Phil & Duck Dynasty- UPDATE: A&E Caves

[thyme4change]

Dec 22, 2013 14:53:30 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 14:45:32 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Or they might pick up new viewers because of the scandal. I've never seen the show and never would have considered watching it before...now I am going to watch it to see what it is about. I will probably lose interest after an episode but maybe not.

I can assure you I would never buy any duck dynasty related!

Maybe - usually the curiosity driven stay for a short period of time.  Especially if they can't figure out how to keep it light and fun and keep the same mood about the show.  This is usually a "jump the shark" moment.

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 14:50:13 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Just once, tho, I'd like someone to take a stand based on what they feel is right - and stick to it - whichever side that may fall on.  Just once, I'd like to see something NOT come down to who screams the loudest.

In fairness, we don't know all concerned haven't taken a stand based on what they feel is right.  Mr. Robertson and his family certainly have.  We don't know that A&E didn't react to the article by GQ and the associated video on contractual terms rather than any outside pressure.  There's a lot being assumed here.  Some of those assumptions are based on information we simply don't have.  Perhaps, GLAAD did pitch a hissy, but the hissy took place after A&E was already looking into the matter from the perspective of their contract.  Subsequently, hissies have been being pitched on all sides.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Cracker Barrel made a knee-jerk decision based on the uproarfrom the gay community.  They flipped because of pressure from their customers who supported Mr. Robertson.  That's what they said - they heard their customers.  It had nothing to do with what they thought was right or wrong - it had to do with who screamed the loudest.  They even said so.  So yes.  We DO know.  Because they said so.

[steff]

Dec 22, 2013 15:03:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 22, 2013 14:53:30 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Or they might pick up new viewers because of the scandal. I've never seen the show and never would have considered watching it before...now I am going to watch it to see what it is about. I will probably lose interest after an episode but maybe not.

I can assure you I would never buy any duck dynasty related!

If ìt turns out you like Duck Dynasty, may I recommend Swamp People on the History Channel?

Swamp People is actually really good.  It's not forced situations & scripted silliness like DD. 

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 15:15:20 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Cracker Barrel made a knee-jerk decision based on the uproarfrom the gay community.  They flipped because of pressure from their customers who supported Mr. Robertson.  That's what they said - they heard their customers.  It had nothing to do with what they thought was right or wrong - it had to do with who screamed the loudest.  They even said so.  So yes.  We DO know.  Because they said so.

The uproar, as has been pointed out before, wasn't only from the gay community.  There were people of all stripes bellowing loud and long.

[Green Eyed Lady]

In all fairness, I probably wouldn't give up my livelihood for an issue that doesn't concern me either.   It's just that I get sick and tired of the squeaky wheel always getting the grease without ever considering that the squeaky wheel might be just wrong.

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 15:15:20 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Cracker Barrel made a knee-jerk decision based on the uproarfrom the gay community.  They flipped because of pressure from their customers who supported Mr. Robertson.  That's what they said - they heard their customers.  It had nothing to do with what they thought was right or wrong - it had to do with who screamed the loudest.  They even said so.  So yes.  We DO know.  Because they said so.

Cracker Barrel, quite frankly, isn't all that important in the big picture with regard to this issue.  They flip-flopped.  They might flip-flop again.  Who knows?

[Green Eyed Lady]

Dec 22, 2013 15:20:04 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:15:20 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Cracker Barrel made a knee-jerk decision based on the uproarfrom the gay community.  They flipped because of pressure from their customers who supported Mr. Robertson.  That's what they said - they heard their customers.  It had nothing to do with what they thought was right or wrong - it had to do with who screamed the loudest.  They even said so.  So yes.  We DO know.  Because they said so.

The uproar, as has been pointed out before, wasn't only from the gay community.  There were people of all stripes bellowing loud and long.

Isn't that what I just said?

[Green Eyed Lady]

Dec 22, 2013 15:21:46 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:15:20 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Cracker Barrel made a knee-jerk decision based on the uproarfrom the gay community.  They flipped because of pressure from their customers who supported Mr. Robertson.  That's what they said - they heard their customers.  It had nothing to do with what they thought was right or wrong - it had to do with who screamed the loudest.  They even said so.  So yes.  We DO know.  Because they said so.

Cracker Barrel, quite frankly, isn't all that important in the big picture with regard to this issue.  They flip-flopped.  They might flip-flop again.  Who knows?

I didn't say they were important.  I simply pointed out they flip-flopped because of loud screaming.  It was an example.

