Just Another Day- Michelle O Hypes Drink More Water...

[mmhmm]

I'd never heard they did.  Thanks, Optimist.

ETA:  Reading the wiki article, they apparently use the generic black "banner" or "standard", which is used by any number of militant Islamic organizations.

[Tennesseer]

Okay.  The US. embassy was vacated before the attack.  According to the NY Times:

The mobs were set off by Egyptian media reports about a 14-minute trailer for the video, called “Innocence of Muslims,” that was released on the Web. The trailer opens with scenes of Egyptian security forces standing idle as Muslims pillage and burn the homes of Egyptian Christians. Then it cuts to cartoonish scenes depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a child of uncertain parentage, a buffoon, a womanizer, a homosexual, a child molester and a greedy, bloodthirsty thug.

The trailer was uploaded to YouTube by Sam Bacile, whom The Wall Street Journal Web site identified as a 52-year old Israeli-American real estate developer in California. He told the Web site he had raised $5 million from 100 Jewish donors to make the film. “Islam is a cancer,” Mr. Bacile was quoted as saying.

The video gained international attention when a Florida pastor began promoting it along with his own proclamation of Sept. 11 as “International Judge Muhammad Day.”

In a statement on Tuesday, the pastor, Terry Jones of Gainesville, Fla., called the film “an American production, not designed to attack Muslims but to show the destructive ideology of Islam” and said it “further reveals in a satirical fashion the life of Muhammad.”

He said the embassy and consulate attacks illustrated that Muslims “have no tolerance for anything outside of Muhammad” and called Islam “a total deception.”

Mr. Jones inspired deadly riots in Afghanistan in 2010 and 2011 by first threatening to burn copies of the Koran and then burning one in his church. He also once reportedly hanged President Obama in effigy.

Anger Over a Film Fuels Anti-American Attacks in Libya and Egypt (and apparently Tunisia too)

This Terry Jones guy was arrested yesterday in Florida after he was stopped by police and they discovered he was carrying 2,998 kerosene-soaked copies of the Koran which he planned on burning in a public park.

Pastor Terry Jones arrested with thousands of kerosene-soaked Qurans, deputies say


Florida.  Again.

[Opti]

Terry Jones. Again.

Nothing like preaching tolerance while burning books.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

[q-uote a uthor="Tennesseer" source="/post/1718411/thread" timestamp="1379019584"]I am curious what PBP can tell us all about this comment of his.  I wasn't aware the White House had a welcoming ceremony for Al Qaeda:

and the one year anniversary of the Al Qaeda flag being raised over U.S. soil for the first time during her husband's first term in an incident that has yet to be satisfactorily explained,

[/quote]


Since you appear to be ignorant I will fill you in: A US consulate like the US consulate in Benghazi Libya is American soil. We were attacked by terrorists linked to al-qaeda and the American flag was taken down the Al-qaedaflag was raised

[Opti]

and the one year anniversary of the Al Qaeda flag being raised over U.S. soil for the first time during her husband's first term in an incident that has yet to be satisfactorily explained

PBP, per the snippet of the run on sentence, you have now in my opinion satisfactorily
explained how the flag was raised at the consulate.

That is one bad run-on sentence.

[mmhmm]

Sept 12, 2013 18:09:33 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

[q-uote a uthor="Tennesseer" source="/post/1718411/thread" timestamp="1379019584"]I am curious what PBP can tell us all about this comment of his.  I wasn't aware the White House had a welcoming ceremony for Al Qaeda:

and the one year anniversary of the Al Qaeda flag being raised over U.S. soil for the first time during her husband's first term in an incident that has yet to be satisfactorily explained,

Since you appear to be ignorant I will fill you in: A US consulate like the US consulate in Benghazi Libya is American soil. We were attacked by terrorists linked to al-qaeda and the American flag was taken down the Al-qaedaflag was raised

[/quote]
Where did this happen, and when, paul?  Also, how was the flag raised?  Was it raised in place of the American flag?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2013 18:09:33 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

[q-uoter="Tennesseer" source="/post/1718411/thread" timestamp="1379019584"]I am curious what PBP can tell us all about this comment of his.  I wasn't aware the White House hada welcoming ceremony for Al Qaeda:

and the one year anniversary of the Al Qaeda flag being raised over U.S. soil for the first time during her husband's first term in an incident that has yet to be satisfactorily explained,

Paul said:  Since you appear to be ignorant I will fill you in: A US consulate like the US consulate in Benghazi Libya is American soil. We were attacked by terrorists linked to al-qaeda and the American flag was taken down the Al-qaedaflag was raised

