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Post by swamp on Sept 13, 2013 18:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by busymom on Sept 13, 2013 18:39:47 GMT -5
Too late. My DD's already attending (gasp!) a college. I'm a Christian, but personal experience has given me a couple of good reasons to send her. Ignoring the fact that she's just plain a bright kid, I've had 2 friends who were widows before they were 40, & a couple more who divorced. I've always wanted my own DD, whether she decides to marry or not, to be able to support herself. And, don't you think, seriously, that a man wants someone he can really have a conversation with, & not just a "dumb blonde" for a wife? (I can say that. I'm blonde.)
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Post by Tiny on Sept 13, 2013 21:14:19 GMT -5
Read (or atleast attempted to read) that earlier in the week. I keep hoping it's Poe.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Sept 13, 2013 21:26:48 GMT -5
My dear daughter is working on her master's degree ( at her own expense ). She's a devout Catholic, and I do mean devout. However, her leanings toward higher educational pursuits have not ruined her. She even looked at whether she had a vocation ( for non-Catholics, having a vocation or seeking a vocation means being, or looking at becoming a priest, monk, or nun ). She really wants to marry and raise a family, but hasn't found the right man to marry. So much of this is utter hogwash, and I'm really sad to see that the author really believes his tripe. Another portion of his blog is related, and even worse, in my opinion. www.fixthefamily.com/blog/i-address-women-because-i-love-themOh boy. I hope that my DD doesn't meet a nutjob like this author. Of course, she would ship him out ASAP if she did.
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Post by resolution on Sept 13, 2013 21:55:42 GMT -5
Looks like a big money grab from stupid people. They have "donate here" buttons all over their site.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 23:24:08 GMT -5
OMG - Lunacy!!!!! I don't know why people have to wrap shit like that up in religion. They are just crazy people looking to create a sect. Or they are creative geniuses living in a HCOLA and found a way to make their homes property tax free by classifying them as a church!!! Swamp, I bet Team YM could come up with some cracked out concept like this and start to run a blog and see how many takers we get. I'm thinking that all the opinion pieces could be started by TLoonya Women-of-Worth UNITE!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 1:42:02 GMT -5
I was wondering when someone was going to post this.
Swamp is your head still exploding?
I actually got some of this crap when I was applying to college. My mom told me that if I decided to go to college that they would not help me pay for it. She said that she always planned for me to marry a rich man and be a good Christian SAHM. She said that they would help my brothers with school because they were men and needed to support a family and I did not.
I still applied to college. A week after graduating HS I moved out of my parents house and into an apartment. My mom hit the roof when she found out that I had went out and found an apartment and signed a lease without her permission..
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Post by milee on Sept 14, 2013 6:50:48 GMT -5
More than anything, this makes me sad.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Sept 14, 2013 8:51:03 GMT -5
Those people should read the survey that Mr. Bill referenced about men looking for a financially independent partner.
Or we can all just chalk it up to "the lord shall provide".
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Post by dannylion on Sept 14, 2013 9:35:47 GMT -5
Just further proof that the world is knee-deep in idiots.
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Post by Formerly SK on Sept 14, 2013 9:45:21 GMT -5
More than anything, this makes me sad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 18:03:50 GMT -5
This is typical of the fundamentalist element of many major religions. I was raised Roman Catholic, born in the 1950s, and my sister and I sure didn't get that attitude. My parents were as serious about us going on to college as they were with my 3 brothers.
I can't understand anyone raising a daughter (or son) to be completely dependent on another person. What if she never marries? Assuming they buy proper insurance (as the article says) against premature death and disability, what about unemployment? I'd leave out the possibility of divorce, but some thoughtful, prayerful conservatives will acknowledge that in abusive marriages, the abuser has broken his/her marriage vows and sometimes divorce is the only humane solution. What if he doesn't pay child support, or it's not enough?
