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Post by EVT1 on Oct 14, 2013 20:09:32 GMT -5
Must be something in the water down there. Just when I thought they were out of the news for a while- they jump right back in. 
www.nbcnews.com/health/florida-execute-man-using-untried-lethal-injection-drug-8C11390762
"This is somewhat of an experiment on a living human being," Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center in Washington, said Monday.
"The three-drug process depends on the first drug rendering the inmate unconscious and, if he is only partially unconscious, the inmate could be experiencing extreme pain," he added. "Because the second drug paralyzes him, he would be unable to cry out or show that he's in pain."
Misty Cash, a spokeswoman for the Florida Department of Corrections, declined to comment on how the state could rest assured that midazolam would avoid inflicting pain and suffering on Happ.
But she said the prison system "did research and determined that this is the most humane and dignified way to do the procedure."
She refused to identify a research laboratory or other source of the department's scientific data, citing an exemption in state public record laws that also meant that the supplier of midazolam hydrochloride for executions could remain anonymous.
I know I know- who cares about some death row inmate (or the eighth amendment  )........Don't expect much sympathy- but I had to live up to my apparent reputation as a Florida hater  Hear that? You suck FL! That should make a few posters feel vindicated.
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Post by justme on Oct 14, 2013 20:15:25 GMT -5
Well, uh, how exactly does one test whether a drug is lethal to humans? I mean, I only see disgruntled spouses signing their spouse up for that drug trial, but I'm pretty sure the person would have to agree. |
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Post by Jaguar on Oct 14, 2013 20:16:38 GMT -5
Freaking wow, the wannabe authorities there have sunk to an even lower low.
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 14, 2013 20:27:20 GMT -5
Well, uh, how exactly does one test whether a drug is lethal to humans? I mean, I only see disgruntled spouses signing their spouse up for that drug trial, but I'm pretty sure the person would have to agree. It's the first drug in the process and it's failure to work would violate the 8th amendment- but we are supposed to just take the word of the prison spokesperson that due diligence was done- since they refuse to offer any details. When is the US going to give this up and join the rest of the modern world? Can't think of one good reason we still do it. |
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Post by justme on Oct 14, 2013 20:30:04 GMT -5
Well, uh, how exactly does one test whether a drug is lethal to humans? I mean, I only see disgruntled spouses signing their spouse up for that drug trial, but I'm pretty sure the person would have to agree. It's the first drug in the process and it's failure to work would violate the 8th amendment- but we are supposed to just take the word of the prison spokesperson that due diligence was done- since they refuse to offer any details. When is the US going to give this up and join the rest of the modern world? Can't think of one good reason we still do it. Oh, I wasn't saying it was a good idea. Just stating it's not like they could use a new tested lethal injection. |
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 14, 2013 20:35:50 GMT -5
Wow, ANOTHER Florida coup. Isn't it AMAZING? Florida is one awesome state to be the recipient of so much attention. |
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 14, 2013 22:36:49 GMT -5
EVT1, that last post of yours was moved off the board. You basically said you were baiting. That's against our CoC, so cut it out. - mmhmm, Administrator
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 14, 2013 23:21:04 GMT -5
SNOW LEOPARD TESTING! SWEET HIPPOS OF FIJI, THIS IS MY CHANCE! MUST GET TO FLORIDA!!!  MUST... CONVINCE... POLITICIANS...!!! |
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 15, 2013 0:40:12 GMT -5
Poor death row inmates, experiencing pain while being executed... the humanity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 15:06:47 GMT -5
Poor death row inmates, experiencing pain while being executed... the humanity. Kind of what I was thinking. Would they prefer guillotine with a "not so sharp" axe? Firing squad? Electrocution? Gas Chamber? The Rack? Iron Maiden? Hanging? |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 15, 2013 15:16:12 GMT -5
Poor death row inmates, experiencing pain while being executed... the humanity. Kind of what I was thinking. Would they prefer guillotine with a "not so sharp" axe? Firing squad? Electrocution? Gas Chamber? The Rack? Iron Maiden? Hanging? I've never understood the problem with firing squad. If I had to be put down, I'd want it to be by firing squad. A guillotine would work fine too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 15:17:38 GMT -5
exactly
if they committed something heinous enough for death row, it doesnt matter to me what we use to finish the sentence
any of the above are fine by me
and for those SPECIAL cases involving kids.....well my mercy quotient is all used up for those guys.....
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 15, 2013 15:19:40 GMT -5
There was an inmate a few years ago in the Midwest somewhere who said he'd plead guilty to multiple counts of murder 1, and give up his appeals, if he could pick the manner of his execution. Wanted a firing squad instead of lethal injection. If I remember right he was turned down since firing squad isn't allowed anymore. His trial and mandatory appeals process was going to cost the tax payers a pretty penny. It's so stupid. Less messy for the spectators so we feel better about ourselves, but I honestly think firing squad or decapitation would be more humane.
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Post by justme on Oct 15, 2013 15:21:29 GMT -5
Oooh, there could be a wheel of death! Spin to reveal your fate. Options including, but not limited to: Lethal injection Ol' Sparky Firing Squad Guillotine Hanging Drawn and Quartering Sharks with frickin' laserbeams attached to their heads Too bad that probably violates something in the Constitution  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 15:33:06 GMT -5
Trust me...I'm not opposed to any of those ways of execution. Like gdgyva said...to be executed, you usually have to commit a pretty big crime that includes loss of life. Your random bulk product drug dealer isn't getting the sleepy juice.
