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Post by Otto the Orange on Dec 1, 2013 5:42:19 GMT -5
I think now, in order to clear any confusion in the OP, we should list every possible scenario and see EXACTLY what is and is not permitted on OP's property some of you people are crazy
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Post by NoNamePerson on Dec 1, 2013 6:56:46 GMT -5
I think now, in order to clear any confusion in the OP, we should list every possible scenario and see EXACTLY what is and is not permitted on OP's property some of you people are crazySo glad you narrowed that down to SOME of us
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 8:18:44 GMT -5
I think now, in order to clear any confusion in the OP, we should list every possible scenario and see EXACTLY what is and is not permitted on OP's property some of you people are crazySo glad you narrowed that down to SOME of us Mr Bill is learning...
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Dec 1, 2013 9:14:36 GMT -5
...:::"After going into 'hoods were the houses are so close you could pass a jar of Grey Poupon between them, I appreciate that.":::...
Hahaha of all the items you could have picked. I'm sure Grey Poupon is on every hood table. It goes so well with the toast points and quail eggs.
...:::"So, yes, I probably could do that, since I have 6 acres.":::...
Or a preppers compound? Perhaps some lovely Abbottabad-style architecture?
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Post by thyme4change on Dec 1, 2013 10:06:20 GMT -5
...:::"After going into 'hoods were the houses are so close you could pass a jar of Grey Poupon between them, I appreciate that.":::... Hahaha of all the items you could have picked. I'm sure Grey Poupon is on every hood table. It goes so well with the toast points and quail eggs. Even in some nice neighborhoods the houses are close together - usually starter neighborhoods, but a lot of those McMansions are built right up to the lot line. It seems ridiculous to spend a ton of money on a huge house and have it be so close to your neighbors that you can hear them talking to each other at the dinner table.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 10:39:20 GMT -5
not all of us want to live on 10 acres and have the associated yard maintenance that goes with it. one of the top things I miss about living in a townhouse is the postage stamp yard....not that my SFH yard is all that large but it's larger than I would like when I'm mowing/edging/weedwacking/mulching
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 2, 2013 0:08:16 GMT -5
...:::"After going into 'hoods were the houses are so close you could pass a jar of Grey Poupon between them, I appreciate that.":::... Hahaha of all the items you could have picked. I'm sure Grey Poupon is on every hood table. It goes so well with the toast points and quail eggs. ...:::"So, yes, I probably could do that, since I have 6 acres.":::... Or a preppers compound? Perhaps some lovely Abbottabad-style architecture? You must be watching TLC again My FIL thinks we should start a family cemetery on our property and I am pretty sure he is not joking
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 2, 2013 0:12:19 GMT -5
...:::"After going into 'hoods were the houses are so close you could pass a jar of Grey Poupon between them, I appreciate that.":::... Hahaha of all the items you could have picked. I'm sure Grey Poupon is on every hood table. It goes so well with the toast points and quail eggs. Even in some nice neighborhoods the houses are close together - usually starter neighborhoods, but a lot of those McMansions are built right up to the lot line. It seems ridiculous to spend a ton of money on a huge house and have it be so close to your neighbors that you can hear them talking to each other at the dinner table. You must have visited town where my parents live. Bc of it's location, it is VERY desirable area and it every time I think that there is just no more place to build, another developer find another place to build. But bc many people who buy in that area are well off, they don't just build townhouses, they build SFH, huge ones, but *this* close to each other. It's been very interesting to see the development of that community over the last 20 yrs
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Post by nogooddeed on Dec 2, 2013 11:31:27 GMT -5
You must be watching TLC again My FIL thinks we should start a family cemetery on our property and I am pretty sure he is not joking Go with a natural burial cemetery. No mowing around the tombstones.
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Post by michelyn8 on Dec 2, 2013 12:38:08 GMT -5
I know in my county there are zoning regulations that determine what can be built where. There are also restrictions on lot size if you want to live in a mobile home (no less than 5 acres I think). And I recently read something about dividing up land for family and a time frame on sale of that new lot and to whom but don't remember the specifics - just read it as a way of preventing someone from creating a subdivision out of their farm without going through the proper channels. Other than those, most restrictions depend on where you are building. I once looked at a piece of property that had a restriction of no single wide mobile homes. Only double wides and stick built homes. The deed for my parent's land specifically states that no mobile homes of any kind can be put up on their lot or any of the others from the main property it was cut from. The landowner subdividing the property set that up. Personally, I won't live in a HOA controlled area. I like my freedoms and if I'm going to pay for a home then I'm going to want to live the way I want. Of course that means neighbors who may not care as much as me but at least then I won't have an HOA telling me I can't fence in my property to block the view of theirs.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 2, 2013 13:14:28 GMT -5
The restrictions on our land up North are part of the deed and were set by either the county or the township.
