Finally, the overwhelmingly black on white "Knockout" game

[mmhmm]

As moonbeam said earlier, AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, I'm just sure you did ... 

[Opti]

You filed a police report against people who talked to you while you
were in your car. That complained about your driving?

[Tennesseer]

Dec 31, 2013 16:32:51 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

As moonbeam said earlier, AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP, I'm just sure you did ... 

That tale can be added to being swept six miles up the coast of Florida by a rip current.  Once safely reaching shore, a six walk mile back to his car, then another one mile walk back to the beach to get his beach chair, and still yet another one mile walk back to his car.

It must be exhausting.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 31, 2013 17:12:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

You filed a police report against people who talked to you while you
were in your car. That complained about your driving?

Why sure. After all, "As a middle aged white guy, I know it's open season on me for black yutes-- this isn't racist, it's just a fact.", don't you know.

[Opti]

If you get out of your vehicle in a lane of traffic and approach another driver, your motives are not up to you- they're up to the person you're approaching.

Incorrect. Your motives are always up to you. How other people
choose to determine what your motives are or are not are up to them.
And they are likely wrong more often than not.

[Opti]

Dem, I don't know whether to laugh at your story or decide it
might be a long winter.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 31, 2013 17:20:08 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Dec 31, 2013 16:25:57 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I don't have to hope for anything.  If you get out of your vehicle in a lane of traffic and approach another driver, your motives are not up to you- they're up to the person you're approaching.  It's an all-around bad idea.  And once they started yammering on about my driving- I didn't listen, I WATCHED-- where are their hands, and what are they doing?  I'd have done the same if they were talking about my tail light.  You can trust people that get out of their car and approach your vehicle.  I don't have the inclination to trust people who have already demonstrated extremely poor judgment.

Last week I was leaving a meeting downtown and a guy came up near my vehicle at a brisk rate with his hand in the air waving. It was a bit after dark.

Sensing danger, I quickly spun the wheel while goosing the pedal.  Eight cylinders of pure Ford power kicked in, and my truck spun around 180 degrees and the tailgate stopped inches from the perp's face.  As the salt, sand and snow settled I reached under the seat and grabbed the Uzi that I keep in a hollowed compartment for just such a need.  Jumping out of the cab I laid down a quick burst of defensive fire just to the right of the rear bumper.  By now the perp was cowering and whimpering softly.  DOWN! I growled, and he sank pitifully to the wet ground. The assembling crowd cheered as the police pulled up to take the cowering yute away. An ambulance tended to the kid my defensive fire wounded. The kid'll make it.

But really, I rolled down my window, and the guy asked me if I had any jumper cables.  I do carry them, and 5 minutes later he was on his way.

BRAVO!!!!!

[Sum Dum Gai]

You filed a police report stating two guys approached you and you brandished a weapon and threatened them? Not smart my friend. From a liability perspective you never want a record of you threatening unarmed people and brandishing a weapon in public. If you ever have to use your weapon that report will not help you out any. The prosecutor will love it though.

[mmhmm]

deminmaine, that was utterly priceless!  POTY! 

[Tennesseer]

Dec 31, 2013 17:46:07 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

You filed a police report stating two guys approached you and you brandished a weapon and threatened them? Not smart my friend. From a liability perspective you never want a record of you threatening unarmed people and brandishing a weapon in public. If you ever have to use your weapon that report will not help you out any. The prosecutor will love it though.

The incident probably never happened let along filing a police report. He's safe...for now.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 31, 2013 17:12:47 GMT -5 Opti said:

You filed a police report against people who talked to you while you
were in your car. That complained about your driving?

Yes.  I filed a police report about people who got out of their car and approached my vehicle to berate me because it's an aggressive move, and because I did brandish a weapon, I didn't want to find myself responding to a police report later on without being on record having reported the incident myself.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 31, 2013 17:55:50 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 31, 2013 17:46:07 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

You filed a police report stating two guys approached you and you brandished a weapon and threatened them? Not smart my friend. From a liability perspective you never want a record of you threatening unarmed people and brandishing a weapon in public. If you ever have to use your weapon that report will not help you out any. The prosecutor will love it though.

