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Post by Opti on Jun 25, 2015 15:15:31 GMT -5
What is really laughable, from the old Paul post above, is that he actually believes the demos "screwed up the entire housing market". I guess he means the Greenspan/BushCo. crash that happened when the conservatives were completely in charge of everything. Coupled with the "death spiral" that many Americans have suffered from due to the 23 repo governors not signing up for expanded Medicaid under the ACA, causing thousands of deaths in the poor and minority populace, they can no longer claim to be: THE PARTY OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY OR THE PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES. RIP mf'ers. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wilted.png) I keep wondering what is the law Rand & Rubio want to replace it with? Tell us the plan, and if its good, really really good, it has a chance of replacing RomneyCare Obama Care expanded Medicaid.
Glad I am in NJ. Although, my crown was canceled this morning, due to power problems at the dentist. Not sure when they will have that fixed. No call yet.
I bet if it had been a tooth tiara, the power would have stayed on.......... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png)
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 25, 2015 16:12:58 GMT -5
What is really laughable, from the old Paul post above, is that he actually believes the demos "screwed up the entire housing market". I guess he means the Greenspan/BushCo. crash that happened when the conservatives were completely in charge of everything. Coupled with the "death spiral" that many Americans have suffered from due to the 23 repo governors not signing up for expanded Medicaid under the ACA, causing thousands of deaths in the poor and minority populace, they can no longer claim to be: THE PARTY OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY OR THE PARTY OF FAMILY VALUES. RIP mf'ers. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/wilted.png) I keep wondering what is the law Rand & Rubio want to replace it with? Tell us the plan, and if its good, really really good, it has a chance of replacing RomneyCare Obama Care expanded Medicaid.
Glad I am in NJ. Although, my crown was canceled this morning, due to power problems at the dentist. Not sure when they will have that fixed. No call yet.
I bet if it had been a tooth tiara, the power would have stayed on.......... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png)
Republicans noisily outraged — and quietly relieved — over court decisionEven as Republicans rose in a chorus of outrage Thursday over the U.S. Supreme Court’s refusal to gut the unpopular Affordable Care Act, party leaders were privately breathing a sigh of relief. Had the court gone the other way, Republicans would have faced their most serious governing challenge since taking control of both houses of Congress earlier this year. Former Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie called it “a bad legal outcome, but a good political outcome” for Republicans. But he added that it will increase pressure on his party to come up with a specific alternative to the law ahead of the 2016 elections. Pollster David Winston, who advises the GOP congressional leadership, said, “Ultimately, the challenge for Republicans is not just how to deal with this law, but where’s the direction? Where are the alternatives?” Republicans noisily outraged — and quietly relieved — over court decisionNo where. Absolutely no where.
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Post by dondub on Jun 25, 2015 16:21:01 GMT -5
Under BushCo., with total control of everything, they did nothing, nothing. (With apologies to Sgt. Schultz)
Even now, with Congressional control since 2012, and now with the Senate, the political action and philosophy is still the same....nothing!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 18:59:46 GMT -5
Great news for Obamacare... bad news for the country, it's people, and our future. I wonder how many people cheering this verdict realize that.
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Post by marvholly on Jun 26, 2015 5:57:42 GMT -5
is Paul out somewhere with NO internet connection. I really wanted to read his reaction to the decision.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 26, 2015 6:06:52 GMT -5
My reaction is that obama must have dirt on some "justices" as well as our elected officials who do absolutely nothing.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 26, 2015 6:52:59 GMT -5
I liked the term SCROTUSCARE. Obama is probably upset he could lose the title for the healthcare in the history books.
Maybe SCROTUMCARE is more appropiate.
