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Post by The Captain on Oct 16, 2013 10:49:50 GMT -5
IDGAF"
"The bullying began when the 14-year-old started dating a boy that Sedwick had been seeing, according to the sheriff. The older girl threatened to fight Sedwick when they were sixth-graders at Crystal Lake Middle School last year and also convinced the 12-year-old to start bullying Sedwick, according to Judd. The younger girl then beat up Sedwick at school, Judd said. "
"My daughter's a good girl and I'm 100 percent sure that whatever they're saying about my daughter is not true," he told the AP."
www.today.com/news/fed-sheriff-alleged-teen-bully-did-something-despicable-8C11401636
Sedwick killed herself after the relentless bullying and these two peices of shit don't give a damn. To top it off at least one parent is either in denial or doing everything he can to "protect her from her own stupidity". Sometimes I really hate humanity...
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Post by haapai on Oct 16, 2013 11:01:45 GMT -5
I see a glimmer of light in the whole sad sordid story.
The sheriff is doing a pretty good job of publicizing the behavior of these minor sociopaths.
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Post by Abby Normal on Oct 16, 2013 11:03:59 GMT -5
I read this earlier. How sad.
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Post by haapai on Oct 16, 2013 11:07:41 GMT -5
The phrase "I know" chills me. I got in a fight with a 40-something mean girl yesterday and she kept on repeating that phrase.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2013 11:12:35 GMT -5
What is he going to charge them with exactly? Saying mean things?
The article clearly states that the hectoring leading up to the suicide occurred via text messages and social media. When last I checked, bullying over the Internet isn't a crime. Nor should it be.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 16, 2013 11:12:51 GMT -5
Parents can be really blind when it comes to their kids. I hope when DS is that age I'll be aware and willing to do something if he is bullying others. DH is an I/T major. Our network/social accounts are locked and monitored as tight as he can. He also knows how to recover deleted browsing history etc but so far that has not been a problem. We are very transparent with DD about what can (not necessarily will) be done to monitor her. DD will soon be 11 and understands she only get access if we have access to her accounts. It may be an issue when she gets older but so far we have not observed any behaviour that bothers us.
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Post by justme on Oct 16, 2013 11:16:27 GMT -5
What is he going to charge them with exactly? Saying mean things? The article clearly states that the hectoring leading up to the suicide occurred via text messages and social media. When last I checked, bullying over the Internet isn't a crime. Nor should it be. Aggravated stalking. Plus I'm guessing assault might be thrown in for one since she allegedly beat the girl up.
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 16, 2013 11:18:19 GMT -5
Parents can be really blind when it comes to their kids. I hope when DS is that age I'll be aware and willing to do something if he is bullying others. Many parents are completely out of touch when it comes to their kids and what their kids are doing. Last year in the span of 2 weeks I ran in to the moms of 3 or 4 other freshman. I asked them how their kids were liking school and they all just said "fine I guess" but when questioned they had no clue what classes the kids were in, which teachers they had, etc. I was shocked. We always talk with the Boy and he told us what classes he was registering for, asked our opinions on his electives, talked about which teachers he liked and didn't like, etc. I couldn't believe that these parents I was running into hadn't bothered to find out any of that information out of their own kids. Besides- Teenage girls can be relentless.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2013 11:19:10 GMT -5
All major browsers come with private browsing modes that don't cache data or generate history. The only way to find out what's browsed is with monitoring software on the client machine or with something called a "packet sniffer" on any of the routing nodes between client and host.
Either way, you should probably ask your husband about it.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 16, 2013 11:20:17 GMT -5
What is he going to charge them with exactly? Saying mean things? The article clearly states that the hectoring leading up to the suicide occurred via text messages and social media. When last I checked, bullying over the Internet isn't a crime. Nor should it be. Bullying is a crime in many states, the form it takes is irrelevant: www.stopbullying.gov/lawsand I disagree with you 100% - unfortunatly it should be (and is) a crime because there are too many people out there who "DGAF" about anyone but themselves.
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 16, 2013 11:20:18 GMT -5
What is he going to charge them with exactly? Saying mean things? The article clearly states that the hectoring leading up to the suicide occurred via text messages and social media. When last I checked, bullying over the Internet isn't a crime. Nor should it be. They took cyber stalking and bullying seriously enough a few years ago to give me a 3 year restraining order against a woman that was harassing me primarily via emails and text messages.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2013 11:24:18 GMT -5
What is he going to charge them with exactly? Saying mean things? The article clearly states that the hectoring leading up to the suicide occurred via text messages and social media. When last I checked, bullying over the Internet isn't a crime. Nor should it be. Aggravated stalking. Plus I'm guessing assault might be thrown in for one since she allegedly beat the girl up. "Aggravated stalking." I had to look it up. I guess "sticks n' stones" is good and dead circa 2013.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2013 11:26:37 GMT -5
What is he going to charge them with exactly? Saying mean things? The article clearly states that the hectoring leading up to the suicide occurred via text messages and social media. When last I checked, bullying over the Internet isn't a crime. Nor should it be. They took cyber stalking and bullying seriously enough a few years ago to give me a 3 year restraining order against a woman that was harassing me primarily via emails and text messages. You couldn't find the "delete" button or something? Or were these death threats you believed were credible?
