Just Another Day- Michelle O Hypes Drink More Water...

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2013 9:28:19 GMT -5 workpublic said:

another day for infamy

i think each year the pearl harbor "remembrance" gets a little smaller

Time and the deaths of those that lived through it will usually do that.

[mmhmm]

Sept 13, 2013 8:16:22 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 12, 2013 16:47:30 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'd never heard they did.  Thanks, Optimist.

ETA:  Reading the wiki article, they apparently use the generic black "banner" or "standard", which is used by any number of militant Islamic organizations.

OK, so now we're progressing down the usual path the arguments do on these forums.  We're at the "OK, well it turns out Paul was exactly right. BUT, it's not really the al-qaeda flag because it's used by any number of islamofascist groups" stage.  In other words- Paul is right, we can no longer deny it, so let's minimize and dilute the point.  However you have to deal with it, folks.  Do whatcha gotta do.

No.  Paul is dead wrong this time.  The flag is used by various groups and has been since loooong before 9/11, paul.  Do you know of any other countries that fly the American flag as their own?  How about the British flag?  You're wrong, paul.  Get used to be called on it when you're wrong, and get over the butt hurt.  The flag of which you speak is an Islamic banner/standard and can be flown by any Islamic organization that chooses to do so.  It's chosen by militant organizations because that was its origin. 

[Angel!]

Sept 13, 2013 8:19:13 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

Just like you were wrong about the water, right Paul?

LOL.  That is what I was thinking.  How can one claim to be right when the entire premise of the OP is faulty?

[Taxman10]

Sept 12, 2013 5:05:06 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Drinking more water causes weight loss. Something most of us, including Michelle, can aspire to.

Amazonians don't generally care about weight.

[Deleted]

Sept 12, 2013 22:24:27 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

The one in Tunis didn't exactly fly.  It just sorta hung there, tied to the top of a ladder that made itself convenient.

 When Internation Diplomacy degenerates into childish "capture the flag" games... that's enough.
 For some people.

 The Warrior-fetishist constant agitation for (pseudo)Christian Jihad against Islam... is perverse.

[zibazinski]

There are people who think mrs.obama looks fine, there are those that don't. Drinking water is a good thing as long as its not to excess. Putting coke in baby bottles is not a good thing. Water is.

[cereb]

Mrs. Obama looks just fine. The fact that people pick at her for her weight, or the healthy initiatives she speaks on just goes to show how small their world is and how petty and ridiculous they have become.

[mmhmm]

Sept 15, 2013 16:40:58 GMT -5 cereb said:

Mrs. Obama looks just fine. The fact that people pick at her for her weight, or the healthy initiatives she speaks on just goes to show how small their world is and how petty and ridiculous they have become.

Thing is, Mrs. Obama isn't fat.  The woman is nearly 6' tall (5' 11", give or take a quarter inch), and has a large bone structure.  She'd not be healthy, nor would she look healthy as "skinny Minnie".   Looking at her, I'd be willing to bet she's in excellent physical shape.

[Deleted]

I have never looked at her and thought she was fat.  I think she is a very beautiful woman that looks like she takes good care of herself.

[zibazinski]

She does look larger than the average woman but then again, she is. Still, she dresses nicely and is always well groomed.

[happyscooter]

On the morning of 9-11-2001, at 8:45 I had JUST turned off the TV and went outside to work in the yard.  When I came in about 2 hours later to get something to drink, I sat down at the computer and saw the picture of the plane going into the WTC.  Then I turned on the TV.  The anchors were already saying that we were 'under attack'.  I could not for the life of me understand how they had already come to this conclusion.  Even now watching the specials and documentaries, you can hear people say 'oh this is deliberate' or 'this is an act of terrorism'.  And it was just people on the street saying this.  Not government officials. 

I am sure that we have people in this country who cheered when it happened.  But we can't forget all of those people who lost their lives that day just because they were on a plane, going on vacation or going to a funeral or a business meeting.  And how many of those were parents that had their child with them and knew the plane was going fast and the pilot was stabbed/dead and all they could do was sit there and hold their child and pray that the end was fast?

