Another teen killed by scared nut with a gun-poss SYG case

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19yo female killed by shotgun blast to the head- no arrest yet- prosecutors want more information.......

     Four days after a young woman was found dead outside a Dearborn Heights home at which she is believed to have sought help after a car accident, the family is asking: Why did she have to die?

     Little has been publicly released about the circumstances of Renisha McBride’s death Saturday. The 19-year-old from Detroit died of a shotgun blast to the head outside the home in the 16800 block of Outer Drive near Warren Avenue. Dearborn Heights police said they have “identified the person who fired the shot and killed the woman

     Spinks said the family met with police and Prosecutor’s Office about the shooting. She said police told the family the shooter is a man in his 50s. 

     Police on Wednesday asked the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office to issue a warrant for the resident in the fatal shooting, but late Wednesday, the office said it sent back the request.

www.detroitnews.com/article/20131106/METRO01/311060086/Charges-sought-Dearborn-Heights-resident-fatal-shooting

usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/07/21350998-family-demands-charges-after-unarmed-19-year-old-woman-shot-dead-in-potential-stand-your-ground-case?lite

Please not again.....

[Virgil Showlion]

I don't get how SYG would apply to shooting a non-aggressor.

This seems more like a case that would intersect Florida's castle doctrine.

[zibazinski]

Ah, Florida, the favorite target. 

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This case has nothing to do with Florida. For those that didn't read the link, a young woman in Detroit was shot in the head because she knocked on someone's front door to ask for help after an accident.

[zibazinski]

You're right, it just usually is so I assumed. Apologies. Unfortunately, I'd be afraid in the Detroit area as well. Or for the matter, in any area, after dark. I'd have my gun ready but certainly would call the police for her. I hope that she was asking for them to and not just banging on their door. That would frighten anyone. It's too bad because some crazies are allowed to walk the earth, people are afraid.

[resolution]

Here is a Florida one for you where the police beat up a Down's Syndrome man who was walking on the sidewalk in front of his house because his colostomy bag made a bulge in his pants.

miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/14/family-hires-attorney-after-police-scuffle-with-special-needs-man/

[zibazinski]

How'd that get missed?

[zibazinski]

Yuck. That's bad. I hope DFs friend stays cool. He's a new policeman. 

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Actually I just noticed its a couple of years old. I'm not sure how it made the front page of reddit this morning.

[Value Buy]

When I opened the article, I noticed the time frame was 2:30 am.
The article states nothing as to whether she was injured, under the influence, or anything of the sort, so there are more details to come, I assume.
Since this did happen in the area of Detroit, circumstances do make homeowners weary of knocks on the door at that time of night.
Not that shooting her was right or warranted........
What I did find interesting was the link to the right, which happens to also be interesting.
A shooting at a barbershop in Detroit. Nine injured, with children also present.
I bring this up, because homeowners wakened at 2:30 am have real life situations like this they deal with everyday in Detroit, Chicago, Gary, etc, and sometimes bad things happen because citizens do not want to be front page news the next day describing their death.

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Grapevine update- not official- but there are some things that will make people squirm on both sides of the nonsensical side.

There are those that immediately blame the victim, and those that immediately blame the shooter- and the rest of us.  Like the GZ case- this woman was a thug threat and deserved it or the homeowner was a racist chickenshit. 

It appears that is not the whole story- and maybe I assumed to much- IF certain facts turn out to be true.  There are the bullshit sources out there- which may have a kernel of truth- that maybe this person was intoxicated/on drugs/ the crack queen of Michigan

So that if true, while satisfying plenty of racist,blood hungry gun owners and going down as a good shoot in their books, still does not excuse a murder.  And to reiterate that point- a 5'4  female teenager VS grown man with a shotgun is not really self defense in any possible way- well except for maybe in Florida.


The other story- which could be bullshit also- is that this person heard a lot of banging at the front door and went to it with a shotgun and tripped, discharging the weapon.  They are clammed up tight on this one. 

What I gathered is this happened with a door open on the porch- and there was almost 4 hours of time between the crash and the call to the police.  Just a question though- does anyone here grab their shotgun if someone knocks on their door at 2AM? OR better question take the safety off if they do? I call it paranoia. People are not going to knock on your door at 2AM to come rob you.

Have a friend at work- had a naked guy show up at her house around midnight claiming someone was trying to kill him- so she called the cops and waited- turns out he was running from an angry husband down the street.  

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Update- though I think there is a lack of interest- 2nd degree murder charge with the lessers. 

For some reason they are letting this man turn himself in.....  His best story is an accidental fatal shot to the face from a distance.  And as usual the trolls and the absolute worst people in the world with an internet connection are defending him.  I knew better than to read the comments because I knew what would be there- wow.  (She was intoxicated and had weed in her system )   Might even have had some purple drank
 

[zibazinski]

I think there's more to it. Someone banging on my doors at 2 am is going to be met with a gun as well. In Detroit, does anyone even bother calling the police? I wouldn't. I'd be long dead, stiff and cold, before they got to me.

[resolution]

The homeowner called the police after he shot her and they arrived in two minutes.

ETA I agree it would be scary to have someone banging on the door at 2:00 am. But I would have called the cops and not opened the door.

[zibazinski]

I, as well, but I also don't go banging on doors in the middle of the night. If I was in a situation, I'd be asking for the homeowner to call the police. Too bad the homeowner over reacted but its understandable to me. I'm wondering if the police response was so fast because shots were fired?