LOL.   Ì must be ìgnorant (and blind too) Paul.  How the hell did Ì miss your direct reference and the word Benghazi ìn your initial post about the Al Qaeda flag.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 12, 2013 19:27:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2013 18:09:33 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

[q-uoter="Tennesseer" source="/post/1718411/thread" timestamp="1379019584"]I am curious what PBP can tell us all about this comment of his.  I wasn't aware the White House hada welcoming ceremony for Al Qaeda:

Paul said:  Since you appear to be ignorant I will fill you in: A US consulate like the US consulate in Benghazi Libya is American soil. We were attacked by terrorists linked to al-qaeda and the American flag was taken down the Al-qaedaflag was raised

LOL.   Ì must be ìgnorant (and blind too) Paul.  How the hell did Ì miss your direct reference and the word Benghazi ìn your initial post about the Al Qaeda flag.

I said that the al-qaeda flag was flown over US Soil, and I figured you wouldn't think I meant Fort Hood, TX; or Boston, MA.  I figured that just about anyone would have to think about that for a minute and figure it out- and that was the point of posting it.  

I provided plenty of clues, too- the date, an 'incident' having a lack of a satisfactory explanation.  I mean, wow.  Are you that out of touch?

[mmhmm]

Sept 12, 2013 19:40:25 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 12, 2013 19:27:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

LOL.   Ì must be ìgnorant (and blind too) Paul.  How the hell did Ì miss your direct reference and the word Benghazi ìn your initial post about the Al Qaeda flag.

I said that the al-qaeda flag was flown over US Soil, and I figured you wouldn't think I meant Fort Hood, TX; or Boston, MA.  I figured that just about anyone would have to think about that for a minute and figure it out- and that was the point of posting it.  

I provided plenty of clues, too- the date, an 'incident' having a lack of a satisfactory explanation.  I mean, wow.  Are you that out of touch?

Where was the "Al Qaeda flag" flown over US soil, paul?  (Oh, and I didn't have to think about it for even a moment)


DAMN!  Will somebody take the bug spray to these darned crickets?!?

[djAdvocate]

Sept 12, 2013 17:21:05 GMT -5 Opti said:

Terry Jones. Again.

Nothing like preaching tolerance while burning books.

yep: doing good work for AQ, he is.

[mmhmm]

The "Al Qaeda flag" was never flown over us soil in Benghazi.  It was attempted, but it didn't happen.

*I imagine that's what them crickets is screechin' about.

[Tennesseer]

I even provided hints to paul in reply #32.  I guess Paul confused Tunis with Benghazi.  They do sound alike.

[mmhmm]

The one in Tunis didn't exactly fly.  It just sorta hung there, tied to the top of a ladder that made itself convenient.

[EVT1]

Sept 12, 2013 17:11:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Okay.  The US. embassy was vacated before the attack.  According to the NY Times:

The mobs were set off by Egyptian media reports about a 14-minute trailer for the video, called “Innocence of Muslims,” that was released on the Web. The trailer opens with scenes of Egyptian security forces standing idle as Muslims pillage and burn the homes of Egyptian Christians. Then it cuts to cartoonish scenes depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a child of uncertain parentage, a buffoon, a womanizer, a homosexual, a child molester and a greedy, bloodthirsty thug.

The trailer was uploaded to YouTube by Sam Bacile, whom The Wall Street Journal Web site identified as a 52-year old Israeli-American real estate developer in California. He told the Web site he had raised $5 million from 100 Jewish donors to make the film. “Islam is a cancer,” Mr. Bacile was quoted as saying.

The video gained international attention when a Florida pastor began promoting it along with his own proclamation of Sept. 11 as “International Judge Muhammad Day.”

In a statement on Tuesday, the pastor, Terry Jones of Gainesville, Fla., called the film “an American production, not designed to attack Muslims but to show the destructive ideology of Islam” and said it “further reveals in a satirical fashion the life of Muhammad.”

He said the embassy and consulate attacks illustrated that Muslims “have no tolerance for anything outside of Muhammad” and called Islam “a total deception.”

Mr. Jones inspired deadly riots in Afghanistan in 2010 and 2011 by first threatening to burn copies of the Koran and then burning one in his church. He also once reportedly hanged President Obama in effigy.

Anger Over a Film Fuels Anti-American Attacks in Libya and Egypt (and apparently Tunisia too)

This Terry Jones guy was arrested yesterday in Florida after he was stopped by police and they discovered he was carrying 2,998 kerosene-soaked copies of the Koran which he planned on burning in a public park.