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 15:21:26 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

In all fairness, I probably wouldn't give up my livelihood for an issue that doesn't concern me either.   It's just that I get sick and tired of the squeaky wheel always getting the grease without ever considering that the squeaky wheel might be just wrong.

Heh.  Join the club.  However, the squeaky wheel getting the oil has been a fact of life for as long as I can remember.  It was one of my grandmother's favorite sayings, and I'm oooold!  She was oooolder! 

[mmhmm]

LOL!  Just read the letter from Cracker Barrel to their customers.  Some heads really need to roll in that company.  One of them should be the idiot that wrote this statement:

"Dear Cracker Barrel Customer:

When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain Duck Dynasty items, we offended many of our loyal customers. Our intent was to avoid offending, but that’s just what we’ve done.

You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren’t shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat out told us we were wrong.

We listened.

Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores.

And, we apologize for offending you.

We respect all individuals [sic] right to express their beliefs. We certainly did not mean to have anyone think different [sic].

We sincerely hope you will continue to be part of our Cracker Barrel family."


For cripe's sake!  If you can't write English, count beans, or something! 


Link to Article-Forbes

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 15:20:04 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:15:20 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Cracker Barrel made a knee-jerk decision based on the uproarfrom the gay community.  They flipped because of pressure from their customers who supported Mr. Robertson.  That's what they said - they heard their customers.  It had nothing to do with what they thought was right or wrong - it had to do with who screamed the loudest.  They even said so.  So yes.  We DO know.  Because they said so.

The uproar, as has been pointed out before, wasn't only from the gay community.  There were people of all stripes bellowing loud and long.

In the article Cracker Barrel specifically said they were afraid to offend their gay customers.

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 15:34:16 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:20:04 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

The uproar, as has been pointed out before, wasn't only from the gay community.  There were people of all stripes bellowing loud and long.

In the article Cracker Barrel specifically said they were afraid to offend their gay customers.

Yes, they did.  They also said they were afraid to offend their customers who weren't gay.   That, purportedly, was the reason for the flip-flop.  Still, there were an awful lot of people spitting fire at DD who did not identify as gay.  Looks like Cracker Barrel really is between a rock and a hard place.  They're mostly in the south, though, so that will help.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 15:07:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 22, 2013 14:50:13 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

Just once, tho, I'd like someone to take a stand based on what they feel is right - and stick to it - whichever side that may fall on.  Just once, I'd like to see something NOT come down to who screams the loudest.

In fairness, we don't know all concerned haven't taken a stand based on what they feel is right.  Mr. Robertson and his family certainly have.  We don't know that A&E didn't react to the article by GQ and the associated video on contractual terms rather than any outside pressure.  There's a lot being assumed here.  Some of those assumptions are based on information we simply don't have.  Perhaps, GLAAD did pitch a hissy, but the hissy took place after A&E was already looking into the matter from the perspective of their contract.  Subsequently, hissies have been being pitched on all sides.

Based on articles I have read, GLAAD was very quick to go to A&E and demand he be let go. I have found nothing to support that A&E put him on hiatus for anything related to contract or before the gay community pitched a fit. Nor is anyone refencing any kind of global outcry leading to his suspension. All that I have seen is related to the gays getting pissed off.

I'm actually shocked that al sharpton isn't involved...he loves to take issue with everything so I'm shocked he hasn't jumped in his comments related to the happy blacks back in the day

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 15:39:07 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:34:16 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

In the article Cracker Barrel specifically said they were afraid to offend their gay customers.

Yes, they did.  They also said they were afraid to offend their customers who weren't gay.   That, purportedly, was the reason for the flip-flop.  Still, there were an awful lot of people spitting fire at DD who did not identify as gay.  Looks like Cracker Barrel really is between a rock and a hard place.  They're mostly in the south, though, so that will help.

We have several cracker barrelsocally. I am nowhere near the south

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 15:41:55 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:07:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

In fairness, we don't know all concerned haven't taken a stand based on what they feel is right.  Mr. Robertson and his family certainly have.  We don't know that A&E didn't react to the article by GQ and the associated video on contractual terms rather than any outside pressure.  There's a lot being assumed here.  Some of those assumptions are based on information we simply don't have.  Perhaps, GLAAD did pitch a hissy, but the hissy took place after A&E was already looking into the matter from the perspective of their contract.  Subsequently, hissies have been being pitched on all sides.

Based on articles I have read, GLAAD was very quick to go to A&E and demand he be let go. I have found nothing to support that A&E put him on hiatus for anything related to contract or before the gay community pitched a fit. Nor is anyone refencing any kind of global outcry leading to his suspension. All that I have seen is related to the gays getting pissed off.