The incident probably never happened let along filing a police report. He's safe...for now.

It's the one and only time I've ever brandished a weapon in my life- and I didn't have to use it thankfully.  You can think what you want.  However, since it did happen- I'm completely correct in my assessment that getting out of your car in traffic and approaching another driver is a good way to get your head blown off down here.  It's never a good idea, and it's illegal, but mainly it's just foolish.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Dec 31, 2013 17:31:10 GMT -5 Opti said:

If you get out of your vehicle in a lane of traffic and approach another driver, your motives are not up to you- they're up to the person you're approaching.

Incorrect. Your motives are always up to you. How other people
choose to determine what your motives are or are not are up to them.
And they are likely wrong more often than not.

Nope.  Your motives are open to interpretation.  And when you're dropping f-bombs and calling the other driver an a*hole as you and a passenger approach the car- you can bet that the um, "interpretation" might be that you are not asking the other driver for jumper cables.  Your actions are ALWAYS open to interpretation by others, who btw do not have to be correct, only reasonably justified in their interpretation. I'm sure our Illinois friends would have had a nice record to go with the investigation of the whole incident.  Good people don't, on a whim, one day, acting in unison with another person decide to do something so foolish. 

[workpublic]

The AG hasn't had another case that was this blatantly obvious.

for mmm and evt,


of all the filmed ones, this is the only white on black i've seen. ALL of the others that were video taped(part of the game? the hunt?) were black on white. why no hate crime charges?

the "first" one noted in wiki from 1992 was a robbery, not polar bear hunting game.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 2, 2014 9:14:24 GMT -5 workpublic said:

The AG hasn't had another case that was this blatantly obvious.

for mmm and evt,


of all the filmed ones, this is the only white on black i've seen. ALL of the others that were video taped(part of the game? the hunt?) were black on white. why no hate crime charges?

the "first" one noted in wiki from 1992 was a robbery, not polar bear hunting game.

Of couse not.  There ìs no such thing as black polar bears.  But live In denial all you want.  The 1992 newspaper article is fact (which I imagine you did not read because it would blow your absolutes). 

For your denial pleasre, I will post the link (again) to the 1992 newspaper article of the 'Knockout Game'.

Death Of Student Linked To 'Knockout' Game

[mmhmm]

Jan 2, 2014 9:14:24 GMT -5 workpublic said:

The AG hasn't had another case that was this blatantly obvious.

for mmm and evt,


of all the filmed ones, this is the only white on black i've seen. ALL of the others that were video taped(part of the game? the hunt?) were black on white. why no hate crime charges?

the "first" one noted in wiki from 1992 was a robbery, not polar bear hunting game.

Because, workpublic, film or not, the others didn't outright admit, on tape, their INTENT was to attack someone of a specific color.

The "first" one (sic), I don't know.  Once you've knocked someone down, robbing that person may be a secondary thought, eh?  The "hate crime" stuff comes into it more through intent than actions.

[workpublic]

tenn,

If the 1992 "first one" is fact(i think it's mis classified)

what does that have to do with the fact that the current spate of it is overwhelmingly black on white, is called polar bear hunting(and that in itself auto classifies it as a hate crime)
it doesn't change the reality of what's going on. i think you are the one in denial on this.

mmmm, tenn,

what do think this phenomenon is then? kids "playing the fool" when the perps are black? and racist hate crimes when the perp is white?

how can the deniers justify that belief?

let me put it flat out there,

black perp, white victim "knockout game" - hate crime or not

[Tennesseer]

Jan 2, 2014 9:28:31 GMT -5 workpublic said:

tenn,

If the 1992 "first one" is fact(i think it's mis classified)

what does that have to do with the fact that the current spate of it is overwhelmingly black on white?
it doesn't change the reality of what's going on. i think you are the one in denial on this.

Well gee whiz workpublic.  You stated in reply #3, the game was invented by blacks.  I showed you the game is at least 21 plus years old and the first known death as a result of the knockout games was caused by white youths.  

Now it is your turn to prove absolutely blacks invented the game before 1992. 