Pastor Terry Jones arrested with thousands of kerosene-soaked Qurans, deputies say


Florida.  Again.

I didn't bring up FL this time

For thought though- what if some Imam got pulled over with 2998 kerosene soaked Bibles?  Can you imagine the outrage?

I am thinking Guantanamo Bay and a terrorist label.

[Otto the Orange]

so I guess WCP has given up on the water argument, I see no rebuttal from him........and now we are on to arguing about flags and ignorance......

[Value Buy]

Sept 13, 2013 5:37:15 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Making the whole day about 9-11 means the terrorists win.

Please my fellow Americans, go shopping.

Deminmaine: Once again you use a statement that was never as if it was fact.

Bush never called for American's to shop but, to go on with the normalcy of life.

CME- Did I ever claim I was quoting President Bush?

No you did not, but you are doing exactly what pbp did with the flag raising, where he has been dragged over the hot coals  by all the usual suspects.
Nary a word from your comrades on this transgression of yours

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2013 17:11:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Okay.  The US. embassy was vacated before the attack.  According to the NY Times:

The mobs were set off by Egyptian media reports about a 14-minute trailer for the video, called “Innocence of Muslims,” that was released on the Web. The trailer opens with scenes of Egyptian security forces standing idle as Muslims pillage and burn the homes of Egyptian Christians. Then it cuts to cartoonish scenes depicting the Prophet Muhammad as a child of uncertain parentage, a buffoon, a womanizer, a homosexual, a child molester and a greedy, bloodthirsty thug.

The trailer was uploaded to YouTube by Sam Bacile, whom The Wall Street Journal Web site identified as a 52-year old Israeli-American real estate developer in California. He told the Web site he had raised $5 million from 100 Jewish donors to make the film. “Islam is a cancer,” Mr. Bacile was quoted as saying.

The video gained international attention when a Florida pastor began promoting it along with his own proclamation of Sept. 11 as “International Judge Muhammad Day.”

In a statement on Tuesday, the pastor, Terry Jones of Gainesville, Fla., called the film “an American production, not designed to attack Muslims but to show the destructive ideology of Islam” and said it “further reveals in a satirical fashion the life of Muhammad.”

He said the embassy and consulate attacks illustrated that Muslims “have no tolerance for anything outside of Muhammad” and called Islam “a total deception.”

Mr. Jones inspired deadly riots in Afghanistan in 2010 and 2011 by first threatening to burn copies of the Koran and then burning one in his church. He also once reportedly hanged President Obama in effigy.

Anger Over a Film Fuels Anti-American Attacks in Libya and Egypt (and apparently Tunisia too)

This Terry Jones guy was arrested yesterday in Florida after he was stopped by police and they discovered he was carrying 2,998 kerosene-soaked copies of the Koran which he planned on burning in a public park.

Pastor Terry Jones arrested with thousands of kerosene-soaked Qurans, deputies say


Florida.  Again.

Yep, arrested. See the charges he received?
Unlawful transportation of a fuel and a bad light.
Granted he's a home grown terrorist, but not arrested for the intent of his actions, just for breaking a regular law.
Now if we did this to Arabs (or Muslims, since we are chasing Christiians here) we would accuse the police of targeting a specific group.........but since he is only a white American, it's all ok.

Now, I agree he's an idiot and deserves being "semi" targeted just because he deserves it, but pot, meet kettle.
From the article I could not tell whether he was stopped for a bad light, so, in all honesty, I cannot state for a fact he was targeted, but the kerosene smell is no worse than the blacktop sealer/pavers running rampant right now with tail lights burned out who are never pulled over.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2013 18:39:53 GMT -5 Opti said:

and the one year anniversary of the Al Qaeda flag being raised over U.S. soil for the first time during her husband's first term in an incident that has yet to be satisfactorily explained

PBP, per the snippet of the run on sentence, you have now in my opinion satisfactorily
explained how the flag was raised at the consulate.

That is one bad run-on sentence.

Woman, if that is the best you got.............................................

Back to EE for you!

[Value Buy]

Sept 13, 2013 7:41:54 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Sept 13, 2013 6:52:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

No you did not, but you are doing exactly what pbp did with the flag raising, where he has been dragged over the hot coals  by all the usual suspects.
Nary a word from your comrades on this transgression of yours

TBO- I knew people would make the inference to the history of the phrase.  However, I meant it as a light way to support the position that we shouldn't just sit back and do nothing on the anniversery, that's all.  To do so would be unproductive and make no sense.  (for most of us; those who suffered a personal loss I do not speak for!)