It looks like the Supreme Court is a heck of a lot more liberal than everyone thought they were. Looks like the SC has decided they are the new Legislature in our government structure, which is scary imo. Myself, I have come around to national healthcare, it's the right thing to do, just do not know how it does not bankrupt the country. Plus all the little surprises of good people losing their insurance by companies dumping their program, and poor people finally realizing they have to pay their deductibles, surprising the hell out of them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 26, 2015 14:40:52 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 26, 2015 14:43:08 GMT -5
I liked the term SCROTUSCARE. Obama is probably upset he could lose the title for the healthcare in the history books. if he is smart, he will realize that naming legislation after a person is a good way to ensure it's defeat.Maybe SCROTUMCARE is more appropiate. It looks like the Supreme Court is a heck of a lot more liberal than everyone thought they were. Looks like the SC has decided they are the new Legislature in our government structure, which is scary imo. Myself, I have come around to national healthcare, it's the right thing to do, just do not know how it does not bankrupt the country. Plus all the little surprises of good people losing their insurance by companies dumping their program, and poor people finally realizing they have to pay their deductibles, surprising the hell out of them. nah. the SCOTUS simply doesn't like to interfere with congressional mandates. this is the most conservative SCOTUS in a century.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 26, 2015 15:32:56 GMT -5
How often does Barrack Obama tell the truth? How often is he right? He says it's here to stay, and I'd say that's a pretty big indication of where this law is headed. Nothing changed with the SCOTUS decision yesterday except that the urgency of reforming / repealing major portions of the law has increased. This decision accelerates the fiscal disaster that is ObamaCare. The law is not working, it's a job killer, it's a budget buster. It's most certainly not "here to stay".
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 26, 2015 15:41:50 GMT -5
How often does Barrack Obama tell the truth? How often is he right? He says it's here to stay, and I'd say that's a pretty big indication of where this law is headed. Nothing changed with the SCOTUS decision yesterday except that the urgency of reforming / repealing major portions of the law has increased. This decision accelerates the fiscal disaster that is ObamaCare. The law is not working, it's a job killer, it's a budget buster. It's most certainly not "here to stay". It will morph into universal healthcare. You know...commie-style. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) You'll finally join the rest of the civilized world.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 26, 2015 16:23:52 GMT -5
How often does Barrack Obama tell the truth? How often is he right? He says it's here to stay, and I'd say that's a pretty big indication of where this law is headed. Nothing changed with the SCOTUS decision yesterday except that the urgency of reforming / repealing major portions of the law has increased. This decision accelerates the fiscal disaster that is ObamaCare. The law is not working, it's a job killer, it's a budget buster. It's most certainly not "here to stay". there is zero evidence that it is a "job killer". i will grant the rest of what you said here. however, the DOD is also a "budget buster", and one that i would much prefer to address over the ACA.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 26, 2015 16:24:59 GMT -5
How often does Barrack Obama tell the truth? How often is he right? He says it's here to stay, and I'd say that's a pretty big indication of where this law is headed. Nothing changed with the SCOTUS decision yesterday except that the urgency of reforming / repealing major portions of the law has increased. This decision accelerates the fiscal disaster that is ObamaCare. The law is not working, it's a job killer, it's a budget buster. It's most certainly not "here to stay". It will morph into universal healthcare. You know...commie-style. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) You'll finally join the rest of the civilized world.
i think you are probably right. the way to address the horribly flawed law is NOT to go back to the naughties, where every dollar of pay increase that happened during that decade went to fund healthcare.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 26, 2015 18:22:58 GMT -5
I liked the term SCROTUSCARE. Obama is probably upset he could lose the title for the healthcare in the history books. if he is smart, he will realize that naming legislation after a person is a good way to ensure it's defeat.Maybe SCROTUMCARE is more appropiate. It looks like the Supreme Court is a heck of a lot more liberal than everyone thought they were. Looks like the SC has decided they are the new Legislature in our government structure, which is scary imo. Myself, I have come around to national healthcare, it's the right thing to do, just do not know how it does not bankrupt the country. Plus all the little surprises of good people losing their insurance by companies dumping their program, and poor people finally realizing they have to pay their deductibles, surprising the hell out of them. nah. the SCOTUS simply doesn't like to interfere with congressional mandates. this is the most conservative SCOTUS in a century. Conservative SCOTUS?? This court is about far left as Obama could have ever hoped for. Two decisions this week guarenteed their status as being a far left wing organization up ending the Constitution, where the court now makes law, rather than the Legislative branch.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 26, 2015 18:48:19 GMT -5
nah. the SCOTUS simply doesn't like to interfere with congressional mandates. this is the most conservative SCOTUS in a century. Conservative SCOTUS?? yes. that was not a typo. according to this website, there are precisely ZERO liberals on the bench at this time, for the first time in over 80 years:
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This court is about far left as Obama could have ever hoped for. i have no idea what Obama might hope. he is a wonky moderate, in my book. but gutting the VRA and Citizen's United are certainly the two most conservative decisions IN MY LIFETIME, VB.Two decisions this week guarenteed their status as being a far left wing organization up ending the Constitution, where the court now makes law, rather than the Legislative branch. bullshit. the SCOTUS makes no law, and didn't this week. the SCOTUS interprets law.