We have 1.6 acres that was sub-divided from a field. So there's no tree farming on it; no campers left unattended for more than 48 hours; no trailers; houses must be at least 1K sf. And no vehicles on it (to keep it from turning into a junkyard) There's a couple more but I don't remember them offhand. We're on top of a dam on a major river in the state and the land slopes mostly to the river. So drainage into the river is an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 13:23:55 GMT -5
The thing is they said at first you can't park your car in the driveway at night... So... I have 8 acres... Does this mean I can park it in the grass?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 2, 2013 13:28:22 GMT -5
I don't have a driveway!
And we have left our camper up there for 2 weekends in a row. No one commented. And our trees are just about big enough that people aren't going to be able to see what we leave up there.
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Post by greeniis10 on Dec 2, 2013 13:52:30 GMT -5
The thing is they said at first you can't park your car in the driveway at night... So... I have 8 acres... Does this jean I can park it in the grass? How can they even stipulate that?! What if you have a 2-car garage and 3+ vehicles? This is one of the many reasons I would NOT live somewhere with HOA regulations...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 13:55:02 GMT -5
Having an HOA > living in the sticks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 13:55:05 GMT -5
I think it's a private seller selling off part of their property. My guess is that since they own the property, they can put whatever stipulations they want in the contract and keep waiting for a buyer that will agree to them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 13:56:14 GMT -5
Having an HOA > living in the sticks. I find the opposite to be true here. HOA's are for condos, townhouses and gated communities. The further away from civilization you go, the more you'll see "toilets in the front yard".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 13:57:43 GMT -5
I think it's a private seller selling off part of their property. My guess is that since they own the property, they can put whatever stipulations they want in the contract and keep waiting for a buyer that will agree to them.
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Post by greeniis10 on Dec 2, 2013 15:18:08 GMT -5
I live smack in the middle of town and there are no HOAs. It's the newer developments and condos, townhomes, etc. that HOAs. The older, established neighborhoods do not have them around here.
I really dislike the cookie-cutter new developments. All the houses look the same and the streets are SO tiny because they are trying to pack in as many houses as possible.
One of the houses behind me was just painted a lime green with an even brighter shade of green for the trim and one next to it is light pink with bright pink trim. I don't care what the colors are; the houses are freshly painted and well maintained.
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Post by tskeeter on Dec 3, 2013 17:15:16 GMT -5
It probably differs greatly by area, but from personal experience my biggest recommendation would be to avoid deed restricted communities in areas with large numbers of retirees. Retirees aren't necessarily bad people, it's a mix like any other group. The problem is that retirees have a lot of time on their hands. A lot. Of time. To do things like monitor each other and measure the length of your grass. And attend HOA meetings that happen at 10:30 AM on a Tuesday (set deliberately that way so that only retirees are available...) A lot of truth to what you say, Milee. But there is another side to that coin. Retirees have time to volunteer to be the directors of your HOA. They're not trying to get to kids activities on top of a 10 or 12 hour work day. Retirees have time to volunteer to be on your HOA committee that oversees the maintenance of common areas. Retirees have time to repair the fences in your common area, so the cost to the homeowners is an $8 piece of fencing rather than $300 to pay for a couple of hours or so of a man's time, a couple of hours of use of a truck, and $8 for a piece of fencing. Retirees have time to volunteer to maintain your HOA's water feature when you can't seem to hire someone to do it right. Retirees have time to volunteer to put up Chrsitmas lights at the entrance to your neighborhood so the homeowners don't have to pay someone $500 to do the same job. Retirees make the time to pick up the trash along your main entry drive every day that kids driving through the neighborhood threw out of car windows. Retirees have time to plan, organize, and put on the HOA Easter Egg Hunt that your kids went to. And edit the HOA newsletter. And act as the webmaster for the HOA web site. Oh, and to deal with your neighbor with the cowbell wind chimes that are driving you nuts, but you are too chicken to confront, and to tell the prospective homeowner who wants to put a commercial homing pigeon operation in his back yard no, and to deal with the excavation contractor who thinks it is OK to keep his truck, backhoe, excavator, and other equipment in his back yard, so that you can get the benefit of the diesel exhaust while he warms up the motors on his equipment every morning. At least, that's the way it works in our neighborhood. Sure, some folks are always complaining and retirees are frequently more fussy than average. But, if you don't want to follow the CC&R's of the neighborhood, don't buy in that neighborhood. The oldsters can sometimes be annoying, but they often do lots of things that provide you benefits, too.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 3, 2013 17:33:08 GMT -5
If you have a two car garage and three cars, the first two must be garaged.