I'm actually shocked that al sharpton isn't involved...he loves to take issue with everything so I'm shocked he hasn't jumped in his comments related to the happy blacks back in the day

All any of us has seen is what the media have presented for us to see, MT.  I'm simply saying that may not be the whole story.  In fact, I'll go a step further - what the media presents is almost never the whole story.  There are other possibilities.  I don't believe we have anything close to all the pertinent facts.

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 15:42:56 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:39:07 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Yes, they did.  They also said they were afraid to offend their customers who weren't gay.   That, purportedly, was the reason for the flip-flop.  Still, there were an awful lot of people spitting fire at DD who did not identify as gay.  Looks like Cracker Barrel really is between a rock and a hard place.  They're mostly in the south, though, so that will help.

We have several cracker barrelsocally. I am nowhere near the south

I'm aware there are Cracker Barrels in areas other than the south.  That's why I said "mostly".

[Green Eyed Lady]

One older man from Louisiana......

It seems like everybody is saying the same thing:

I have the right to live my life as I choose to live it. You may not like it. You may think it's wrong. That's your right, but you are going to have to learn to live with it.

Not really so different.

[AGB]

Dec 22, 2013 11:25:21 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:23:11 GMT -5 frankq said:

Fair enough. I'm not sure that it is a direct comparison but point taken. I'm a little concerned that the media seems to be printing "two different quotes" as my post from "the daily" illustrates.

And he also lumped them in with drunks. I have many family members who are either recovering alcoholics, current alcoholics or dead. I didn't read that quote, gasp and think "my god, he compared my family to terrorists".

Context is everything. Mr. Robertson gave examples of things that, in his mind, are sinful. His mention of "drunks" wasn't to compare it to being gay, it was a reference to himself. He is not sitting in judgment of others; he knows he is no better than anyone else, since he makes a point of including his own actions in that list of sins.

"What, in your mind, is sinful?

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

During Phil’s darkest days, in the early 1970s, he had to flee the state of Arkansas after he badly beat up a bar owner and the guy’s wife. Kay Robertson persuaded the bar owner not to press charges in exchange for most of the Robertsons’ life savings. (“A hefty price,” he notes in his memoir.) I ask Phil if he ever repented for that, as he wants America to repent—if he ever tracked down the bar owner and his wife to apologize for the assault. He shakes his head.

“I didn’t dredge anything back up. I just put it behind me.”

As far as Phil is concerned, he was literally born again. Old Phil—the guy with the booze and the pills—died a long time ago, and New Phil sees no need to apologize for him: “We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

I just wish the takeaway was not, omg, he said homosexuality is a sin (if you don't believe in the Bible, why do you care what it says anyway?), but his approach to any sinner... "We just love ’em."

I'm still waiting for someone to explain GLAAD's response to me... where are those "vile and extreme stereotypes", those lies that "fly in the face of what true Christians" believe, the "public disdain" for LGBT people and their families?? link

[AGB]

Dec 22, 2013 15:41:55 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:07:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

In fairness, we don't know all concerned haven't taken a stand based on what they feel is right.  Mr. Robertson and his family certainly have.  We don't know that A&E didn't react to the article by GQ and the associated video on contractual terms rather than any outside pressure.  There's a lot being assumed here.  Some of those assumptions are based on information we simply don't have.  Perhaps, GLAAD did pitch a hissy, but the hissy took place after A&E was already looking into the matter from the perspective of their contract.  Subsequently, hissies have been being pitched on all sides.

Based on articles I have read, GLAAD was very quick to go to A&E and demand he be let go. I have found nothing to support that A&E put him on hiatus for anything related to contract or before the gay community pitched a fit. Nor is anyone refencing any kind of global outcry leading to his suspension. All that I have seen is related to the gays getting pissed off.

I'm actually shocked that al sharpton isn't involved...he loves to take issue with everything so I'm shocked he hasn't jumped in his comments related to the happy blacks back in the day

It's not just the articles, here is what GLAAD said in their statement:
"Phil's decision to push vile and extreme stereotypes is a stain on A&E and his sponsors who now need to reexamine their ties to someone with such public disdain for LGBT people and families."

GLAAD reached out to A&E to speak about if the network stands behind Robertson's comments."
link

[billisonboard]

Dec 22, 2013 16:17:31 GMT -5 AGB said:

...

I'm still waiting for someone to explain GLAAD's response to me... ...

Their response was a hypocritical attempt to silence anything that is not 100% supportive of anything and everything LGBT.



Is that the answer you want?

