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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 7, 2015 17:11:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 22:47:16 GMT -5
Opponents of ObamaCare were correct... You post this like it's news. Opponents of Obamacare have known they were correct (about how wrong Obama was, about pretty much everything in it... and about what a bad idea it was) since the bill was first introduced.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 8, 2015 6:51:21 GMT -5
Before obamacare was forced on us, insurance companies were already jacking up their rates and telling insureds it was because obamacare was going to mess things up and they didn't know how bad. We haven't seen anything yet. Now insurance will get "taxed" to make up for the costs as well. That's been a threat and will become a reality.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 8, 2015 9:00:40 GMT -5
Before obamacare was forced on us, insurance companies were already jacking up their rates and telling insureds it was because obamacare was going to mess things up and they didn't know how bad. We haven't seen anything yet. Now insurance will get "taxed" to make up for the costs as well. That's been a threat and will become a reality. i never believed the insurance companies before. why should i believe them, now?
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 8, 2015 20:40:03 GMT -5
I remember before Obamacare when my insurance rates went down every year. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 21:00:56 GMT -5
I remember, before Obamacare, when I wasn't extorted into fleecing the taxpayers to the tune of (about) $2,500 every year...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 8, 2015 21:45:28 GMT -5
I remember, before Obamacare, when I wasn't extorted into fleecing the taxpayers to the tune of (about) $2,500 every year... based on your own description of your income situation, you are talking 3rd person, here. right?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 21:51:51 GMT -5
Nope. First person. (unfortunately)
I am BY LAW (Obamacare's illegal "personal mandate" enforced by threat of fine) required to have insurance... said insurance paid for (100%) by subsidy, to the tune of just under $2,500... and it's completely and utterly worthless (hence the use of the term "fleecing").
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 8, 2015 22:08:11 GMT -5
Nope. First person. (unfortunately) I am BY LAW (Obamacare's illegal "personal mandate" enforced by threat of fine) required to have insurance... said insurance paid for (100%) by subsidy, to the tune of just under $2,500... and it's completely and utterly worthless (hence the use of the term "fleecing"). so, you have PERSONALLY paid $2,500 for the ACA? sorry, i know i am missing something here, Richard. i am going to go make some coffee right now, and see if it helps. PS- let's leave the "fleecing" part of it out for now. i have been fleeced for tens of thousands every year for decades so that the last six presidents could spend them slapping around individuals in foreign countries that were no threat to me whatsoever. you don't get to choose WHAT your taxes are used for, so you are ALWAYS getting "fleeced" for something useless or utterly immoral- and that is tough luck. some day, i will move from here, and then my taxes will no longer be used for that purpose, and i invite you to do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 22:48:02 GMT -5
Nope. First person. (unfortunately) I am BY LAW (Obamacare's illegal "personal mandate" enforced by threat of fine) required to have insurance... said insurance paid for (100%) by subsidy, to the tune of just under $2,500... and it's completely and utterly worthless (hence the use of the term "fleecing"). so, you have PERSONALLY paid $2,500 for the ACA?sorry, i know i am missing something here, Richard. i am going to go make some coffee right now, and see if it helps. PS- let's leave the "fleecing" part of it out for now. i have been fleeced for tens of thousands every year for decades so that the last six presidents could spend them slapping around individuals in foreign countries that were no threat to me whatsoever. you don't get to choose WHAT your taxes are used for, so you are ALWAYS getting "fleeced" for something useless or utterly immoral- and that is tough luck. some day, i will move from here, and then my taxes will no longer be used for that purpose, and i invite you to do the same. No. I have personally caused the Government (via use of the healthcare.gov website) to pay about $2,500, out of the taxpayer's coffers, in my name. That's the "Fleecing" I am referring to. I'm not saying they fleeced me. I'm saying they forced me (under threat of illegal fine, if I didn't) to fleece the taxpayers.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 8, 2015 23:07:20 GMT -5
Maybe SCOTUS will fix that for you in the next week or so
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 8, 2015 23:57:14 GMT -5
