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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 1, 2013 2:15:40 GMT -5
As of midnight, congress couldn't reach an agreement on appropriations to keep the government funded.
Therefore it's official, I'm furloughed.
Unfortunately for you guys, that means I have more time to hang out here.
I ran the numbers, like a good YM'er. For every day the government shuts down, I lose about $300.00.
What about my fellow govies? Are you being furloughed too? Or are you considered "exempt?"
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 2:17:29 GMT -5
I don't understand why you assume you lose $300.
I'll bet they pay you retroactively once its resolved.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Oct 1, 2013 2:39:08 GMT -5
I don't understand why you assume you lose $300. I'll bet they pay you retroactively once its resolved. $300.00 is about what I make in a day. Though to be fair, that's gross. I didn't figure in taxes or anything. I disagree about being retroactively paid. I don't think that will happen this time. It would cost too much money, at least according to those in congress. Hmmm, I wonder if my health insurance lapses too? Better not get hurt or anything....
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 2:54:35 GMT -5
health insurance doesn't lapse
we had a briefing yesterday
How much do yu want to bet you get retroactively paid?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 5:55:36 GMT -5
Do you actually go into work, Phoenix, or are you being told to take the time off?
I think that is what would determine whether he gets retroactively paid, Mr. Bill. Of course, I don't understand the federal government, but we only get paid for days worked.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Oct 1, 2013 6:07:21 GMT -5
If we work, they have to pay us at some point. Luckily I'm excepted and will get 80% of my paycheck as normal if this drags into next week. Next Friday's paycheck will be 100% as we are covered for funding this week.
Bill raised the point that they will have to pay everyone because they did not provide timely notice of furloughs. I know when sequestration kicked in, the notice was a big deal. If the same rules apply to running out of funding, then yeah they missed the deadline by a month or more.
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 6:40:08 GMT -5
They have to go into work today and do about 4 hours - do their "last" timecard in the computer system so at least they can get paid for Monday
they also have to signa nd acknowledge their "emergency" furlough notice or whatever the paperwork is called
and in theory they need to secure sensitive things in their desk, office, etc. and pass on important info to their mission essential peeps for continuity
than they go home (all the above can take no more than 4 hours)
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Post by Apple on Oct 1, 2013 8:03:41 GMT -5
I might be joining you soon, phoenix... We are not exempt unless crap really hits the fan and too many things break. But, we might have funding for the first few weeks (most of our work is direct funded, at least for my crew). Or, We might be sent home after 4 hours. Good luck. Will your state allow you to take unemployment? I think ours does, but they we would have to pay it back if we do get paid...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 1, 2013 8:25:58 GMT -5
What I'm wondering is: at what point was your fur high?
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 8:28:03 GMT -5
What I'm wondering is: at what point was your fur high? that's even more corny than an Archie joke......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 8:41:27 GMT -5
Should he change the title to "I'm getting manscaped"?
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 8:46:44 GMT -5
oy vey
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 1, 2013 9:12:58 GMT -5
What I'm wondering is: at what point was your fur high? that's even more corny than an Archie joke...... Corny puns are the highest form of humour.
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Post by aliciar6 on Oct 1, 2013 10:16:23 GMT -5
We got really weird guidance. If you have FY13 project funds then you can continue working and get paid even if you are non-essential (we support the military and military operations), if you are essential but have no funds or are funded out of over head, you work and will get paid retroactively, if you have no FY13 project funds and are non-essential, then you are furloughed, no idea if you will get back pay. Sooo we have people on annual leave right now, are they now furloughed, but what if they change it to travel comp time which was previously paid for it seems that if we have people who got sent home and won't get back pay because they were admin, or other on over head or had no project funds left over and they don't get back pay...our union will have fit. It's not like we are getting furloughed through any fault of our own...but we are the ones who get the shaft for it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 11:02:13 GMT -5
"It's not like we are getting furloughed through any fault of our own.."
That's what furlough is I thought. It has nothing to do with your performance but the company's (or government in this case).
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Post by wvugurl26 on Oct 1, 2013 11:28:56 GMT -5
"It's not like we are getting furloughed through any fault of our own.." That's what furlough is I thought. It has nothing to do with your performance but the company's (or government in this case). It has to do with the lack of performance by Congress. Not the people working in agencies and busting their butts every day. They've decided they are ok with innocent people and their paychecks being collateral damage in their pissing match. My office is mostly excepted. We occupy a suite on one corner of a floor. The main complex consists of 11 floors across three buildings and other buildings scattered around the neighborhood. It appears most of them are being furloughed. Tomorrow only one gate and 2/4 entrances will be open. Cafe is expected to remain closed.