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Post by dondub on Jun 26, 2015 18:50:00 GMT -5
Not really left wing at all. Sorry.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 26, 2015 18:57:29 GMT -5
Not really left wing at all. Sorry. Scalia and Thomas are two of the three MOST conservative justices in the last century. edit: the fact that conservatives think this court is liberal only serves to illustrate the utter lack of perspective of conservatives. if this is not THE MOST conservative SCOTUS in history, i would be interested in discovering when it has been MORE conservative. maybe the 20's?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 26, 2015 19:37:19 GMT -5
Actually, since I've had my exchange high deductable health plan, I have paid NOTHING up front. All bills go through insurance first because most of the time, even if my deductable applies, there are adjustments in what I can be charged. Maybe be you should actually try using it before you bitch about it? And nd if you aren't worse off, why the complaining? I't not complaining just for the sake of complaining... I'm complaining because of the complete and utter waste of taxpayer funds... money that could be used elsewhere (like paying down the debt, for example). As to "try using it before you bitch about it"... I've looked into trying it. Can't afford to use it. (what... did you think I got it and just threw everything away without reading/researching it?) oh screw the debt already...those before me gave me their de ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) ;Dbt so I figure same with me toward the ones coming after....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:13:24 GMT -5
I't not complaining just for the sake of complaining... I'm complaining because of the complete and utter waste of taxpayer funds... money that could be used elsewhere (like paying down the debt, for example). As to "try using it before you bitch about it"... I've looked into trying it. Can't afford to use it. (what... did you think I got it and just threw everything away without reading/researching it?) oh screw the debt already...those before me gave me their de ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) ;Dbt so I figure same with me toward the ones coming after.... In fairness... I did say "for example"... They could use the funds elsewhere and I'd be just as happy. Fix Social Security (granted that shouldn't take any "extra" money... but paying back the government's "I.O.U.'s" wouldn't hurt). Buy body armor for ALL troops going into combat zones. Put the money towards infrastructure. I don't care... just use it somewhere that it will make a difference. Don't waste it on Obamacare.
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Post by resolution on Jun 26, 2015 20:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 26, 2015 20:41:22 GMT -5
oh screw the debt already...those before me gave me their de ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) ;Dbt so I figure same with me toward the ones coming after.... In fairness... I did say "for example"... They could use the funds elsewhere and I'd be just as happy. Fix Social Security (granted that shouldn't take any "extra" money... but paying back the government's "I.O.U.'s" wouldn't hurt). Buy body armor for ALL troops going into combat zones. Put the money towards infrastructure. I don't care... just use it somewhere that it will make a difference. Don't waste it on Obamacare. if we cut defense by half we would still have the largest military in the world in terms of expenditures.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:49:20 GMT -5
In fairness... I did say "for example"... They could use the funds elsewhere and I'd be just as happy. Fix Social Security (granted that shouldn't take any "extra" money... but paying back the government's "I.O.U.'s" wouldn't hurt). Buy body armor for ALL troops going into combat zones. Put the money towards infrastructure. I don't care... just use it somewhere that it will make a difference. Don't waste it on Obamacare. if we cut defense by half we would still have the largest military in the world in terms of expenditures. Irrelevant to my point of "the money could be better spent"... but it's also true. We do have a HUGE military in terms of expenditures (and equipment, and personnel, and support, and basing {both home AND abroad}...)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 26, 2015 20:53:53 GMT -5
if we cut defense by half we would still have the largest military in the world in terms of expenditures. Irrelevant to my point of "the money could be better spent"... but it's also true. We do have a HUGE military in terms of expenditures (and equipment, and personnel, and support, and basing {both home AND abroad}...) putting it in a big pile and burning it would be better than spending it on "defense", imo. i know you share that view on the ACA. so, we are simply arguing about what fuel to use to light the bonfire. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 26, 2015 22:47:56 GMT -5