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Post by JustLurkin on Dec 3, 2013 19:18:31 GMT -5
not all of us want to live on 10 acres and have the associated yard maintenance that goes with it. one of the top things I miss about living in a townhouse is the postage stamp yard....not that my SFH yard is all that large but it's larger than I would like when I'm mowing/edging/weedwacking/mulching
Apparently the landscapers for the common area came through today...we have leaves everywhere and I'm one of a handful who did not rake this weekend...I wish I could say it was only because I was away this past weekend...but I'm not even sure I have a rake ... so glad they raked my yard (I have a contract with them, just not used to getting my yard raked in *December*).
The townhouse development next to me doesn't have yards...the homes butt up against each other...I guess the AC is on the roof (?)...I had considered one of them for a split second, but even though I hate yard work, I think it probably affects the resale value.
I've heard enough about other people's homeowner's associations that I wouldn't do it again, but I like mine...they probably handle a lot of crap I don't know about, but for me they've occasionally sent the "uhhh, in case you didn't know, your house needs some work" letter. But that's the only contact I've had, and it's been maybe 3 letters over the past decade. Our neighborhood has a lot of families and homes are well-maintained.
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Post by milee on Dec 3, 2013 19:33:27 GMT -5
It probably differs greatly by area, but from personal experience my biggest recommendation would be to avoid deed restricted communities in areas with large numbers of retirees. Retirees aren't necessarily bad people, it's a mix like any other group. The problem is that retirees have a lot of time on their hands. A lot. Of time. To do things like monitor each other and measure the length of your grass. And attend HOA meetings that happen at 10:30 AM on a Tuesday (set deliberately that way so that only retirees are available...) A lot of truth to what you say, Milee. But there is another side to that coin. Retirees have time to volunteer to be the directors of your HOA. They're not trying to get to kids activities on top of a 10 or 12 hour work day. Retirees have time to volunteer to be on your HOA committee that oversees the maintenance of common areas. Retirees have time to repair the fences in your common area, so the cost to the homeowners is an $8 piece of fencing rather than $300 to pay for a couple of hours or so of a man's time, a couple of hours of use of a truck, and $8 for a piece of fencing. Retirees have time to volunteer to maintain your HOA's water feature when you can't seem to hire someone to do it right. Retirees have time to volunteer to put up Chrsitmas lights at the entrance to your neighborhood so the homeowners don't have to pay someone $500 to do the same job. Retirees make the time to pick up the trash along your main entry drive every day that kids driving through the neighborhood threw out of car windows. Retirees have time to plan, organize, and put on the HOA Easter Egg Hunt that your kids went to. And edit the HOA newsletter. And act as the webmaster for the HOA web site. Oh, and to deal with your neighbor with the cowbell wind chimes that are driving you nuts, but you are too chicken to confront, and to tell the prospective homeowner who wants to put a commercial homing pigeon operation in his back yard no, and to deal with the excavation contractor who thinks it is OK to keep his truck, backhoe, excavator, and other equipment in his back yard, so that you can get the benefit of the diesel exhaust while he warms up the motors on his equipment every morning. At least, that's the way it works in our neighborhood. Sure, some folks are always complaining and retirees are frequently more fussy than average. But, if you don't want to follow the CC&R's of the neighborhood, don't buy in that neighborhood. The oldsters can sometimes be annoying, but they often do lots of things that provide you benefits, too. Definitely. I'm self-aware enough to not buy in a neighborhood that has CC&Rs.