This article is definitely not the way 99% of the civilized world thinks.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 14, 2013 18:11:38 GMT -5
This is typical of the fundamentalist element of many major religions. I was raised Roman Catholic, born in the 1950s, and my sister and I sure didn't get that attitude. My parents were as serious about us going on to college as they were with my 3 brothers. I can't understand anyone raising a daughter (or son) to be completely dependent on another person. What if she never marries? Assuming they buy proper insurance (as the article says) against premature death and disability, what about unemployment? I'd leave out the possibility of divorce, but some thoughtful, prayerful conservatives will acknowledge that in abusive marriages, the abuser has broken his/her marriage vows and sometimes divorce is the only humane solution. What if he doesn't pay child support, or it's not enough? This article is definitely not the way 99% of the civilized world thinks. Did the Catholic school education ìn the 50s and 60s too. The priests and nuns pushed college for all.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 14, 2013 18:23:07 GMT -5
Those people should read the survey that Mr. Bill referenced about men looking for a financially independent partner. Or we can all just chalk it up to "the lord shall provide". This is not about God. It's about a religious radical. I saw the title and can't bring myself to read it. Too late anyway all of our daughters are higher edumacated. Masters even. Did we sin? This garbage makes me want to swear. *&^%$#@! So there!
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Sept 14, 2013 18:29:06 GMT -5
I meant "the lord shall provide" more in the "it'll all work out" way. A college education can offer opportunity for advancement. Maybe the lord will provide, but I see nothing wrong with helping along the way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 18:42:20 GMT -5
I meant "the lord shall provide" more in the "it'll all work out" way. A college education can offer opportunity for advancement. Maybe the lord will provide, but I see nothing wrong with helping along the way. God helps those who help themselves!
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Post by Tiny on Sept 14, 2013 18:47:52 GMT -5
Those people should read the survey that Mr. Bill referenced about men looking for a financially independent partner. Or we can all just chalk it up to "the lord shall provide". This is not about God. It's about a religious radical. I saw the title and can't bring myself to read it. Too late anyway all of our daughters are higher edumacated. Masters even. Did we sin? This garbage makes me want to swear. *&^%$#@! So there! Actually, the idea/concept that women and children are not chattel (property) is a relatively new one (what - about 200 years or so?) and it isn't even accepted all around the world.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 14, 2013 19:13:18 GMT -5
This is not about God. It's about a religious radical. I saw the title and can't bring myself to read it. Too late anyway all of our daughters are higher edumacated. Masters even. Did we sin? This garbage makes me want to swear. *&^%$#@! So there! Actually, the idea/concept that women and children are not chattel (property) is a relatively new one (what - about 200 years or so?) and it isn't even accepted all around the world. Most people are aware of the information you have provided. The person in the article and the article is what is the topic of the thread. Not someone's impression of God. Just stick to the facts mam. (Bet you don't know where that quote came from!!!!) I'll give you .26 cents if you can tell me.
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Post by milee on Sept 14, 2013 20:01:25 GMT -5
Actually, the idea/concept that women and children are not chattel (property) is a relatively new one (what - about 200 years or so?) and it isn't even accepted all around the world. It isn't even accepted in most of the world if you look at the numbers. Population-wise, a larger portion of the world believes women are property. The view that women are not property is the minority view.
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 14, 2013 20:04:49 GMT -5
"will be in a near occasion of sin" I was also raised Roman Catholic and I have no idea WTF that even means. I am also sure that most orders require candidates to have a BA/BS, plus a certain amount of credits in religion and philosphy, before they can join the convent to be a nun.