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 11:44:49 GMT -5
We got really weird guidance. If you have FY13 project funds then you can continue working and get paid even if you are non-essential (we support the military and military operations), if you are essential but have no funds or are funded out of over head, you work and will get paid retroactively, if you have no FY13 project funds and are non-essential, then you are furloughed, no idea if you will get back pay. Sooo we have people on annual leave right now, are they now furloughed, but what if they change it to travel comp time which was previously paid for it seems that if we have people who got sent home and won't get back pay because they were admin, or other on over head or had no project funds left over and they don't get back pay...our union will have fit. It's not like we are getting furloughed through any fault of our own...but we are the ones who get the shaft for it wow how crappy information some places provide if you are on leave during the furlough (like say you were on a planned vacation 25 Sep- 5 Oct) you would be changed to a non pay status from 1 Oct fwd
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Post by aliciar6 on Oct 1, 2013 11:51:55 GMT -5
@mr. Bill yeah it has been a cluster around here all yesterday and all day today. it was just a few minutes ago that they had the furlough letters for those who are being furloughed, and some people have been here longer than the 4 hours they will be paid for.
I am waiting for them to change their mind about those of us who can continue working on FY13 funds.
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 12:01:05 GMT -5
I am confused about "continuing to work on FY 13 funds"
unless its a 2 year appropriation? MIL-CON? or something else?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Oct 1, 2013 12:01:44 GMT -5
Our information was slow in coming. We finally got it all late yesterday. Someone suggested to my group's #2 SES who is acting for the top dog right now that since she didn't need training hours maybe she shouldn't be in training Thursday, Friday, Monday and Tuesday while all this was going down. It went right over her head.
We are partially furloughed but we have funds for all this week. I guess next week we they will have our letters?
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 12:10:13 GMT -5
no takers on the back pay for furloughed civilians?
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 1, 2013 12:52:34 GMT -5
We got really weird guidance. If you have FY13 project funds then you can continue working and get paid even if you are non-essential (we support the military and military operations), if you are essential but have no funds or are funded out of over head, you work and will get paid retroactively, if you have no FY13 project funds and are non-essential, then you are furloughed, no idea if you will get back pay. Sooo we have people on annual leave right now, are they now furloughed, but what if they change it to travel comp time which was previously paid for it seems that if we have people who got sent home and won't get back pay because they were admin, or other on over head or had no project funds left over and they don't get back pay...our union will have fit. It's not like we are getting furloughed through any fault of our own...but we are the ones who get the shaft for it wow how crappy information some places provide if you are on leave during the furlough (like say you were on a planned vacation 25 Sep- 5 Oct) you would be changed to a non pay status from 1 Oct fwd Why wouldn't they just let the person's vacation/leave stay the same and just take the correct days from vacation and pay them back retroactively? Unless this has some meaning I'm not getting politically it just doens't make sense to me.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 1, 2013 12:57:51 GMT -5
Because paying 8 hours of vacation time is the same as paying the person to work for 8 hours. Can't do one, can't do the other.
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 1, 2013 13:12:54 GMT -5
but eventually people are going to get paid for working. So they will have a job that needs doing, yet get to take vacation time, and get paid, to not do that work then instead of getting paid vacation time when they are not allowed to work now.
Clearly working for the government requires a speical way of thinking that I don't have.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 1, 2013 13:15:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry phoenix, apple and anyone else affected this way.
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Post by Otto the Orange on Oct 1, 2013 13:17:35 GMT -5
Beach ---There is currently NO MONEY to pay anything for Fiscal Year 2014 (Oct 1, 2013 - Sep 30, 2014) except for a few exceptional cases and critical functions
someone going on vacation from 1 - 5 Oct or whatever is NOT a critical function or important enough to be an exceptional case (they would get paid for these days on their next paycheck)
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 1, 2013 13:19:17 GMT -5
but eventually people are going to get paid for working. So they will have a job that needs doing, yet get to take vacation time, and get paid, to not do that work then instead of getting paid vacation time when they are not allowed to work now. Clearly working for the government requires a speical way of thinking that I don't have. Are we sure that everyone who is working right now for free will be getting backpay for shutdown time?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Oct 1, 2013 13:23:38 GMT -5
but eventually people are going to get paid for working. So they will have a job that needs doing, yet get to take vacation time, and get paid, to not do that work then instead of getting paid vacation time when they are not allowed to work now. Clearly working for the government requires a speical way of thinking that I don't have. Are we sure that everyone who is working right now for free will be getting backpay for shutdown time? I'm positive if you must work, you must be paid eventually. That creates a legal obligation. Congress is legally obligated to pay those people. The people who are furloughed are the ones in question for backpay. My group's tasks and funding sources result in us working 80% and receiving 80% of the normal check on the usual pay schedule.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 1, 2013 13:38:58 GMT -5
WVU, then if you're only receiving 80% pay, does that also mean you're only doing 80% of your normal work? I guess I'm not sure who Beachbum is referring to. I thought her point was that if a person was put on furlough but they were already scheduled to be on vacation, they should be allowed to be left on vacation. I covered the reasoning on that, I thought. If she's talking about people still working and being paid, then I don't see that they're going to be affected whether on vacation or not. Perhaps I misunderstood the whole thing...
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 1, 2013 13:45:10 GMT -5
Rocky I was talking about someone whose division is furloughed now. If they had previously scheduled vacation I don't see why they can't just get the vacation pay once this is over. We are sure this can't last forever right? Eventually these people are going to go back to work and have all the work they didn't do while furloughed now, plus all the new work to do. It just makes more sense to me to let people use their vacation days to cover the furlough timed instead of making them take future days off to use that time.
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