so, you have PERSONALLY paid $2,500 for the ACA?sorry, i know i am missing something here, Richard. i am going to go make some coffee right now, and see if it helps. PS- let's leave the "fleecing" part of it out for now. i have been fleeced for tens of thousands every year for decades so that the last six presidents could spend them slapping around individuals in foreign countries that were no threat to me whatsoever. you don't get to choose WHAT your taxes are used for, so you are ALWAYS getting "fleeced" for something useless or utterly immoral- and that is tough luck. some day, i will move from here, and then my taxes will no longer be used for that purpose, and i invite you to do the same. No. I have personally caused the Government (via use of the healthcare.gov website) to pay about $2,500, out of the taxpayer's coffers, in my name. That's the "Fleecing" I am referring to. I'm not saying they fleeced me. I'm saying they forced me (under threat of illegal fine, if I didn't) to fleece the taxpayers. thanks for looking out for me, but as i said before, i have my own concerns. and since you were evidently not damaged, then perhaps you should simply worry about yourself, and leave people like me, who paid more taxes last year than most people earned in income, out of it. just a suggestion. you can, of course continue pretending to gripe on my behalf. just know that you are not representing my concerns when doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 5:34:02 GMT -5
Richard, why is your insurance completely and utterly useless?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 9, 2015 7:40:15 GMT -5
Richard, why is your insurance completely and utterly useless? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the deductible is so high, he effectively has no insurance?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 7:47:23 GMT -5
Even so, it has to pay for certain annual care.
The high deductible part is pretty much us the tax payers insuring him against catastrophic issues we would otherwise be left paying in full.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 9, 2015 11:18:17 GMT -5
Even so, it has to pay for certain annual care. The high deductible part is pretty much us the tax payers insuring him against catastrophic issues we would otherwise be left paying in full. Or not- something like cancer treatment without such a policy and he would be back to the tip jars or go fund me- else get nothing. It has value despite our crappy health care system.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 9, 2015 11:19:24 GMT -5
Richard, why is your insurance completely and utterly useless? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the deductible is so high, he effectively has no insurance? Aren't you the one always saying insurance should not cover the routine stuff ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) He has to pay for his own oil changes and maintenance remember.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 9, 2015 11:36:07 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the deductible is so high, he effectively has no insurance? Aren't you the one always saying insurance should not cover the routine stuff ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) He has to pay for his own oil changes and maintenance remember. I have no issue with that. That's not why premiums are skyrocketing, and deductibles are going through the roof. But thank you for playing.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 9, 2015 11:54:32 GMT -5
www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lower-rate-increases-more-plans-proposed-for-state-health-exchange-in-2016/ The cost of health insurance could increase 5.4 percent on average for people buying individual coverage next year — the lowest requested increase in Washington state in eight years. And there could be even greater choice for consumers with more insurance companies in the market and more plans proposed for 2016. If all of the plans are approved, 188 options will be available on the exchange next year, up from 90 this year, the Office of the Insurance Commissioner (OIC) announced Monday. Through the roof. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sarcasm.png) I guess we shall see if any rates 'skyrocket' if they are approved and where. I bet there will be some pricy individual plans sold without the exchange to catch the eff Obama protest market ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) Those will probably 'skyrocket'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 19:16:36 GMT -5
Richard, why is your insurance completely and utterly useless? Because it doesn't cover anything necessary for me, until I reach my "out of pocket" of somewhere north of $5,000. So I can't use it to go see a doctor for that cough I might get... or that strange pain in my chest I might get, or any other issues that might keep me out of the emergency room. (I can get two free pap smears though... and my pregnancy needs are pretty much covered... Yay! I wonder how many times, I, a male, will use those worthwhile services?) ETA: Oops... I forgot to mention one thing it covers... ONE pointless visit to the doctor for a "SCHEDULED annual checkup"... as long as there's no tests or anything involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 19:17:27 GMT -5
Richard, why is your insurance completely and utterly useless? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the deductible is so high, he effectively has no insurance? You picked the correct limb.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 19:19:54 GMT -5
Even so, it has to pay for certain annual care. The high deductible part is pretty much us the tax payers insuring him against catastrophic issues we would otherwise be left paying in full. Interestingly enough... it does pay for "certain annual care" I can go see a doctor for a SCHEDULED annual checkup... as long as there's no tests or diagnostic machines/images involved (lab work and other such things are NOT covered in the one time "checkup").