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Oct 16, 2013 11:33:02 GMT -5
Aggravated stalking. Plus I'm guessing assault might be thrown in for one since she allegedly beat the girl up. "Aggravated stalking." I had to look it up. I guess "sticks n' stones" is good and dead circa 2013. So the behaviour of the two arrested girls is acceptable to you? Is that what you are saying?
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Post by midjd on Oct 16, 2013 11:37:04 GMT -5
I find that to be a frightening attitude coming from an administrator of an online forum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 11:41:58 GMT -5
I truly believe some people here are completely void of human emotions.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2013 11:43:14 GMT -5
"Aggravated stalking." I had to look it up. I guess "sticks n' stones" is good and dead circa 2013. So the behaviour of the two arrested girls is acceptable to you? Is that what you are saying? I don't consider it acceptable, but they aren't responsible for Ms. Sedwick's suicide. If there are laws against bullying online, they should be prosecuted according to those laws.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 16, 2013 11:45:48 GMT -5
The tragic thing is that the words of people who don't give a flying rip about her had more power over her life than the people around her that truly loved and cared for her. And, that is tragic.
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 16, 2013 11:52:05 GMT -5
Virgil- my email address was on the company's website because I was the salesperson and designer. Clients needed to be able to send me requests. She would send me 100s of emails a day. Some were threatening, some were sick, some were pleading, etc. I ignored them as well as I could but being hit with hundreds of emails a day was exhausting. When she started sending packages and letters to my house for my son that's when I went to the court and requested a restraining order.
They asked for proof and I pulled out the 6 inch stack of emails that I had printed out after she sent them. Judge thumbed through them, read and few and ruled in my favor. She was there but had no defense for herself. We left the courtroom and the bailiff kept her behind for 15 minutes and we never saw her again. She did start emailing me again and I forwarded it to the cops (like I was told to do) and that was the end of it.
I honestly think that if she hadn't died (of natural causes, in another state) a few months later that she would have continued to violate to RO and kept harassing me.
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Post by sheilaincali on Oct 16, 2013 11:59:14 GMT -5
Virgil- you are a man right? And would I be right in assuming you have no daughters?
You seem to have the same attitude that some of the other guys I run into have. My husband had friends over the other day and the talk turned to bullying and that. The one guy that felt that being bullied in high school should teach kids to "toughen" up was by far in the minority.
The other three in the room (DH- dad of a 15 yr boy), Friend A (dad of a little girl) and Friend B (principal of the local Catholic HS) all had the opposite opinion. They felt that bullying is a significant problem but the one guy without kids thinks that kids need to just suck it up.
My cousin was in the same situation as this young lady that died. She was bullied so bad she turned to anorexia because they told her that the boy dumped her because she was so fat at 5'8" and 115 lbs. She spent the better part of 18 months in and out of hospitals and institutions- got down as low as 87 lbs. Those same girls than mad fun of her and bullied her for being ugly and looking like a skeleton. This was pre- social media. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been had they been able to facebook harass her afterschool and on the weekends.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2013 12:09:26 GMT -5
Virgil- my email address was on the company's website because I was the salesperson and designer. Clients needed to be able to send me requests. She would send me 100s of emails a day. Some where threatening, some were sick, some were pleading, etc. I ignored them as well as I could but being hit with hundreds of emails a day was exhausting. When she started sending packages and letters to my house for my son that's when I went to the court and requested a restraining order. They asked for proof and I pulled out the 6 inch stack of emails that I had printed out after she sent them. Judge thumbed through them, read and few and ruled in my favor. She was there but had no defense for herself. We left the courtroom and the bailiff kept her behind for 15 minutes and we never saw her again. She did start emailing me again and I forwarded it to the cops (like I was told to do) and that was the end of it. I honestly think that if she hadn't died (of natural causes, in another state) a few months later that she would have continued to violate to RO and kept harassing me. If it's e-mail, it's a simple matter to block offending addresses. Getting actual mail is another ball of wax, especially if they were addressed to family members. That's one of the reasons I'm coming across as less than sympathetic with this bullying story. Bullying, to me, is something that is (within reason) inescapable. Internet correspondence doesn't fall into that category. Content can be easily blocked; access can be easily controlled; and anonymity can be preserved in most venues where access isn't controlled. In short, it's not difficult for me to avoid you or to prevent you from harassing me online. I realize a young girl probably doesn't know this, and it doesn't excuse the bullies' behaviour. I noticed that the "aggravated stalking" laws apply in this case only because the victim was 16 years or under, which is a sensible provision.
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Post by justme on Oct 16, 2013 12:12:10 GMT -5
No, it's not. I had a guy go through over 25 screen names. I blocked each one, within a few minutes he was messaging me again under a different name.
ETA: And in this case, from reports the girl recruited others to join in the bullying. If they didn't bully the girl the original bully went after them too.