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Post by resolution on Sept 14, 2013 20:26:49 GMT -5
"will be in a near occasion of sin" I was also raised Roman Catholic and I have no idea WTF that even means. I am also sure that most orders require candidates to have a BA/BS, plus a certain amount of credits in religion and philosphy, before they can join the convent to be a nun. Clearly women can't control themselves and will be constantly tempted to have sex if they go to college. Kind of similar to how they will be constantly tempted to have sex if they don't go to college... In our area there was a woman that wanted to join a convent and they wouldn't take her unless she paid off her debts. I guess with the vow of poverty she wouldn't be earning enough to make the payments once she joined. They were soliciting contributions in the church bulletin to help pay off her debts. I am not sure how this squares with so many nuns being nurses and teachers, which all require degrees.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 14, 2013 23:41:43 GMT -5
LMAO!! I saw this title on the right of the part you all are discussing: ... - resurrecting manhood today and couldn't stop laughing enough to read it. Plus I didn't want to ruin my buzz I got going on tonight.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 15, 2013 8:08:49 GMT -5
Actually, the idea/concept that women and children are not chattel (property) is a relatively new one (what - about 200 years or so?) and it isn't even accepted all around the world. Most people are aware of the information you have provided. The person in the article and the article is what is the topic of the thread. Not someone's impression of God. Just stick to the facts mam. (Bet you don't know where that quote came from!!!!) I'll give you .26 cents if you can tell me. I'm sorry. I wasn't going the religious route with my response. I was (poorly) attempting to point out that it is often a cultural/societal thing. Unfortunately, religion, use to play a huge part in cultural/societal set ups back into the past. That's OK. It's not a jab at religion. Unfortunately, some of the arrangement of culture/society hangs on due to it being 'tradition' or 'that's the way it's always been' even once the original reason for it (maybe some ancient religious teaching by which our ancient ancestors lived by and ordered society) is long forgotten. I guess I might have actually been mildly defending the writer of the article from the label of "radical" or "fundamental" - maybe he's not... maybe he's just going with the roles that women and children have traditionally held and in many countries (not all of them Christian nor Islamic) around the world still hold - that of 'property'. I wasn't 'attacking' religion or the way the article writer perceives God.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 9:06:50 GMT -5
"will be in a near occasion of sin" I was also raised Roman Catholic and I have no idea WTF that even means. I am also sure that most orders require candidates to have a BA/BS, plus a certain amount of credits in religion and philosphy, before they can join the convent to be a nun. Clearly women can't control themselves and will be constantly tempted to have sex if they go to college. Kind of similar to how they will be constantly tempted to have sex if they don't go to college... In our area there was a woman that wanted to join a convent and they wouldn't take her unless she paid off her debts. I guess with the vow of poverty she wouldn't be earning enough to make the payments once she joined. They were soliciting contributions in the church bulletin to help pay off her debts. I am not sure how this squares with so many nuns being nurses and teachers, which all require degrees. Yes, "near occasion of sin" basically means hanging out with people who are bad influences and may tempt you to do something you shouldn't. As for needing to be debt-free to join a convent- this isn't surprising. In the old days I believe the order paid for nuns to get educations. I read a book years ago called "No turning back" by a couple of radical nuns who went up against the Vatican on some major issues and they said that at the time, a higher % of nuns than priests had advanced degrees. What they earn, though, goes to the order, and they need it badly. Nuns and priests were opted out of Social Security and it was always assumed that there would be plenty of younger nuns to take care of the older ones. Oops. A cousin of my mother's who was a nun actually got sent out to teach in the public school system for 10 years so she could qualify for Medicare. (Which is cheating, IMO.) So they're struggling for money and can't use what little funds they have paying off debts of new entrants. I also used to go to retreats at Holy Cross Monastery on the Hudson (wonderful place) and they mentioned in their newsletters that they were open to exploring monastic vo0catoions with men who were unmarried (widowed was OK) and "had no obligations".
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 15, 2013 9:14:22 GMT -5
Most people are aware of the information you have provided. The person in the article and the article is what is the topic of the thread. Not someone's impression of God. Just stick to the facts mam. (Bet you don't know where that quote came from!!!!) I'll give you .26 cents if you can tell me. I'm sorry. I wasn't going the religious route with my response. I was (poorly) attempting to point out that it is often a cultural/societal thing. Unfortunately, religion, use to play a huge part in cultural/societal set ups back into the past. That's OK. It's not a jab at religion. Unfortunately, some of the arrangement of culture/society hangs on due to it being 'tradition' or 'that's the way it's always been' even once the original reason for it (maybe some ancient religious teaching by which our ancient ancestors lived by and ordered society) is long forgotten. I guess I might have actually been mildly defending the writer of the article from the label of "radical" or "fundamental" - maybe he's not... maybe he's just going with the roles that women and children have traditionally held and in many countries (not all of them Christian nor Islamic) around the world still hold - that of 'property'. I wasn't 'attacking' religion or the way the article writer perceives God. Thank you! Having a conservative outlook and being a strong woman can go hand in hand. We are in times that women have to be able to care for themselves, if the need arises. Life is too unpredictable. In many many ways. We can have good relationships or marriages, but sprinkle in a bit of independence with it. It's all about balance and wisdom. Manly men who profess love for a woman are not afriad of a strong woman. They embrace what she can bring into the relationship and work together to create the whole picture. It's not about one being stronger and domineering. It's about team work to create a good environment for a family. I don't need to read the article. It's been done a million times. The gist of the thought process is a man thinks he should be in charge and his 'wife' needs to listen to his every word. The woman's part is to figure out when listening is appropriate and when she laughs in his face. Sweetly, of course. My views are my own. Just keep in mind it was my generation that broke down the barriers for yours to have more freedoms. It was not the intention of these freedoms to be misused, though. Freedom does not mean sleeping around or getting drunk every night. It means freedom of thought and ideas and respect for those things- among others. An eqaual partnership to create a peaceful environment.