[zibazinski]

Amen. Those that cheered should no longer be in this country. I had a student, a Muslim, one who by virtue of being from a very large family, was also on aid because of that large family, and wore a shirt to school celebrating the twin towers coming down. I went to my principal and told her. Amazingly, she actually did something about it and that shirt wasn't worn to school again. You have the nerve to be in this country and on charity and still applaud your Muslim terrorists. The whole family should have been shipped back ASAP but that isn't how this country works. I want to live in a country that protects its borders and its citizens.

[Deleted]

Sept 21, 2013 7:17:34 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Amen. Those that cheered should no longer be in this country. I had a student, a Muslim, one who by virtue of being from a very large family, was also on aid because of that large family, and wore a shirt to school celebrating the twin towers coming down. I went to my principal and told her. Amazingly, she actually did something about it and that shirt wasn't worn to school again. You have the nerve to be in this country and on charity and still applaud your Muslim terrorists. The whole family should have been shipped back ASAP but that isn't how this country works. I want to live in a country that protects its borders and its citizens.

Just not the Muslim citizens, right?

[zibazinski]

Anyone who stands by quietly while the country that they are seeking shelter in because their own country is in chaos should support that country. Those that sit by quietly and say nothing are guilty by their silence.

[cereb]

Sept 21, 2013 7:17:34 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Amen. Those that cheered should no longer be in this country. I had a student, a Muslim, one who by virtue of being from a very large family, was also on aid because of that large family, and wore a shirt to school celebrating the twin towers coming down. I went to my principal and told her. Amazingly, she actually did something about it and that shirt wasn't worn to school again. You have the nerve to be in this country and on charity and still applaud your Muslim terrorists. The whole family should have been shipped back ASAP but that isn't how this country works. I want to live in a country that protects its borders and its citizens.

Two days following the attacks, on the Christian television program The 700 Club, television evangelist Jerry Falwell called the event a punishment from God and laid the blame on "paganists", "abortionists", "feminists" and "gays and lesbians", claiming that they "helped this happen". Host Pat Robertson concurred with the statements. Both evangelists came under attack from President George W. Bush for their statements,[6] Falwell subsequently apologized.[7][8]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks

[cereb]

Sept 21, 2013 8:15:26 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Anyone who stands by quietly while the country that they are seeking shelter in because their own country is in chaos should support that country. Those that sit by quietly and say nothing are guilty by their silence.

Bullshit.


I had a friend who was from the Middle East and wore a Hijab. A couple of days after the towers came down and more was known about the people responsible, her boss informed her that if she wanted to keep her job, she needed to wear a baseball cap instead of the Hijab. It didn't matter that she was as devastated as anyone else on American soil over the events of 9/11 and in fact, had a close friend who worked in the Towers and was missing. The men that beat the shit out of her a week later didn't care that she denounced the acts of terror either.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 21, 2013 23:01:20 GMT -5 cereb said:

Sept 21, 2013 8:15:26 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Anyone who stands by quietly while the country that they are seeking shelter in because their own country is in chaos should support that country. Those that sit by quietly and say nothing are guilty by their silence.

Bullshit.


I had a friend who was from the Middle East and wore a Hijab. A couple of days after the towers came down and more was known about the people responsible, her boss informed her that if she wanted to keep her job, she needed to wear a baseball cap instead of the Hijab. It didn't matter that she was as devastated as anyone else on American soil over the events of 9/11 and in fact, had a close friend who worked in the Towers and was missing. The men that beat the shit out of her a week later didn't care that she denounced the acts of terror either.

(shudder)

[Otto the Orange]

Sept 21, 2013 22:52:06 GMT -5 cereb said:

Sept 21, 2013 7:17:34 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Amen. Those that cheered should no longer be in this country. I had a student, a Muslim, one who by virtue of being from a very large family, was also on aid because of that large family, and wore a shirt to school celebrating the twin towers coming down. I went to my principal and told her. Amazingly, she actually did something about it and that shirt wasn't worn to school again. You have the nerve to be in this country and on charity and still applaud your Muslim terrorists. The whole family should have been shipped back ASAP but that isn't how this country works. I want to live in a country that protects its borders and its citizens.