oh screw the debt already...those before me gave me their de ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) ;Dbt so I figure same with me toward the ones coming after.... In fairness... I did say "for example"... They could use the funds elsewhere and I'd be just as happy. Fix Social Security (granted that shouldn't take any "extra" money... but paying back the government's "I.O.U.'s" wouldn't hurt). Buy body armor for ALL troops going into combat zones. Put the money towards infrastructure. I don't care... just use it somewhere that it will make a difference. Don't waste it on Obamacare. I am sure that those who became ill and needed Doctors, Hospitals, operations or had pre existing medical conditions for them selves or children that would allow Insurance company to not offer medical coverage and wearn't covered before the affordable care act but are covered now would agree that Obamacare is anything but a waste..These are fellow Americans..many who have served our country...working people who just were not covered or couldn't get insurance..many lean right and were not / are not supporters of the man ....but now , probably many still don't like the man but are so glad for this program...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 22:52:59 GMT -5
In fairness... I did say "for example"... They could use the funds elsewhere and I'd be just as happy. Fix Social Security (granted that shouldn't take any "extra" money... but paying back the government's "I.O.U.'s" wouldn't hurt). Buy body armor for ALL troops going into combat zones. Put the money towards infrastructure. I don't care... just use it somewhere that it will make a difference. Don't waste it on Obamacare. I am sure that those who became ill and needed Doctors, Hospitals, operations or had pre existing medical conditions for them selves or children that would allow Insurance company to not offer medical coverage and wearn't covered before the affordable care act but are covered now would agree that Obamacare is anything but a waste..These are fellow Americans..many who have served our country...working people who just were not covered or couldn't get insurance..many lean right and were not / are not supporters of the man ....but now , probably many still don't like the man but are so glad for this program... The problem is there's "covered" and there's "has an insurance card that's practically worthless... but I got it because of Obamacare". That's what many don't understand. And I never said that there weren't SOME that were helped by it... There definitely were. Problem is MORE were hurt by it than were helped. AND it's going to cost the government TRILLIONS of dollars that the government just does not have.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 27, 2015 11:05:46 GMT -5
How often does Barrack Obama tell the truth? How often is he right? He says it's here to stay, and I'd say that's a pretty big indication of where this law is headed. Nothing changed with the SCOTUS decision yesterday except that the urgency of reforming / repealing major portions of the law has increased. This decision accelerates the fiscal disaster that is ObamaCare. The law is not working, it's a job killer, it's a budget buster. It's most certainly not "here to stay". there is zero evidence that it is a "job killer". i will grant the rest of what you said here. however, the DOD is also a "budget buster", and one that i would much prefer to address over the ACA. Agreed- the entire federal budget is a disaster. We should shift to a zero baseline, and every federal agency should be set to sunset in 7 years-- that is, go away unless individually (not as part of a 900,000 page bill) renewed. No agency should have the authority to promulgate regulations- that is an unelected bureaucracy shouldn't make law- but should be able to propose regulations via a member or members of congress who may sponsor legislation and which must then be voted on by congress.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 27, 2015 11:10:32 GMT -5
How often does Barrack Obama tell the truth? How often is he right? He says it's here to stay, and I'd say that's a pretty big indication of where this law is headed. Nothing changed with the SCOTUS decision yesterday except that the urgency of reforming / repealing major portions of the law has increased. This decision accelerates the fiscal disaster that is ObamaCare. The law is not working, it's a job killer, it's a budget buster. It's most certainly not "here to stay". It will morph into universal healthcare. You know...commie-style. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) You'll finally join the rest of the civilized world.
That is the stated objective of Obama and the architects of this monstrosity. We'll see what SCOTUS proposes and declares law.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 27, 2015 19:57:34 GMT -5
A pathological refusal to see any shred of good in Obamacare link
As has often been said, "You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts." (And no, I don't ever recall an, "...Unless you are a Republican" addendum.... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sarcasm.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 20:07:18 GMT -5
Some of us do "see the Good" in Obamacare... we just are not blinded by it, so we also see the bad... which is much larger, outweighs it, and makes it not worth the loss.
Let's put it in a formula that statisticians can understand. We'll call "the good" the "+" side... and well call "the bad" the "-" side...
If you start out as ZERO... and you add +2 and then subtract -3, you end up at less than where you started (-1). Was the "+2" worth having if you ended up at "-1" to get it? No. It wasn't.
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