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Post by mmhmm on Feb 4, 2014 16:55:57 GMT -5
If you click it again, workpublic, it will eliminate the self-adulation.
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 4, 2014 16:56:45 GMT -5
That sounded disturbingly like some advice my father gave me when I was twelve.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 5, 2014 11:19:52 GMT -5
that college age students could be insured using their parents policy, and that you can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions?
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 5, 2014 11:30:00 GMT -5
- if they still have one -
and that you can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions Except under the same terms you could be since guaranteed renewability was implemented in 1997, and still can be after PPACA.
twitchy.com/2013/11/21/ofa-perpetuates-myth-that-obamacare-prohibits-rescission-of-health-insurance/
Legally, an insurer can rescind a contract based on materially false statements by the other party. That's what insurers were doing in the statistically rare cases where people lost coverage for prior health conditions that they hadn't declared to the insurer at the underwriting stage.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 5, 2014 12:02:39 GMT -5
- if they still have one - and that would be in something north of 90% of all cases, right?
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 5, 2014 12:03:56 GMT -5
Would it?
Let's wait for the law to be implemented - of course, the claim that the law would go into effect on the timetable laid out by statute is perhaps the biggest hokum of all...
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 5, 2014 12:08:58 GMT -5
Would it?
would it not?
Let's wait for the law to be implemented - of course, the claim that the law would go into effect on the timetable laid out by statute is perhaps the biggest hokum of all...
if so, then any claims that are made against the law are also hokum. and i am getting a little tired of "heads i win, tails you lose"- so, good day.
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 5, 2014 12:54:58 GMT -5
Honestly, if the tails side is represented by the ground-level bar of the law enacting the measures in the law, with no ventured prognosis of their impacts on the environment in which they're enacted, I don't see how the tails side expects anything else.
Also, your last rejoinder was a non sequitur - not least because the claim that the law hasn't, in fact, been enacted in accordance with the specifics of the legislative language, is both a "claim... made against the law" and a demonstrable fact.
If the best that could be said for PPACA was that it did what it said on the tin, with no further examination of whether what it said it would do would accomplish what it claimed it would accomplish (reduction in deficits and patient costs, improvements in coverage, etc., etc.), that would still make it an appalling white elephant. That even this cannot in fact be said - that various components of the law have been deemed severally unconstitutional, unworkable, or unpalatable politically, and so have been scrapped, scrapped moreover in most cases by extralegal executive fiat - is a quite astonishing failure of the legislative process, owned entirely by the Democratic Party.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 5, 2014 23:39:14 GMT -5
Sounds good- they should look into it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 6, 2014 16:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 6, 2014 16:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 6, 2014 16:58:32 GMT -5
Would it?
would it not?
Let's wait for the law to be implemented - of course, the claim that the law would go into effect on the timetable laid out by statute is perhaps the biggest hokum of all...
if so, then any claims that are made against the law are also hokum. and i am getting a little tired of "heads i win, tails you lose"- so, good day. Failure to implement the law due to the impracticability of implementation IS FAILURE. We don't have to wait. It has failed.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 6, 2014 17:04:39 GMT -5
No. She did not say it.
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Post by cereb on Feb 6, 2014 20:20:32 GMT -5
Someone got suckered again I see?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 6, 2014 21:32:38 GMT -5
Someone got suckered again I see? The best satire *could be true*. That's what makes it gold. Nancy Pelosi has said that unemployment checks create jobs. And the regime and the Democratic Party are claiming 2.5 million fewer full time jobs Is a good thing. I've only been had because it was perfectly plausible.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 6, 2014 21:38:27 GMT -5
Someone got suckered again I see? The best satire *could be true*. That's what makes it gold. Nancy Pelosi has said that unemployment checks create jobs. And the regime and the Democratic Party are claiming 2.5 million fewer full time jobs Is a good thing. I've only been had because it was perfectly plausible. But yet again, you did not verify it to be true. You saw something which fit your agenda and ran with it.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 6, 2014 21:43:20 GMT -5
Someone got suckered again I see? The best satire *could be true*. That's what makes it gold. Nancy Pelosi has said that unemployment checks create jobs. And the regime and the Democratic Party are claiming 2.5 million fewer full time jobs Is a good thing. I've only been had because it was perfectly plausible. Not to me it wasn't.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 6, 2014 21:47:09 GMT -5
The best satire *could be true*. That's what makes it gold. Nancy Pelosi has said that unemployment checks create jobs. And the regime and the Democratic Party are claiming 2.5 million fewer full time jobs Is a good thing. I've only been had because it was perfectly plausible. Not to me it wasn't. It was not plausible to me either. That ìs why I checked it. No one like waiting. No one.