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 15, 2013 10:09:01 GMT -5
Clearly women can't control themselves and will be constantly tempted to have sex if they go to college. Kind of similar to how they will be constantly tempted to have sex if they don't go to college... In our area there was a woman that wanted to join a convent and they wouldn't take her unless she paid off her debts. I guess with the vow of poverty she wouldn't be earning enough to make the payments once she joined. They were soliciting contributions in the church bulletin to help pay off her debts. I am not sure how this squares with so many nuns being nurses and teachers, which all require degrees. Yes, "near occasion of sin" basically means hanging out with people who are bad influences and may tempt you to do something you shouldn't. As for needing to be debt-free to join a convent- this isn't surprising. In the old days I believe the order paid for nuns to get educations. I read a book years ago called "No turning back" by a couple of radical nuns who went up against the Vatican on some major issues and they said that at the time, a higher % of nuns than priests had advanced degrees. What they earn, though, goes to the order, and they need it badly. Nuns and priests were opted out of Social Security and it was always assumed that there would be plenty of younger nuns to take care of the older ones. Oops. A cousin of my mother's who was a nun actually got sent out to teach in the public school system for 10 years so she could qualify for Medicare. (Which is cheating, IMO.) So they're struggling for money and can't use what little funds they have paying off debts of new entrants. I also used to go to retreats at Holy Cross Monastery on the Hudson (wonderful place) and they mentioned in their newsletters that they were open to exploring monastic vo0catoions with men who were unmarried (widowed was OK) and "had no obligations". There was a time when women could join a convent and the church (I'm not sure if it was the convent or maybe the catholic college they were affiliated with) would actually pay for the nun's coillege education. I think it was the early 90's when they stopped allowing anyone to join until after they had completed it. The one woman I spoke with had been a nun and she said they were getting a large percent of women joining and quitting right after they got their free college degree. I agree with the not wanting to to take on someone's debt. The one convent I knew a few nun's from said they also give "their life's wealth" to the convent. While it probably isn't a lot in most cases I don't think they would be willing to take on $27K worth of debt though. I would think the nun or priest working a secular job as a teacher or nurse and paying into medicare or SS is the same as a person who works only 10 years doing anything while not being a nun or priest. I actually know a few people who owned farms and did pretty well actually. They all made sure they had enough credits paid to SS and medicare that they qualify for both.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 15, 2013 10:22:51 GMT -5
That's just a good economic move. ^^^^^^^^
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 15, 2013 10:25:04 GMT -5
OMG I was so insulted by this drivel that I stopped reading half way though.
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Post by skubikky on Sept 16, 2013 8:22:18 GMT -5
My views are my own. Just keep in mind it was my generation that broke down the barriers for yours to have more freedoms. It was not the intention of these freedoms to be misused, though. Freedom does not mean sleeping around or getting drunk every night. It means freedom of thought and ideas and respect for those things- among others. And I'll refer back to the first line highlighted. These are YOUR views. Particularly your definition of freedom. And my dear, it wasn't your generation alone that broke down barriers. That has been an evolutionary process that began thousands of years ago. It is still developing simply because the human spirit seeks freedom. I respect that you hold your own personal opinions, that is your right as it is for each individual. But be aware that some of your statements might sound as ridiculous to others as the article did. You have not cornered the market on the "right" way to live any more so than anyone else. And each of us must walk our own path. The most effective witness for faith that I have observed is when one doesn't frame comments in adversarial fashion but provide their love and actions as a guide. Usually the most inspiring amongst us are those that say the least but do the most.
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