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 9, 2015 19:24:21 GMT -5
Even so, it has to pay for certain annual care. The high deductible part is pretty much us the tax payers insuring him against catastrophic issues we would otherwise be left paying in full. Interestingly enough... it does pay for "certain annual care" I can go see a doctor for a SCHEDULED annual checkup... as long as there's no tests or diagnostic machines/images involved (lab work and other such things are NOT covered in the one time "checkup"). sounds quite similar to a policy i pay $1,000/month for.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Jun 9, 2015 19:28:58 GMT -5
DH will find out soon if his procedure was covered or not. Sorry. I need to get the lingo correct. I am sure the procedure was covered just not PAID for by the insurance.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 9, 2015 20:15:27 GMT -5
so, you have PERSONALLY paid $2,500 for the ACA?sorry, i know i am missing something here, Richard. i am going to go make some coffee right now, and see if it helps. PS- let's leave the "fleecing" part of it out for now. i have been fleeced for tens of thousands every year for decades so that the last six presidents could spend them slapping around individuals in foreign countries that were no threat to me whatsoever. you don't get to choose WHAT your taxes are used for, so you are ALWAYS getting "fleeced" for something useless or utterly immoral- and that is tough luck. some day, i will move from here, and then my taxes will no longer be used for that purpose, and i invite you to do the same. No. I have personally caused the Government (via use of the healthcare.gov website) to pay about $2,500, out of the taxpayer's coffers, in my name. That's the "Fleecing" I am referring to. I'm not saying they fleeced me. I'm saying they forced me (under threat of illegal fine, if I didn't) to fleece the taxpayers. I'm curious. If Tennessee had gone ahead with the expanded Medicaid would you qualify? And would your complaints about "fleecing" the taxpayers disappear as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 20:49:27 GMT -5
No. I have personally caused the Government (via use of the healthcare.gov website) to pay about $2,500, out of the taxpayer's coffers, in my name. That's the "Fleecing" I am referring to. I'm not saying they fleeced me. I'm saying they forced me (under threat of illegal fine, if I didn't) to fleece the taxpayers. I'm curious. If Tennessee had gone ahead with the expanded Medicaid would you qualify? And would your complaints about "fleecing" the taxpayers disappear as well? I would have qualified for the "expanded" TennCare... yes. And of course I wouldn't complain that that was "feeecing"... because, as a TennCare client I COULD go to a doctor when I have a need for one, something I CAN'T do now. However... that said. When Obamacare implodes (as it will, eventually), the state would likely pull back the requirements to pre-Obamacare levels. ETA: to clear up any confusion... it's only "fleecing" because the funds are spent on something completely pointless and utterly useless.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 9, 2015 20:58:37 GMT -5
Also though, nothing would be paid on your behalf if you DON'T go to a doctor, would it? The different companies which handle the Medicaid plans don't get a monthly "premium" from the state as if you were a regular insured. Wouldn't the state only pay out for actual claims? That was more the point of my second question. The $2500 subsidy which is currently paid to an insurance company for your coverage would not exist in my understanding of it. Any knowledge if that is correct?
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Post by Angel! on Jun 9, 2015 21:01:03 GMT -5
Interestingly enough... it does pay for "certain annual care" I can go see a doctor for a SCHEDULED annual checkup... as long as there's no tests or diagnostic machines/images involved (lab work and other such things are NOT covered in the one time "checkup"). sounds quite similar to a policy i pay $1,000/month for. I was thinking the same thing. And I certainly wouldn't consider insurance, even high deductible insurance, pointless or useless. I think it is great that everyone can be covered for catastrophic events. I don't mind as a taxpayer that my taxes go towards that. There are a lot worse ways to spend taxes IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 21:14:17 GMT -5
Annual care for female bits include paps and Are no boy bit items covered? Have you had a physical? An eye exam?
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