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 6, 2014 21:49:59 GMT -5
She did say "embrace the suck," which summarizes her Obamacare cheerleading rather well.
All the same, the internal coherence of a quote purportedly for the same woman who advocates natural gas as an alternative to fossil fuels should have been a red flag.
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 7, 2014 2:04:10 GMT -5
Death panels arrrrrrgh!
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 7, 2014 2:08:20 GMT -5
Someone got suckered again I see? The best satire *could be true*. That's what makes it gold. Nancy Pelosi has said that unemployment checks create jobs. And the regime and the Democratic Party are claiming 2.5 million fewer full time jobs Is a good thing. I've only been had because it was perfectly plausible. See other topic
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 7, 2014 7:46:00 GMT -5
It was not plausible to me either. That ìs why I checked it. No one like waiting. No one. Whatever. “Every week we don’t pass a Stimulus package, 500 million Americans lose their jobs.” Yeah, she actually said that.
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 7, 2014 7:51:18 GMT -5
It's a national pastime in England...
... Although I must admit nobody really likes it there, either.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 7, 2014 9:47:24 GMT -5
www.lohud.com/article/20140206/NEWS02/302060049/Westchester-Medical-Center-reaches-deal-1-health-exchange-planWestchester Medical Center reaches deal with 1 health exchange plan The Valhalla hospital will now accept an exchange plan offered by Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield, which is available to residents of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties. It is also offered in Dutchess County, where the medical center hopes to acquire the bankrupt St. Francis Hospital. Westchester Medical Center CEO Michael Israel maintained that the hospital wanted to participate in federal health reform but was unable to accept the reimbursement rates offered by the plans. Mark Tulis, chairman of Westchester Medical Center’s Board of Directors, said Thursday that the hospital had long been negotiating with the insurer.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 7, 2014 11:04:31 GMT -5
Someone got suckered again I see? The best satire *could be true*. That's what makes it gold. Nancy Pelosi has said that unemployment checks create jobs. And the regime and the Democratic Party are claiming 2.5 million fewer full time jobs Is a good thing. where have they claimed that?
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 7, 2014 11:16:56 GMT -5
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/02/05/democrats-new-argument-on-obamacare-jobs-decline-it-reduces-job-lock/
That's Nancy Pelosi's take - what we used to call "unemployment" is now "escaping 'job-lock'."
www.enewspf.com/latest-news/latest-national/latest-national-news/49903-white-house-press-briefing-by-jay-carney-feb-4-2014.html
And this is the spin from the Obama administration mouthpiece, Baghdad Jay Carney.
On the first point, people use emergency rooms more when they have health insurance than when they don't. That doesn't add to productivity.
On the second point, the reduction in growth of healthcare spending inflation, while welcome, isn't due to Obamacare - the 'patent cliff' is a big contributor. Although overall healthcare inflation declined in 2012, hospital and physician office inflation increased year-on-year. And of course the big reason for the slowdown is the lingering effects of the recession that ended nearly five years ago, which is an odd thing for the Obama administration to seek credit for but any port in a storm I guess. By the by - CBO projections of healthcare spending increases make alarming reading for anybody who hadn't factored in the frontloading of benefits and backloading of costs under PPACA.
On the third point, he's mistaking a reduced barrier for employment mobility (which would have been most easily reduced by decoupling employment from insurance, a commonsense move advocated by various Republicans down the years who do indeed share the nascent Democratic horror of "job-lock") with an increased incentive. You can take a drowned cat out of the water, but it still drowned.
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Post by Lizard King on Feb 7, 2014 11:22:30 GMT -5
The full transcript of that press briefing makes cringeworthy reading, it really does. Talk about not selling product in Peoria.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 7, 2014 11:57:46 GMT -5
www.lohud.com/article/20140206/news02/302060063/region-s-tax-bill-medicaid-whopping-292-millionDon't forget about Medicaid Odell also points out that taxpayers not only contribute to the Medicaid program via their local county property tax bills, but they also pay through their state and federal taxes. from the comments section Today CNBC showed a 1.6 million dollar mansion in California for sale. It had the same taxes as our 300k "cottage". that "cottage" is in Rockland county.
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