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Post by moon/Laura on Oct 16, 2013 12:12:39 GMT -5
So the behaviour of the two arrested girls is acceptable to you? Is that what you are saying? I don't consider it acceptable, but they aren't responsible for Ms. Sedwick's suicide. If there are laws against bullying online, they should be prosecuted according to those laws. I disagree that they're not responsible. If they weren't mean, hateful, little bitches then the victim wouldn't have committed suicide to begin with. It wasn't enough that they attacked her physically, causing her to have to change schools. They had to keep ON tormenting her online!
While it's true that no one forced the victim to read what they wrote, the fact is, at that age, they really don't have the self control NOT to..many adults don't either, for that matter. and despite what some may think, words do hurt. they can absolutely affect the way you feel about yourself. teenagers are especially vulnerable to this. there is no doubt in my mind that those girls made the victim feel like like wasn't worth living. it's a shame she didn't show the nasty comments to an adult.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 12:16:04 GMT -5
No, it's not. I had a guy go through over 25 screen names. I blocked each one, within a few minutes he was messaging me again under a different name. ETA: And in this case, from reports the girl recruited others to join in the bullying. If they didn't bully the girl the original bully went after them too. My son blocked his bullies...what did they do? They made fake accounts, used other people's telephones..etc. We had him deactivate his FB account because no matter how many times he blocked them, they just came back with new accounts with fake names.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2013 12:17:36 GMT -5
Virgil- you are a man right? And would I be right in assuming you have no daughters? You seem to have the same attitude that some of the other guys I run into have. My husband had friends over the other day and the talk turned to bullying and that. The one guy that felt that being bullied in high school should teach kids to "toughen" up was by far in the minority. The other three in the room (DH- dad of a 15 yr boy), Friend A (dad of a little girl) and Friend B (principal of the local Catholic HS) all had the opposite opinion. They felt that bullying is a significant problem but the one guy without kids thinks that kids need to just suck it up. My cousin was in the same situation as this young lady that died. She was bullied so bad she turned to anorexia because they told her that the boy dumped her because she was so fat at 5'8" and 115 lbs. She spent the better part of 18 months in and out of hospitals and institutions- got down as low as 87 lbs. Those same girls than mad fun of her and bullied her for being ugly and looking like a skeleton. This was pre- social media. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been had they been able to facebook harass her afterschool and on the weekends. I think bullying is a problem, no doubt. In general I'm not sympathic to "cyberbullying" victims for two reasons: 1) cyberbullying can be effectively avoided with a modicum of technical know-how, and 2) I don't endorse social media sites like Facebook, etc. anyway; I believe they cause as much or more harm as they do good; and I believe that hostile, mean-spirited comments are an inherent risk that social media users must accept. That said, I don't expect every 14-year-old to know how to avoid cyberbullying, and having laws on the books to prevent it against minors is a good thing.
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Post by justme on Oct 16, 2013 12:20:34 GMT -5
The only way to avoid cyberbullying once you've been targeted is to avoid going on the internet (which in this day and age cuts you off from a lot or all of your friends and family), confront them (and hope it stops instead of making it worse), or hope they get tired of it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 16, 2013 12:21:56 GMT -5
No, it's not. I had a guy go through over 25 screen names. I blocked each one, within a few minutes he was messaging me again under a different name. ETA: And in this case, from reports the girl recruited others to join in the bullying. If they didn't bully the girl the original bully went after them too. My son blocked his bullies...what did they do? They made fake accounts, used other people's telephones..etc. We had him deactivate his FB account because no matter how many times he blocked them, they just came back with new accounts with fake names. Facebook is a cesspit. He's better off not on it anyway. Telephone calls aren't cyberbullying. And blocking screen names or originating e-mail addresses aren't effective means of blocking incoming messages. But for e-mails, phone texts, and most instant messengers, effective means do exist.
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Post by hoops902 on Oct 16, 2013 12:24:27 GMT -5
::So the behaviour of the two arrested girls is acceptable to you? Is that what you are saying?::
There's a difference between unacceptable and illegal.
::I disagree that they're not responsible. If they weren't mean, hateful, little bitches then the victim wouldn't have committed suicide to begin with.::
You don't know this at all actually. She might have killed herself regardless. When you take an action there is one person responsible for that action...you.
The idea that they are responsible because the person doing the action credits them with the action is ridiculous. By that logic someone who goes and shoots up a mall is not the person responsible for everyone dying, it's the girl who turned him down for a date that he blames for making him go crazy that's responsible.
People have lost all sense of being accountable for their own action. These girls are responsible for being jerks and terrible people, they aren't responsible for someone offing herself to deal with their own feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 12:24:47 GMT -5
I never said it was cyberbullying. I said it was a way that they are bullying other teens. They were not calling him either, they were texting him.
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Post by moon/Laura on Oct 16, 2013 12:24:56 GMT -5
that's very true, justme. And i don't see why someone should have to cut themselves off from those who DO care, just because of those who don't. no one should have to hid from life to avoid bullies.
it doesn't matter if it's in person or online. bullying is bullying and there needs to be recourse against it.
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