Two days following the attacks, on the Christian television program The 700 Club, television evangelist Jerry Falwell called the event a punishment from God and laid the blame on "paganists", "abortionists", "feminists" and "gays and lesbians", claiming that they "helped this happen". Host Pat Robertson concurred with the statements. Both evangelists came under attack from President George W. Bush for their statements,[6] Falwell subsequently apologized.[7][8]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks

I'm not sure what your point is by quoting the above poster AND saying what you are saying

Saying what you are saying here seems to support the poster you quoted?

[Otto the Orange]

Sept 21, 2013 23:01:20 GMT -5 cereb said:

Sept 21, 2013 8:15:26 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Anyone who stands by quietly while the country that they are seeking shelter in because their own country is in chaos should support that country. Those that sit by quietly and say nothing are guilty by their silence.

Bullshit.


I had a friend who was from the Middle East and wore a Hijab. A couple of days after the towers came down and more was known about the people responsible, her boss informed her that if she wanted to keep her job, she needed to wear a baseball cap instead of the Hijab. It didn't matter that she was as devastated as anyone else on American soil over the events of 9/11 and in fact, had a close friend who worked in the Towers and was missing. The men that beat the shit out of her a week later didn't care that she denounced the acts of terror either.

While I wouldn't go so far as say the muslims that were silent were "guilty" or should be deported or whatever, I will say that it is troubling

I am sorry to hear about your friend, that was wrong.  But unfortunately, anecdotal evidence doesn't prove a point.  Just like people who say "the economy must be improving, there was a line out the door at my favorite breakfast spot and usually its quite there" - that doesn't mean the economy is actually improving

The fact is, violence against muslims after the attacks was very low. Its horrid that we had any violence at all, but it was very low.

[mmhmm]

Sept 21, 2013 23:01:20 GMT -5 cereb said:

Sept 21, 2013 8:15:26 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Anyone who stands by quietly while the country that they are seeking shelter in because their own country is in chaos should support that country. Those that sit by quietly and say nothing are guilty by their silence.

Bullshit.


I had a friend who was from the Middle East and wore a Hijab. A couple of days after the towers came down and more was known about the people responsible, her boss informed her that if she wanted to keep her job, she needed to wear a baseball cap instead of the Hijab. It didn't matter that she was as devastated as anyone else on American soil over the events of 9/11 and in fact, had a close friend who worked in the Towers and was missing. The men that beat the shit out of her a week later didn't care that she denounced the acts of terror either.

Cereb, I'm really sorry about your friend.  I do hope she has recovered, and that she understands (as my Muslim friends try to do) we aren't all like those who hurt her.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 22, 2013 6:03:19 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

Sept 21, 2013 23:01:20 GMT -5 cereb said:

Bullshit.


I had a friend who was from the Middle East and wore a Hijab. A couple of days after the towers came down and more was known about the people responsible, her boss informed her that if she wanted to keep her job, she needed to wear a baseball cap instead of the Hijab. It didn't matter that she was as devastated as anyone else on American soil over the events of 9/11 and in fact, had a close friend who worked in the Towers and was missing. The men that beat the shit out of her a week later didn't care that she denounced the acts of terror either.

While I wouldn't go so far as say the muslims that were silent were "guilty" or should be deported or whatever, I will say that it is troubling

I am sorry to hear about your friend, that was wrong.  But unfortunately, anecdotal evidence doesn't prove a point.  Just like people who say "the economy must be improving, there was a line out the door at my favorite breakfast spot and usually its quite there" - that doesn't mean the economy is actually improving

The fact is, violence against muslims after the attacks was very low. Its horrid that we had any violence at all, but it was very low.

One act of violence againt one  ìnnocent Muslim was one too many.  There were also acts of violence commited against non-Muslims by idiots who could not tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim.  Anecdotal?  Yes.  Ignorance and bigotry at its finest.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 22, 2013 6:03:19 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

Sept 21, 2013 23:01:20 GMT -5 cereb said:

Bullshit.


