only made the cut because his competition was a 3 month old infant. A sick doc that might keel over at any minute is more useful to the group than a kid that can't even sit up on his own.
This is going to sound super disturbing, but he's also got more meat on his bones. Both the old doc and newborn have a low chance of survival on the island, the old, sick, and very young have higher mortality rates during famine and whatnot, and the doctor will provide more food to the rest of the survivors if it came to that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 31, 2014 17:20:52 GMT -5
My first thought was to go with what Virgil said. But I didn't want to "follow the crowd." But after giving it more thought, I think that's the most logical way to proceed. Two out of the three Jewish family likely wouldn't make it, and it's not fair for the remaining one to live without his family. I'd be concerned about Archie having black power views, if it's the same as white power folks. Our medical needs are already being taken care of by Dr. Phonix, assuming he's healthy, but what good would a Dr. who only would treat black folks do us? (I just cannot help myself. This thread is like an ever repeating train wreck.) Phoenix-where, oh where, in what very limited information provided, do you get the idea the black doctor would only treat black folks?
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jan 31, 2014 17:21:08 GMT -5
Ha! And here I was worried that my posts about who I'd save because I heard they taste like chicken would just be nonsense!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 31, 2014 17:26:11 GMT -5
My first thought was to go with what Virgil said. But I didn't want to "follow the crowd." But after giving it more thought, I think that's the most logical way to proceed. Two out of the three Jewish family likely wouldn't make it, and it's not fair for the remaining one to live without his family. I'd be concerned about Archie having black power views, if it's the same as white power folks. Our medical needs are already being taken care of by Dr. Phonix, assuming he's healthy, but what good would a Dr. who only would treat black folks do us? (I just cannot help myself. This thread is like an ever repeating train wreck.) Phoenix-where, oh where, in what very limited information provided, do you get the idea the black doctor would only treat black folks? Because the "problem" stated he was a black power advocate, which Virgil later elaborated to mean "black suprmecy." I suppose it's possible that the black supremecist would treat non black patients. But as you said, the information given is pretty vague, which I guess is part of the exercise.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 31, 2014 17:29:14 GMT -5
(I just cannot help myself. This thread is like an ever repeating train wreck.) Phoenix-where, oh where, in what very limited information provided, do you get the idea the black doctor would only treat black folks? Because the "problem" stated he was a black power advocate, which Virgil later elaborated to mean "black suprmecy." What is more supreme then being able to heal another and stop them from dying?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 31, 2014 17:30:48 GMT -5
(I just cannot help myself. This thread is like an ever repeating train wreck.) Phoenix-where, oh where, in what very limited information provided, do you get the idea the black doctor would only treat black folks? Because the "problem" stated he was a black power advocate, which Virgil later elaborated to mean "black suprmecy." I suppose it's possible that the black supremecist would treat non black patients. But as you said, the information given is pretty vague, which I guess is part of the exercise. What the fuck. This thread has been a real eye opener.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 31, 2014 17:32:55 GMT -5
Why am I even making a choice to begin with? I'm not even among the passengers of the S.S Guppy!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 31, 2014 17:35:33 GMT -5
Because the "problem" stated he was a black power advocate, which Virgil later elaborated to mean "black suprmecy." I suppose it's possible that the black supremecist would treat non black patients. But as you said, the information given is pretty vague, which I guess is part of the exercise. What the fuck. This thread has been a real eye opener. How so? How would you interpret the "black power advocate." Is it the same thing as "white power advocate"? To me, those both carry very negative connotations. But I suppose some might imagine something more along the lines of a civil rights advocate, but it's already been established the priest is a civil rights advocate, so if they are the same, why didn't they just say so? Anyways, there's no right or wrong answer in who to choose or how to interpret the information given. If you disagree and think it means something else, I can't claim you're wrong.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jan 31, 2014 17:38:10 GMT -5
Would the real mmmhmmm please stand up? I'd take the real mmhmm in a life or death situation than the fabricated one.
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Post by beenherebefore on Jan 31, 2014 17:59:37 GMT -5
This thread is a Riot!!
Make two trips, women, children, cereb and Mr. Archie should go first. Mr. Archie, a fine figure of a man will be able to take a short rest and then row back to get the rest of the group.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jan 31, 2014 18:02:37 GMT -5
yeah but is it appropriate for 6th graders, especially in our white centric, racist school system? I would say that the assignment, as written, is not appropriate for a general population 6th grade class. If you look at the copy posted in the Common Core thread on P&M, it is obviously not a published lesson. If, and there is no evidence that it was, assigned to sixth graders I think a teacher used a lesson designed for a older age group. The language used is a clear giveaway to me. OK. Let's suppose the twitter feed is lying. Long before you bailed out on your primary argument onto this "maybe it was designed for older students" tangent, you were going to the wall to defend the appropriateness of the assignment for a sixth-grade English class. "The fact that it is cast as a life and death scenario gives it a seriousness that helps kids focus." Remember that? How about: "I find the connection to English is the skills developed to articulate your perspective. Useful when analyzing literature. If it were my classroom, there would be a discussion of quality of discussion and logic in reaching a decision, not a focus on the decision made." or "Learning that there isn't a "right" answer but that different groups develop different ways to reach consensus in such situations is a valuable lesson." Seems to me like you think the exercise is just peachy. If it turned out to be mandated coursework for English classes US-wide, it'd get two enthusiastic thumbs up from billis. So let's ignore for a moment whether or not it's "obviously not a published lesson". You "obviously" wish it was a published lesson.
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