As for the trade-offs between getting free work in exchange for dealing with busybodies who want to patrol the neighborhood, I'd almost always rather pay the extra $$$ than deal with the associated issues. Our neighborhood has 140 homes, so if a volunteer group were to save the neighborhood $5k a year, that's $35 per home. I will gladly pay $35 to avoid HOA patrol issues. It's not that I don't appreciate the work - I do and we participate just as much as any of the neighbors, retired or otherwise - but IMHO it's silly to give up feeling comfortable in your home over such a small amount of money.
Our neighborhood's deed restrictions expired years ago (and good thing - because they contained things like dictating what race of people you could sell a home to...), so we just have a voluntary association that collects money to maintain the neighborhood park and entry areas. 92% of the houses pay, even though there's no contractual requirement. And most of us pitch in to volunteer for work projects like re-decking the dock, etc. Just this last week we put out Christmas lights and the mix was no more retirees than the neighborhood is. It's possible to have a nice 'hood, get things done and still not have an overbearing HOA presence. But you have to be willing to live with the idea that not all houses will be painted the same color and some people will have unusual lawns. I'm happy with it; it works for our family.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 20:43:29 GMT -5
I'm the retired HOA volunteer who will now mow the lawn of the abandoned house in the next block. And who spent time online Thanksgiving Day helping a property owner deal with sewage spilling into his backyard from the adjacent property. And the one who juggled cooking, cleaning and laundry today with emails about the single family residences converted into boarding houses, and the auto dealer with 10+ cars in his driveway.
I'm the only retiree in our group; everyone else is working 40-60 hours a week. We all invested $$ in our neighborhood and now we invest our time in keeping things where they need to be. Our dues are completely voluntary so we know who's in and who's out. On a whole we don't waste a lot of time looking for a governmental entity to bail us out of our problems, but we do invest in politicians who support our neighborhoods.
If you want to go commando, head to the country. I don't need a grow house or a meth lab less than ten feet from my bedroom. And I sure don't need free-range chickens or pitbulls in my front yard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 10:57:29 GMT -5
If you want to go commando, head to the country. I don't need a grow house or a meth lab less than ten feet from my bedroom. And I sure don't need free-range chickens or pitbulls in my front yard. It really isn't either/or. None of those are on my road although there are some very annoying geese that walk through my yard on the way to the pond. Oh, and there are some mean, mean deer who keep mixing up my vegetable garden with a salad bar. Sure, there's a toilet propped up on the back of their house. But they don't care that we have a flagpole in the middle of our front yard, which is not allowed by most of the HOAs in our area. Neither of us are harming each other or really each other's property values.
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Post by tskeeter on Dec 4, 2013 13:09:09 GMT -5
A lot of truth to what you say, Milee. But there is another side to that coin. Retirees have time to volunteer to be the directors of your HOA. They're not trying to get to kids activities on top of a 10 or 12 hour work day. Retirees have time to volunteer to be on your HOA committee that oversees the maintenance of common areas. Retirees have time to repair the fences in your common area, so the cost to the homeowners is an $8 piece of fencing rather than $300 to pay for a couple of hours or so of a man's time, a couple of hours of use of a truck, and $8 for a piece of fencing. Retirees have time to volunteer to maintain your HOA's water feature when you can't seem to hire someone to do it right. Retirees have time to volunteer to put up Chrsitmas lights at the entrance to your neighborhood so the homeowners don't have to pay someone $500 to do the same job. Retirees make the time to pick up the trash along your main entry drive every day that kids driving through the neighborhood threw out of car windows. Retirees have time to plan, organize, and put on the HOA Easter Egg Hunt that your kids went to. And edit the HOA newsletter. And act as the webmaster for the HOA web site. Oh, and to deal with your neighbor with the cowbell wind chimes that are driving you nuts, but you are too chicken to confront, and to tell the prospective homeowner who wants to put a commercial homing pigeon operation in his back yard no, and to deal with the excavation contractor who thinks it is OK to keep his truck, backhoe, excavator, and other equipment in his back yard, so that you can get the benefit of the diesel exhaust while he warms up the motors on his equipment every morning. At least, that's the way it works in our neighborhood. Sure, some folks are always complaining and retirees are frequently more fussy than average. But, if you don't want to follow the CC&R's of the neighborhood, don't buy in that neighborhood. The oldsters can sometimes be annoying, but they often do lots of things that provide you benefits, too. Definitely. I'm self-aware enough to not buy in a neighborhood that has CC&Rs.