[mmhmm]

what do think this phenomenon is then? kids "playing the fool" when the perps are black? and racist hate crimes when the perp is white?

how can the deniers justify that belief?

workpublic, it's not about "the deniers" justifying anything.  Who's justifying it?  Nobody!  It's pure viciousness perpetrated by cruel, bored, misanthropes.  It isn't a hate crime just because the perp is white.  It's a hate crime because the stupid perp flat-out SAID he was going to injure a black person.  It's really that simple.  There's no conspiracy.

If a person is badly injured, or killed as a result of this "game", it doesn't matter what color the victim is. It doesn't matter what color the perp is.  What matters, especially in this case, is the proof the crime was perpetrated on a person of a certain color ON PURPOSE and BECAUSE that person is that color - AND the perp admitted, on tape in a voice proven to be his, the crime was being perpetrated BECAUSE the victim of said crime was of a specific race.  There is specific and absolute evidence that race was the reason for the crime.  The perp provided that evidence.  In other cases, this evidence has not been there.  We can think what we wish, but we have no real EVIDENCE that race was the sole reason for those crimes because the perps were smarter than this half-wit and didn't provide said evidence.

Nobody is justifying anything.  It's about facts in evidence.

[workpublic]

tenn,

i plucked the hair you keep splitting from my earlier reply.

i still don't believe the 1992 incident was the birth of the game. i contend it was a robbery, like the homeless guy behind the MC ds that the authorities are trying to label a the knockout game.

even if it was invented in 1992 by white guys, it has been picked up by black youth as their own.
we will see more of white on black(as retaliation) now that the phenomenon has been publicized.
but the overwhelming majority of it is black on white. and that is due to racist hate. just because they don't admit on the videos, doesn't mean it isn't done for racist purposes. and i think we all know that.

mmhmm

yes what the white kid did was a hate crime, i'm not disputing that. imho, law enforcement/prosecutors tend to be lazy and love crimes tied up neatly in bows and delivered to them.
 i wonder if when they arrest black perps of the "hunt" if they ask them why they did it, why they picked the target(IMHO it's obvious buy the name polar bear hunting) and why they don't change the charge to a hate game after getting the answer.

my "rant" is not against the animals that are doing the "game" it's against law enforcement and govt. hypocrisy/agenda

[Tennesseer]

Jan 2, 2014 10:12:23 GMT -5 workpublic said:

tenn,

i plucked the hair you keep splitting from my earlier reply.

i still don't believe the 1992 incident was the birth of the game. i contend it was a robbery, like the homeless guy behind the MC ds that the authorities are trying to label a the knockout game.

even if it was invented in 1992 by white guys, it has been picked up by black youth as their own.
we will see more of white on black(as retaliation) now that the phenomenon has been publicized.
but the overwhelming majority of it is black on white. and that is due to racist hate. just because they don't admit on the videos, doesn't mean it isn't done for racist purposes. and i think we all know that.

mmhmm

yes what the white kid did was a hate crime, i'm not disputing that. imho, law enforcement/prosecutors tend to be lazy and love crimes tied up neatly in bows and delivered to them.

Keep denying the 1992 newspaper article called it the 'Knockout Game', including the 2014 definition of same.

[mmhmm]

yes what the white kid did was a hate crime, i'm not disputing that. imho, law enforcement/prosecutors tend to be lazy and love crimes tied up neatly in bows and delivered to them.

That's pretty much true of any case, workpublic.  Prosecutors want a conviction.  That's what they're there to do.  If the case evidence is murky, they're going to be less likely to pursue the "ultimate punishment".   They'll go for a lesser charge in order to get a conviction and, in the case of violent crime, get the perp off the street.  Evidence HAS to be there to convict.  You can't just guess, or decide something is true.  You have to be able to PROVE it's true.  That's what I've been saying.

There's another case coming up in New York that may well be charged as a hate crime.  Perp's name is Lashawn Martin, a black male.  The victim was an elderly, white man.  In this case, however, there is only the testimony of witnesses to go by.  Martin has not admitted to assaulting his victim because he was white.  The idiot in Texas did just that.

