Well, it's official. I'm getting furloughed.

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 1, 2013 23:29:05 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

Oct 1, 2013 19:40:59 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I'm still calling BS on everyone getting paid for not working. I could walk into work tomorrow and get laid off for two months....no notice and no back pay.

You can call BS all you want, it doesn't change the fact they will be paid retroactively

if you want to "bet" on it let me know

I'm saying it is BS that they will get paid. But the way our government is I have no doubt they will waste money and pay everyone. It pisses me off that official notification wasn't given to avoid wasting taxpayers money

[Otto the Orange]

Oct 2, 2013 4:48:36 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 1, 2013 23:29:05 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

You can call BS all you want, it doesn't change the fact they will be paid retroactively

if you want to "bet" on it let me know

I'm saying it is BS that they will get paid. But the way our government is I have no doubt they will waste money and pay everyone. It pisses me off that official notification wasn't given to avoid wasting taxpayers money

well it's better to be pi$$ed off than p!$$ed on

<<tries to think of another no win bet to sucker Miss T into>>

[Otto the Orange]

Oct 1, 2013 15:16:03 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Well.  I'm not opposed to entering such an agreement.  The main problem is I'm scheduled to go on vacation next week.  So if I won the bet, you wouldn't hear much from me because my internet connection would be spotty.  Conversly, if you won, I wouldn't be able to like all your posts until I got back.  So I'd have to find them and like them "retroactively."

Anyways, if you're fine with that, then I guess we can agree to the wager.

well doing what I said is no fun then

how about if we both agree

the loser has to post how awesome the other person and you will never doubt them again, and it has to be in its very own thread created by the lsoer and it has to be sincere

[Cookies Galore]

Oct 1, 2013 19:40:59 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 1, 2013 19:35:41 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

People here have been saying the agencies didn't give appropriate, timely notice of the furloughs so they will be forced to give the back pay to those furloughed.

I know with sequestration, it was a big deal when the letters were sent. They had to be given 30-60 days in advance. Obviously handing them out today doesn't satisfy that requirement.

Sure leaving a hour early and getting an extra day off is nice, however, my workload hasn't been reduced. A lot of the people I need to deal with are furloughed. Catchup will be hell if this goes on for too long.

I'm still calling BS on everyone getting paid for not working. I could walk into work tomorrow and get laid off for two months....no notice and no back pay.

And if you get laid off for two months you can collect unemployment.

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 2, 2013 6:44:31 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Oct 1, 2013 19:40:59 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I'm still calling BS on everyone getting paid for not working. I could walk into work tomorrow and get laid off for two months....no notice and no back pay.

And if you get laid off for two months you can collect unemployment.

money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/news/economy/shutdown-federal-unemployment-benefits/

And so can furloughed employees

[Otto the Orange]

Oct 2, 2013 6:47:32 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 2, 2013 6:44:31 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

And if you get laid off for two months you can collect unemployment.

money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/news/economy/shutdown-federal-unemployment-benefits/

And so can furloughed employees

you say that like its a bad thing

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 2, 2013 6:55:31 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

Oct 2, 2013 6:47:32 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/news/economy/shutdown-federal-unemployment-benefits/

And so can furloughed employees

you say that like its a bad thing

No I didn't.  I was pointing out that they can also collect unemployment during their furlough...again, no different than anyone else that gets laid off.  Of course, if they do get backpay they have to pay the unemployment back.

[Otto the Orange]

Oct 2, 2013 6:59:26 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 2, 2013 6:55:31 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

you say that like its a bad thing

No I didn't.  I was pointing out that they can also collect unemployment during their furlough...again, no different than anyone else that gets laid off.  Of course, if they do get backpay they have to pay the unemployment back.

Now that just sounds really mean of our government to make them pay back the unemployment when (not "if", but "when" ) the gov civilians that are furloughed get their back pay 

But the people I really feel sorry for is the "essential" civilains.  They have to actually work now and will recieve back; whereas their furloughed co-workers don;t have to actually work and will get back pay

ETA- maybe to make it "fair", maybe they will double pay the essential civilians- once for actual work and once for the paid furlough they missed

[Cookies Galore]

Oct 2, 2013 6:59:26 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 2, 2013 6:55:31 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

you say that like its a bad thing

No I didn't.  I was pointing out that they can also collect unemployment during their furlough...again, no different than anyone else that gets laid off.  Of course, if they do get backpay they have to pay the unemployment back.

So the problem is...

[Deleted]

Oct 2, 2013 5:02:08 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

well it's better to be pi$$ed off than p!$$ed on

You obviously don't know her very well.... 

[wvugurl26]

No, all the people who are working now will get is a heavier workload once everyone returns.

Maybe I should get my furloughed friend to do my errands and chores for me!

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 2, 2013 7:15:40 GMT -5 Cookies Galore said:

Oct 2, 2013 6:59:26 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

No I didn't.  I was pointing out that they can also collect unemployment during their furlough...again, no different than anyone else that gets laid off.  Of course, if they do get backpay they have to pay the unemployment back.

So the problem is...