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Post by kittensaver on Oct 15, 2013 15:40:44 GMT -5
I'm in the "why do we still execute people" camp too. We kill people to show people that killing people is wrong. *SMH* |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 15, 2013 17:39:25 GMT -5
I'm in the "why do we still execute people" camp too. We kill people to show people that killing people is wrong. *SMH* No, we kill depraved murderers because it's a just punishment for their crimes. |
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Post by kittensaver on Oct 15, 2013 17:40:50 GMT -5
I'm in the "why do we still execute people" camp too. We kill people to show people that killing people is wrong. *SMH* No, we kill depraved murderers because it's a just punishment for their crimes. Agreed to disagree. |
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 15, 2013 17:49:42 GMT -5
I'm in the "why do we still execute people" camp too. We kill people to show people that killing people is wrong. *SMH* No, we kill depraved murderers because it's a just punishment for their crimes. I didn't think execution was legal in Canada, Virgil. Am I mistaken? |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 15, 2013 18:06:35 GMT -5
No, we kill depraved murderers because it's a just punishment for their crimes. I didn't think execution was legal in Canada, Virgil. Am I mistaken? No. P.M. Pierre Trudeau got rid of it in the 1970's. It's incredibly difficult to bring it back once it's gone. However, the majority of Canadians do actually support the death penalty, and always have. Outside of Quebec, "majority" becomes "considerable majority". |
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Post by kittensaver on Oct 15, 2013 18:13:21 GMT -5
I didn't think execution was legal in Canada, Virgil. Am I mistaken? No. P.M. Pierre Trudeau got rid of it in the 1970's. It's incredibly difficult to bring it back once it's gone. However, the majority of Canadians do actually support the death penalty, and always have. Outside of Quebec, "majority" becomes "considerable majority". So in reality "you" don't actually kill/execute depraved murderers at all, huh? Interesting . . . you claimed you did . . . |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 15, 2013 18:22:35 GMT -5
No. P.M. Pierre Trudeau got rid of it in the 1970's. It's incredibly difficult to bring it back once it's gone. However, the majority of Canadians do actually support the death penalty, and always have. Outside of Quebec, "majority" becomes "considerable majority". So in reality "you" don't actually kill/execute depraved murderers at all, huh? Interesting . . . you claimed you did . . . Where? I claimed it's a just punishment. Liberal as they are, most Canadians agree with me. They want men like Paul Bernardo and Robert Pickton gone, not popping up in the news every two years as they're moved between prisons or paraded in front of victims' families at endless parole hearings. Or writing letters to victims' families, which was the latest debacle. You may feel good about keeping them locked up like animals until their minds and bodies rot away in isolation. I say stick a needle in their arms, dig a grave, say a few words, and have done with it. |
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Post by kittensaver on Oct 15, 2013 18:28:39 GMT -5
I'm in the "why do we still execute people" camp too. We kill people to show people that killing people is wrong. *SMH*
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 18:32:47 GMT -5
SNOW LEOPARD TESTING! SWEET HIPPOS OF FIJI, THIS IS MY CHANCE! MUST GET TO FLORIDA!!! MUST... CONVINCE... POLITICIANS...!!! " All (individuals) are equal, but some (individuals) are more equal than others." I'd say Virgil's baiting is anything but subtle... yet, there it is. Undeleted. In a corrupt society, the "insider elite" are exempted from Laws that apply to others. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 18:37:56 GMT -5
So in reality "you" don't actually kill/execute depraved murderers at all, huh? Interesting . . . you claimed you did . . . Where? I claimed it's a just punishment. Liberal as they are, most Canadians agree with me. They want men like Paul Bernardo and Robert Pickton gone, not popping up in the news every two years as they're moved between prisons or paraded in front of victims' families at endless parole hearings. Or writing letters to victims' families, which was the latest debacle. You may feel good about keeping them locked up like animals until their minds and bodies rot away in isolation. I say stick a needle in their arms, dig a grave, say a few words, and have done with it. The ancient greeks provided their "condemned for life" prisoners with Hemlock... but they didn't force them to ingest it. It was an available option for the incarcerated, to be employed or not, dependent upon the inclination of the imprisoned. |
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Oct 15, 2013 18:46:02 GMT -5
Poor death row inmates, experiencing pain while being executed... the humanity.  Current death row inmates are guilty as hell and I prefer they be tested on than animals. I'm just sayin'. Maybe Rick Scott isn't so bad after all!  |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 15, 2013 19:09:35 GMT -5
SNOW LEOPARD TESTING! SWEET HIPPOS OF FIJI, THIS IS MY CHANCE! MUST GET TO FLORIDA!!! MUST... CONVINCE... POLITICIANS...!!! " All (individuals) are equal, but some (individuals) are more equal than others." I'd say Virgil's baiting is anything but subtle... yet, there it is. Undeleted. In a corrupt society, the "insider elite" are exempted from Laws that apply to others. Who am I baiting? I think you're missing the point of the post. |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 15, 2013 19:11:29 GMT -5
No, we kill depraved murderers because it's a just punishment for their crimes.
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 15, 2013 20:11:07 GMT -5
Current death row inmates are guilty as hell and I prefer they be tested on than animals. I'm just sayin'. Well, that's my problem with the whole thing- I don't believe that- and evidence shows that is the case. So until that's fixed it should be banned. Not to mention it is just way to costly- I can't get over the fiscal conservatives that love executing people- apparently bloodlust is more important than the budget. |
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Post by Shooby on Oct 16, 2013 6:05:40 GMT -5
There is nothing "untested" about midazolam (Versed). It is one of the most common drugs used in surgery and anesthesia.
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