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 16:23:52 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 22, 2013 15:41:55 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Based on articles I have read, GLAAD was very quick to go to A&E and demand he be let go. I have found nothing to support that A&E put him on hiatus for anything related to contract or before the gay community pitched a fit. Nor is anyone refencing any kind of global outcry leading to his suspension. All that I have seen is related to the gays getting pissed off.

I'm actually shocked that al sharpton isn't involved...he loves to take issue with everything so I'm shocked he hasn't jumped in his comments related to the happy blacks back in the day

It's not just the articles, here is what GLAAD said in their statement:
"Phil's decision to push vile and extreme stereotypes is a stain on A&E and his sponsors who now need to reexamine their ties to someone with such public disdain for LGBT people and families."

GLAAD reached out to A&E to speak about if the network stands behind Robertson's comments."
link

Which they have a right to do, and which A&E has a right to answer, or choose not to answer.

[thyme4change]

Cracker Barrels suck so bad, I will continue to protest them.  Whatever they choose to do.  Unless the thing they do is improve their food.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 16:51:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Cracker Barrels suck so bad, I will continue to protest them.  Whatever they choose to do.  Unless the thing they do is improve their food.

I've never eaten there and we do have one very close. I do know of people that like their breakfast food. I hate breakfast so I will probably never eat there.

[Tennesseer]

Miss Tequila said:  "I'm actually shocked that al sharpton isn't involved..."

The NAACP beat Sharpton to the podium.  They and the Human Rights Campaign sent a joint letter to A&E:

The NAACP and the Human Rights Campaign wrote a joint letter to the president of A&E expressing "outrage and deep concern about the recent racist, homophobic, and ill-informed remarks made by Phil Robertson."

"Mr. Robertson claims that, from what he saw, African Americans were happier under Jim Crow. What he didn't see were lynching and beatings of black men and women for attempting to vote or simply walking down the street," the letter states.

"And his offensive claims about gay people fly in the face of science. In fact, it's important to note that every single leading medical organization in the country has said that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being LGBT -- it's not a choice, and to suggest otherwise is dangerous."

'Duck Dynasty' family stands by suspended patriarch

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2013 17:15:56 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 16:51:34 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Cracker Barrels suck so bad, I will continue to protest them.  Whatever they choose to do.  Unless the thing they do is improve their food.

I've never eaten there and we do have one very close. I do know of people that like their breakfast food. I hate breakfast so I will probably never eat there.

That one can get breakfast there at dinner time makes it a good restaurant.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 17:20:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Miss Tequila said:  "I'm actually shocked that al sharpton isn't involved..."

The NAACP beat Sharpton to the podium.  They and the Human Rights Campaign sent a joint letter to A&E:

The NAACP and the Human Rights Campaign wrote a joint letter to the president of A&E expressing "outrage and deep concern about the recent racist, homophobic, and ill-informed remarks made by Phil Robertson."

"Mr. Robertson claims that, from what he saw, African Americans were happier under Jim Crow. What he didn't see were lynching and beatings of black men and women for attempting to vote or simply walking down the street," the letter states.

"And his offensive claims about gay people fly in the face of science. In fact, it's important to note that every single leading medical organization in the country has said that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being LGBT -- it's not a choice, and to suggest otherwise is dangerous."

'Duck Dynasty' family stands by suspended patriarch

Ha! I knew someone would have to go after him for racism. I was worried there for a minute

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 17:22:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 22, 2013 17:15:56 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I've never eaten there and we do have one very close. I do know of people that like their breakfast food. I hate breakfast so I will probably never eat there.

That one can get breakfast there at dinner time makes it a good restaurant.

Do they make fluffy buttermilk pancakes? The people I know that rave about it talk a out biscuits and gravy. That's sounds absolutely disgusting to me! I hate eggs but I do love good buttermilk pancakes

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2013 17:23:01 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 17:20:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Miss Tequila said:  "I'm actually shocked that al sharpton isn't involved..."

The NAACP beat Sharpton to the podium.  They and the Human Rights Campaign sent a joint letter to A&E:

'Duck Dynasty' family stands by suspended patriarch

Ha! I knew someone would have to go after him for racism. I was worried there for a minute

How ìs the paragraph racist?

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2013 17:24:22 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 17:22:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

That one can get breakfast there at dinner time makes it a good restaurant.

Do they make fluffy buttermilk pancakes? The people I know that rave about it talk a out biscuits and gravy. That's sounds absolutely disgusting to me! I hate eggs but I do love good buttermilk pancakes

You can get pancakes among other things for breakfast.  Do you have Perkins restaurants where you are?  The are good for breakfast all day too.  Pancakes too.