Unemployment is capped at a very small weekly amount...nowhere near someone's actual salary....

[imawino]

Oct 1, 2013 19:40:59 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Oct 1, 2013 19:35:41 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

I agree with this.  If you don't work you shouldn't get paid.  Obviously anyone who has to continue to work should receive the back pay, but no work should = no pay.  It's a simple equation.

I have no malice towards government employees, but that is just how it works in the world.  It happens in the private sector all the time.  I do not think that government employees should be treated better - or worse - than any other employees.


ETA:  the comment I was agreeing with disappeared!  oh well. 

[aliciar6]

Oct 1, 2013 14:20:00 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

Oct 1, 2013 10:16:23 GMT -5 aliciar6 said:

which catagory do you fall under?  I know many military civilians will be furloughed.  I have a friend who works for the Naval Shipyards, and he says more than 2/3 of their workforce has been furloughed.

I am one of them that has FY13 funds, my whole branch does, most of our division does, we had about 25 furloughed from the division, but almost all of the senior leaders and SES's are furloughed.  We are good until the funds run out, then we get our furlough letters. 

[TheOtherMe]

Yesterday the House passed a bill stating that the furloughed employees will get paid.  The Senate majority leader said "of course" the Senate will pass it.  This is the reason why shutting down the government is so utterly stupid.

My DS tried to tell me that she'd work anyway.  I was told by my former co-workers they had to turn in government issued cell phones and government issued laptops.  How does she think they are going to connect to non-running websites to do their jobs?  They can't.  

During the last furlough, I did so some work at home, but that was because we still did a lot of stuff by hand, on 7 column accounting paper and an adding machine.  It isn't done that way now.  

During the last furlough I never did understand how my manager was essential when none of us were there.  Who was he managing?  

[Otto the Orange]

Oct 2, 2013 11:40:41 GMT -5 aliciar6 said:

Oct 1, 2013 14:20:00 GMT -5 Phoenix84 said:

I am one of them that has FY13 funds, my whole branch does, most of our division does, we had about 25 furloughed from the division, but almost all of the senior leaders and SES's are furloughed.  We are good until the funds run out, then we get our furlough letters. 

But it's actually FY 14, how are they paying a FY 14 bill (your salaries) with FY 13 dollars? 

is it a 2 year appropriation or mil con or what?

[deantrip]

I heard that the house passed a bill and the President says he is going to sign it guaranteeing back pay for all furloughed workers.  If that is the case, why the hell can't the employees be at work since they are getting paid.  This is just utterly stupid by the politicians on all sides.

[Deleted]

I'm glad they are clearing that up, but then like deantrip, I don't understand why they don't keep those people working.

[aliciar6]

Oct 6, 2013 15:06:12 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

Oct 2, 2013 11:40:41 GMT -5 aliciar6 said:

I am one of them that has FY13 funds, my whole branch does, most of our division does, we had about 25 furloughed from the division, but almost all of the senior leaders and SES's are furloughed.  We are good until the funds run out, then we get our furlough letters. 

But it's actually FY 14, how are they paying a FY 14 bill (your salaries) with FY 13 dollars? 

is it a 2 year appropriation or mil con or what?

the FY13 funds are carryover, they are good for 2 years.  most of our R& funds are 2 year. 

we are still waiting to see what they do with the overhead, normally it was able to be carried forward into the new FY, but that was before we  all switched GFEBS.  though last year because it was such a cluster we were able to carry forward all the FY12 OH into FY13.

[Otto the Orange]

Oct 7, 2013 8:20:54 GMT -5 aliciar6 said:

Oct 6, 2013 15:06:12 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

But it's actually FY 14, how are they paying a FY 14 bill (your salaries) with FY 13 dollars? 

is it a 2 year appropriation or mil con or what?

the FY13 funds are carryover, they are good for 2 years.  most of our R& funds are 2 year. 

we are still waiting to see what they do with the overhead, normally it was able to be carried forward into the new FY, but that was before we  all switched GFEBS.  though last year because it was such a cluster we were able to carry forward all the FY12 OH into FY13.

GFEBS works so wonderfully doesn't it?

[aliciar6]

@mr. Bill OMFG don't even get me started on GFEBS. 

[Phoenix84]

Well, it appears the house did pass a bill to pay the furloughed federal employees.  Unfortunately, we never got a real bet in place.  But regardless, Mr. Bill was right and I was wrong.  Mr. Bill will enter the pantheon of posters that I won't doubt, EVER! 

[Phoenix84]

Oct 6, 2013 21:27:44 GMT -5 deantrip said:

I heard that the house passed a bill and the President says he is going to sign it guaranteeing back pay for all furloughed workers.  If that is the case, why the hell can't the employees be at work since they are getting paid.  This is just utterly stupid by the politicians on all sides.

Well, the shutdown means the agencies don't have money for anything, including saleries.  Just because the employees will get paid AFTER the shutdown ends, doesn't mean the agencies will have money to do anything.  The agencies can't accomplish their missions without appropriations funding, and if the agencies can't accomplish their missions, the employees can't work.