Nazgul Girl
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Dec 4, 2013 6:06:17 GMT -5
Post by Nazgul Girl on Dec 4, 2013 6:06:17 GMT -5
There really is no point to these kinds of discussions. Because you are not allowed to attempt to qualify anyone's suffering in any way. And, if you do, then you are being unsympathetic, blah, blah. Not sure how a life of disability is really "helping" anyone recover from PTSD. And, yes, there are indeed people who suffer from it. But, a life of barely surviving on disability seems the bare minimum of helping someone recover from that. I would think the goal would be having someone overcome it and thrive versus that but this is where we are as a society. But, if writing a check somehow makes us all feel better and pretend to have solved the problem, then so be it. That's a callous statement, in my opinion. If someone can't even work because they are so paralyzed by their combat experiences, then of course they need help after serving our country. And, it's not just " writing a check somehow makes us all feel better and pretend to have solved the problem, then so be it. " When we care for our veterans, it's our way of saying " thank you " as a society.
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hoops902
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Dec 4, 2013 11:40:58 GMT -5
Post by hoops902 on Dec 4, 2013 11:40:58 GMT -5
The "T" in PTSD stands for "traumatic". Wall Street Trading may be stressful, but traumatic it is not, at least not in terms of the standards set forth by the DSM. The stressor criteria which I assume you are using to stand in for "trauma" is pretty widespread in possible interpretation. The DSM allows that criteria for death, threatened death, actual or threatened serious injury, or actual or threatened sexual violence. It also allows it through direct exposure, witnessed exposure, indirect exposure such as learning that a friend or relative was exposed to one of the above traumas, or repeated or extreme indirect exposure to aversive details of one of the above events. So this "trauma" element is met VERY easily. If anyone I know has ever been threatened...it is met. That's a big reason why it's such a joke in some cases. Nearly everyone meets the "trauma" element as the DSM defines it. So nearly EVERYONE meets the trauma standard. It's the other standards that most people don't meet. But those standards are very much internal and rely on self-reporting which is obviously simple to fake.
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hoops902
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Dec 4, 2013 11:44:26 GMT -5
Post by hoops902 on Dec 4, 2013 11:44:26 GMT -5
::When we care for our veterans, it's our way of saying " thank you " as a society.::
Almost all of us do important societal functions...the difference is that nobody (almost nobody) wants to call out someone in the military as being full of shit because then they are "unpatriotic". Their "thank you" is the paycheck they get.
::If someone can't even work because they are so paralyzed by their combat experiences, then of course they need help after serving our country.::
They are no more deserving of help than anyone else (the real argument I think is that they are just more likely to be affected by PTSD). The question is, who is actually so paralyzed they can't work, and who is just saying that.
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whoisjohngalt
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Dec 4, 2013 12:22:37 GMT -5
Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 4, 2013 12:22:37 GMT -5
There really is no point to these kinds of discussions. Because you are not allowed to attempt to qualify anyone's suffering in any way. And, if you do, then you are being unsympathetic, blah, blah. Not sure how a life of disability is really "helping" anyone recover from PTSD. And, yes, there are indeed people who suffer from it. But, a life of barely surviving on disability seems the bare minimum of helping someone recover from that. I would think the goal would be having someone overcome it and thrive versus that but this is where we are as a society. But, if writing a check somehow makes us all feel better and pretend to have solved the problem, then so be it. See, and you thought I never agree with you
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Nazgul Girl
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Dec 4, 2013 20:06:48 GMT -5
Post by Nazgul Girl on Dec 4, 2013 20:06:48 GMT -5
Well, I guess I'll just have to disagree with some of our fine posters, than. I would think that the suicide rate amongst returning veterans would be something that would signal that PTSD is pretty widespread and untreated due to the stigma that Rachets mentions, but whatever.
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The Home 6
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Dec 4, 2013 20:44:57 GMT -5
Post by The Home 6 on Dec 4, 2013 20:44:57 GMT -5
Hoops, I don't understand how or why someone would want to fake PTSD. I mean, I understand that it is for greed, but the mindset behind it just baffles me. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
***Everything that follows is personal experience and/or anecdotal. It is not scientific research.****
Like I said before, it took me a while to ask for help. I think it's that way with a lot of vets. The military does push suicide prevention and counseling and talking and 'go see the chaplain' and all sorts of stuff, but a lot think that it's a sign of weakness. For me, it was an issue of harming Big Sarge's career if word got out that I had PTSD. Keep in mind that most of his co-workers had no idea that I had ever been anything other than a SAHM, let alone that I spent 2 years in the Middle East.
An instructor at my last college convinced me to talk to her shrink, who helped me apply for VA benefits. I was denied after waiting for 11 months. I filed an appeal, then moved across the country. Let me tell you how long it takes the VA to find you, even after you tell them you move. I'm coming up on 2 years of fighting with them, and I'm TIRED. Every 3 months or so, I get a letter in the mail saying that they haven't forgotten about my claim. Really.
Maybe SSDI is easier to apply for, less paperwork, fewer exams.
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