[mmhmm]

If we want to go back looking for the start of some of this garbage, we can go a lot further back than 1992.  All we have to do is drop the element of calling it a "game".  Men in white sheets used to hang other men from trees, or burn them in their homes.  Why?  Because the victims were the "wrong color".  Seems to me I remember another case in Texas in which a man was dragged to death behind a truck.  Why?  Because he was the wrong color.  Women were burned at the stake.  Why?  Because they were "witches".   It just wasn't referred to as a "game".  Still the same damned thing.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

So, if I understand the posts correctly there are people here denying that there is a clear racial motive to the black-on-white "knockout game" and black mob violence?  We are also going to deny that we have a racist black AG, Eric Holder, who has a well-documented personal racially biased worldview, and we're going to deny that he intervened in a surefire conviction of the New Black Panther Party's clear-cut violation of voter intimidation laws because the defendants were black?  What in the H E double hockey sticks could possibly have been another motive other than race in that voter intimidation case?  Barrack Obama and Eric Holder in particular both subscribe to a philosophy that America is a racist country and that it is their job to "right these wrongs" not by ensuring that justice is color-blind, but by reverse discrimination and a turning of the tables on "white America".  It's not a coincidence that the reign of the Obama regime has seen, rather than a healing of race relations with the first black President, a precipitous deterioration of race relations-- I suppose the deniers here will claim that this is all white racists upset because Obama is black.  Election results contradict this...

[zibazinski]

Seems pretty clear to me.

[mmhmm]

Jan 2, 2014 10:48:02 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

So, if I understand the posts correctly there are people here denying that there is a clear racial motive to the black-on-white "knockout game" and black mob violence?  We are also going to deny that we have a racist black AG, Eric Holder, who has a well-documented personal racially biased worldview, and we're going to deny that he intervened in a surefire conviction of the New Black Panther Party's clear-cut violation of voter intimidation laws because the defendants were black?  What in the H E double hockey sticks could possibly have been another motive other than race in that voter intimidation case?  Barrack Obama and Eric Holder in particular both subscribe to a philosophy that America is a racist country and that it is their job to "right these wrongs" not by ensuring that justice is color-blind, but by reverse discrimination and a turning of the tables on "white America".  It's not a coincidence that the reign of the Obama regime has seen, rather than a healing of race relations with the first black President, a precipitous deterioration of race relations-- I suppose the deniers here will claim that this is all white racists upset because Obama is black.  Election results contradict this...

Who has denied there's a black-on-white (or, a white-on-black for that matter) motive in any of these attacks, paul?  I don't think anyone has said that.  I, for one, have been talking about PROOF - EVIDENCE.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

In some cases, it's only harassment. Would you call this self-made video "ribbon bedecked"? I would...

foxnewsinsider.com/2014/01/10/video-teen-slaps-elderly-woman-police-say-it%E2%80%99s-only-harassment

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"That plan is to see if I were to hit a black person, would this be nationally televised?"

Aside from it being a hate crime, the above quote is the reason this and other acts of stupidity are happening.

[mmhmm]

AtlanticCoastofFloridaPaul

Reply #87 posted 4 hours ago CheckIPCheckSpamQuoteEditlikePost Options Post by AtlanticCoastofFloridaPaul on 4 hours ago
In some cases, it's only harassment. Would you call this self-made video "ribbon bedecked"? I would...

foxnewsinsider.com/2014/01/10/video-teen-slaps-elderly-woman-police-say-it%E2%80%99s-only-harassment

As is said on the tape you've provided, the charge hasn't yet been made.  The policeman at the scene said it was harassment.  The DA hasn't yet spoken.  Let's see what the charge is, once it's filed, AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP.  I'm betting an assault charge will be made, along with a couple of others.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jan 11, 2014 10:03:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

As is said on the tape you've provided, the charge hasn't yet been made.  The policeman at the scene said it was harassment.  The DA hasn't yet spoken.  Let's see what the charge is, once it's filed, AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP.  I'm betting an assault charge will be made, along with a couple of others.

I'll take that bet.