As for the trade-offs between getting free work in exchange for dealing with busybodies who want to patrol the neighborhood, I'd almost always rather pay the extra $$$ than deal with the associated issues. Our neighborhood has 140 homes, so if a volunteer group were to save the neighborhood $5k a year, that's $35 per home. I will gladly pay $35 to avoid HOA patrol issues. It's not that I don't appreciate the work - I do and we participate just as much as any of the neighbors, retired or otherwise - but IMHO it's silly to give up feeling comfortable in your home over such a small amount of money.
Our neighborhood's deed restrictions expired years ago (and good thing - because they contained things like dictating what race of people you could sell a home to...), so we just have a voluntary association that collects money to maintain the neighborhood park and entry areas. 92% of the houses pay, even though there's no contractual requirement. And most of us pitch in to volunteer for work projects like re-decking the dock, etc. Just this last week we put out Christmas lights and the mix was no more retirees than the neighborhood is. It's possible to have a nice 'hood, get things done and still not have an overbearing HOA presence. But you have to be willing to live with the idea that not all houses will be painted the same color and some people will have unusual lawns. I'm happy with it; it works for our family.
Milee, I do get the idea that many people don't want to be bothered with an HOA. And I get why. There have been times when I was pretty annoyed with the HOA in our last neighborhood. I love our association attorney's comment that HOA's exist to take rights away from homeowners. However, I just don't get the thought process of people who agree in writing to comply with the CC&R's and then act as though the CC&R's don't apply to them. Or, who immediately want the CC&R's to be changed to accomodate their desire to do something that is prohibited by the CC&R's. (In our neghborhood, this is most often changing the CC&R's to permit them to store their Class A motorhome in their yard. If that's what they wanted, they could have bought the same home in the subdivision 1/4 mile down the road and parked their RV next to their neighbor's semi trailer and Seatainer. Oh, they didn't want to buy in that neighborhood because it looked a little junky. Hmm--wonder why.) Funny how they just go away when they are told they are welcome to start a campaign to change the CC&R's, all they have to do is get more than 50% of their 450 neighbors to vote to make the change. Finding out that some of us bought in this particular neighborhood because the CC&R's prohibited storing your collection of large toys in your yard and driveway might also be a factor in their decision not to pursue changing the CC&R's.
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Post by milee on Dec 4, 2013 13:42:54 GMT -5
Milee, I do get the idea that many people don't want to be bothered with an HOA. And I get why. There have been times when I was pretty annoyed with the HOA in our last neighborhood. I love our association attorney's comment that HOA's exist to take rights away from homeowners. However, I just don't get the thought process of people who agree in writing to comply with the CC&R's and then act as though the CC&R's don't apply to them. Or, who immediately want the CC&R's to be changed to accomodate their desire to do something that is prohibited by the CC&R's. Completely agree. Before you buy a home, know what the rules are and aren't. And live with them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2013 14:09:55 GMT -5
If you want to go commando, head to the country. I don't need a grow house or a meth lab less than ten feet from my bedroom. And I sure don't need free-range chickens or pitbulls in my front yard. It really isn't either/or. None of those are on my road although there are some very annoying geese that walk through my yard on the way to the pond. Oh, and there are some mean, mean deer who keep mixing up my vegetable garden with a salad bar. Sure, there's a toilet propped up on the back of their house. But they don't care that we have a flagpole in the middle of our front yard, which is not allowed by most of the HOAs in our area. Neither of us are harming each other or really each other's property values. I guess I'm the only one that doesn't want to live near a house with a toilet in their yard.
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Post by skubikky on Dec 4, 2013 14:25:51 GMT -5
We live way out in a rural area on a number of acres, surrounded by farm land and a few neighbors on each side. We can and do whatever we want. i.e. -burning man during our annual summer outdoor party and camping weekend -fireworks whenever there is a need -bon fires in summer and winter -illuminated ice rink for hockey -dirt biking, ATVing or whatever else can be ridden out in the field. -DH is growing hops around the ice rink, think big posts with strings attached.
None of these things would be possible in suburbia and most certainly not if there was an HOA.
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Post by Peace77 on Dec 4, 2013 15:37:38 GMT -5
Burning a man?? That must be a typo!
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