[MarleyKeezy78]

In Detroit if someone is banging on the door in the middle of the night a gun is your friend! Now there was no reason to shoot her for standing on his porch but if she decided to come through the door, well then different story. I live about thirty mins from where this took place and it's all over the news here. I want to know why she called the cops and then left the scene of the accident? She was drunk and high and wandering around pounding on doors. There is so much violence in Detroit and I would be in absolute terror if someone was pounding on my door at that time of morning! It's everyday, people getting shot and I'm not surprised people are jumping the gun (no pun intended) and just shooting first asking questions later. He really should have called the cops though, in my opinion. I will be following this story to see what the outcome is.

[mtman]

The reason this is big news is that the home owner is white and the victim (?) is black.....People are killed in Detroit every day.

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You can well bet I'd be meeting, with a gun, anyone banging on my door at 2 in the morning, especially if living in Detroit.
I can't believe that this anti-gun issue is still being presented.

[mtman]

Nov 16, 2013 11:22:53 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

You can well bet I'd be meeting, with a gun, anyone banging on my door at 2 in the morning, especially if living in Detroit.
I can't believe that this anti-gun issue is still being presented.

I live in the relatively safe northwest.....But anyone banging on my door at 2:00am is going to be staring at the business end of my .44 desert eagle.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 16, 2013 8:12:16 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

I think there's more to it. Someone banging on my doors at 2 am is going to be met with a gun as well. In Detroit, does anyone even bother calling the police? I wouldn't. I'd be long dead, stiff and cold, before they got to me.

i don't think i would bring my gun.  but i can see clearly out my front door.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 16, 2013 11:22:09 GMT -5 mtman said:

The reason this is big news is that the home owner is white and the victim (?) is black.....People are killed in Detroit every day.

really?  i would assume that it is news because the victim is dead and the home owner is alive.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 16, 2013 11:28:39 GMT -5 mtman said:

Nov 16, 2013 11:22:53 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

You can well bet I'd be meeting, with a gun, anyone banging on my door at 2 in the morning, especially if living in Detroit.
I can't believe that this anti-gun issue is still being presented.

I live in the relatively safe northwest.....But anyone banging on my door at 2:00am is going to be staring at the business end of my .44 desert eagle.

why?  seriously- the first thing i would assume is that the person at the door was in distress.  answering with a gun would not help that person. 

what would YOU assume?

[Opti]

I'd actually talk through the door as I do have one of those little fish eyes
to see out. I'd offer to call the cops for them but probably wouldn't let
them inside my home.


If she was indeed drunk and high she probably wasn't thinking clearly.
Unfortunately she would appear to be more of a threat than she was
to some people. I expect he'll be acquitted.

[mtman]

Nov 16, 2013 11:34:19 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 16, 2013 11:28:39 GMT -5 mtman said:

I live in the relatively safe northwest.....But anyone banging on my door at 2:00am is going to be staring at the business end of my .44 desert eagle.

why?  seriously- the first thing i would assume is that the person at the door was in distress.  answering with a gun would not help that person. 

what would YOU assume?

If the person is truly in distress, I would help them if possible (still gonna have the red dot on your forehead).....but if you're a little sketchy acting......Just remember, a .44 leaves one hell of a big hole.

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Nov 16, 2013 11:34:19 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 16, 2013 11:28:39 GMT -5 mtman said:

I live in the relatively safe northwest.....But anyone banging on my door at 2:00am is going to be staring at the business end of my .44 desert eagle.

why?  seriously- the first thing i would assume is that the person at the door was in distress.  answering with a gun would not help that person. 

what would YOU assume?

Because many home invasions start with a knock at that door, that's why.

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Nov 16, 2013 11:32:20 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 16, 2013 11:22:09 GMT -5 mtman said:

The reason this is big news is that the home owner is white and the victim (?) is black.....People are killed in Detroit every day.

really?  i would assume that it is news because the victim is dead and the home owner is alive.

Silly me- I assumed it was it was because it was another 'self defense' situation where an unarmed person was killed by an armed one.  Didn't know the homeowner was white until yesterday.  Notice the '?' mtman put after victim- pretty much says it all.  Sure buddy- a 19yo female in my yard scares the crap out of me- better lock and load.....forget calling the cops....

[mtman]

Nov 16, 2013 11:48:33 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'd actually talk through the door as I do have one of those little fish eyes
to see out. I'd offer to call the cops for them but probably wouldn't let
them inside my home.


If she was indeed drunk and high she probably wasn't thinking clearly.
Unfortunately she would appear to be more of a threat than she was
to some people. I expect he'll be acquitted.

As he should be.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 16, 2013 17:15:55 GMT -5 mtman said:

Nov 16, 2013 11:48:33 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'd actually talk through the door as I do have one of those little fish eyes
to see out. I'd offer to call the cops for them but probably wouldn't let
them inside my home.


If she was indeed drunk and high she probably wasn't thinking clearly.
Unfortunately she would appear to be more of a threat than she was
to some people. I expect he'll be acquitted.

As he should be.

Did the woman break through the door(s) and ìnto the man's home?

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Nov 16, 2013 17:15:55 GMT -5 mtman said:

Nov 16, 2013 11:48:33 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'd actually talk through the door as I do have one of those little fish eyes
to see out. I'd offer to call the cops for them but probably wouldn't let
them inside my home.


If she was indeed drunk and high she probably wasn't thinking clearly.
Unfortunately she would appear to be more of a threat than she was
to some people. I expect he'll be acquitted.

As he should be.

Pretty much a slam dunk case unless race enters it.  Are suggesting it should be legal to murder anyone that knocks on your door?

[zibazinski]

At 2:30 in the morning? Maybe, it depends on the circumstances. But I do see the homeowner getting off in this case. Not sure I agree with it, though.