I had a friend who was from the Middle East and wore a Hijab. A couple of days after the towers came down and more was known about the people responsible, her boss informed her that if she wanted to keep her job, she needed to wear a baseball cap instead of the Hijab. It didn't matter that she was as devastated as anyone else on American soil over the events of 9/11 and in fact, had a close friend who worked in the Towers and was missing. The men that beat the shit out of her a week later didn't care that she denounced the acts of terror either.

While I wouldn't go so far as say the muslims that were silent were "guilty" or should be deported or whatever, I will say that it is troubling

it is also troubling that millions upon millions of Americans remained silent while Muslims were (and continue to be) compared to fascists.  which did the greater harm?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 21, 2013 7:37:32 GMT -5 oped said:

Sept 21, 2013 7:17:34 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Amen. Those that cheered should no longer be in this country. I had a student, a Muslim, one who by virtue of being from a very large family, was also on aid because of that large family, and wore a shirt to school celebrating the twin towers coming down. I went to my principal and told her. Amazingly, she actually did something about it and that shirt wasn't worn to school again. You have the nerve to be in this country and on charity and still applaud your Muslim terrorists. The whole family should have been shipped back ASAP but that isn't how this country works. I want to live in a country that protects its borders and its citizens.

Just not the Muslim citizens, right?

I don't believe we were talking about citizens.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 22, 2013 6:03:19 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

Sept 21, 2013 23:01:20 GMT -5 cereb said:

Bullshit.


I had a friend who was from the Middle East and wore a Hijab. A couple of days after the towers came down and more was known about the people responsible, her boss informed her that if she wanted to keep her job, she needed to wear a baseball cap instead of the Hijab. It didn't matter that she was as devastated as anyone else on American soil over the events of 9/11 and in fact, had a close friend who worked in the Towers and was missing. The men that beat the shit out of her a week later didn't care that she denounced the acts of terror either.

While I wouldn't go so far as say the muslims that were silent were "guilty" or should be deported or whatever, I will say that it is troubling

I am sorry to hear about your friend, that was wrong.  But unfortunately, anecdotal evidence doesn't prove a point.  Just like people who say "the economy must be improving, there was a line out the door at my favorite breakfast spot and usually its quite there" - that doesn't mean the economy is actually improving

The fact is, violence against muslims after the attacks was very low. Its horrid that we had any violence at all, but it was very low.

President Bush's leadership after the attacks was nothing short of miraculous in this regard.  He made a lot of mistakes, but his message to Muslims and to Americans concerning our Muslim neighbors did went a long way in keeping the peace.  Certainly he did a better job than FDR did protecting Japanese citizens.  If you really want to see minorities threatened- it takes a Democrat.  And not just FDR, you could also go back to Wilson who segregated the military. Oh, you didn't know they weren't segregated prior to Wilson? Learn your history.

[Tennesseer]

A 'Like' from zibazinski for WCP's reply #89 but no "Why is this old story being resurrected?"      

[mmhmm]

Jan 8, 2014 10:05:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 22, 2013 6:03:19 GMT -5 Otto the Orange said:

While I wouldn't go so far as say the muslims that were silent were "guilty" or should be deported or whatever, I will say that it is troubling

I am sorry to hear about your friend, that was wrong.  But unfortunately, anecdotal evidence doesn't prove a point.  Just like people who say "the economy must be improving, there was a line out the door at my favorite breakfast spot and usually its quite there" - that doesn't mean the economy is actually improving

The fact is, violence against muslims after the attacks was very low. Its horrid that we had any violence at all, but it was very low.

President Bush's leadership after the attacks was nothing short of miraculous in this regard.  He made a lot of mistakes, but his message to Muslims and to Americans concerning our Muslim neighbors did went a long way in keeping the peace.  Certainly he did a better job than FDR did protecting Japanese citizens.  If you really want to see minorities threatened- it takes a Democrat.  And not just FDR, you could also go back to Wilson who segregated the military. Oh, you didn't know they weren't segregated prior to Wilson? Learn your history.

Yeah, I knew, paul.  I also  know it was President Truman's executive order that desegregated the military.  President Truman was <gasp> a Democrat.