I guarantee you that every one of us thinks about that day, and not just on the anniversary.  Certainly as the anniversary comes around we remember exactly what we were doing, who we were with and how we found out.  We remember those who were victims and those who responded, many of whom lost their lives.  We remember, if it's possible, a further loss of innocence.  We all grieve in our own ways. However most of us really do not just sit in a Chapel and meditate all day on that or any other day.

We were watching msnbc and Joe in the morning.
At 8 am local time when Joe ended, MSNBC went to a "living history video" which was the actual news reporting of that fateful day.
I asked my wife, "do we have to watch this again? This is just too depressing."

I do not think that made me a bad person, but I did feel guilty for having said that.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2013 6:52:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 13, 2013 5:37:15 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

CME- Did I ever claim I was quoting President Bush?

No you did not, but you are doing exactly what pbp did with the flag raising, where he has been dragged over the hot coals  by all the usual suspects.
Nary a word from your comrades on this transgression of yours

Pbp should be dragged over the hot coals by the 'usual subjects'.  Too often, pbp is so damn cocksure he's right about something and tells others they are ignorant when it turns out pbp is wrong (in this thread, he had the wrong city and country (the Al Qaeda flag was 'raised' over the U.S. embassy in Tunis, Tunisia and not the American consolate in Benghazi, Libya)).

And for what it is worth, the 'usual suspect' comes to pbp's defense even when pbp posts "ignorant" facts.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2013 23:32:49 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Sept 12, 2013 17:11:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Okay.  The US. embassy was vacated before the attack.  According to the NY Times:

This Terry Jones guy was arrested yesterday in Florida after he was stopped by police and they discovered he was carrying 2,998 kerosene-soaked copies of the Koran which he planned on burning in a public park.

Pastor Terry Jones arrested with thousands of kerosene-soaked Qurans, deputies say


Florida.  Again.

I didn't bring up FL this time

For thought though- what if some Imam got pulled over with 2998 kerosene soaked Bibles?  Can you imagine the outrage?

I am thinking Guantanamo Bay and a terrorist label.

Insert American atheist for Iman and you would get the same response.

[Opti]

Woman, if that is the best you got.............................................

Back to EE for you!

Pfft. Not trying to impress on all my posts.
Plus you missed I'm the only one who asked if Dem's was a Bush reference
AND *I* don't try to make political points with a silly assertion that the boardwalk
should have been made with fireproof materials. Really, what fireproof material is
a good choice for a landscape that shifts on a regular basis? There's a reason wood
is still the best material for most shore buildings.

[Opti]

Woman, if that is the best you got.............................................

Back to EE for you!

Pfft. Not trying to impress on all my posts.
Plus you missed I'm the only one who asked if Dem's was a Bush reference
AND *I* don't try to make political points with a silly assertion that the boardwalk
should have been made with fireproof materials. Really, what fireproof material is
a good choice for a landscape that shifts on a regular basis? There's a reason wood
is still the best material for most shore buildings.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 12, 2013 16:47:30 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'd never heard they did.  Thanks, Optimist.

ETA:  Reading the wiki article, they apparently use the generic black "banner" or "standard", which is used by any number of militant Islamic organizations.

OK, so now we're progressing down the usual path the arguments do on these forums.  We're at the "OK, well it turns out Paul was exactly right. BUT, it's not really the al-qaeda flag because it's used by any number of islamofascist groups" stage.  In other words- Paul is right, we can no longer deny it, so let's minimize and dilute the point.  However you have to deal with it, folks.  Do whatcha gotta do.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 13, 2013 7:59:30 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 13, 2013 6:52:38 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

No you did not, but you are doing exactly what pbp did with the flag raising, where he has been dragged over the hot coals  by all the usual suspects.
Nary a word from your comrades on this transgression of yours

Pbp should be dragged over the hot coals by the 'usual subjects'.  Too often, pbp is so damn cocksure he's right about something and tells others they are ignorant when it turns out pbp is wrong (in this thread, he had the wrong city and country (the Al Qaeda flag was 'raised' over the U.S. embassy in Tunis, Tunisia and not the American consolate in Benghazi, Libya)).

And for what it is worth, the 'usual suspect' comes to pbp's defense even when pbp posts "ignorant" facts.

Those are "in addition to" incidents- and while we're on that topic, you can add Egyptian embassies, too.

[Otto the Orange]

Just like you were wrong about the water, right Paul?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Sept 13, 2013 8:06:25 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

We were watching msnbc and Joe in the morning.
At 8 am local time when Joe ended, MSNBC went to a "living history video" which was the actual news reporting of that fateful day.
I asked my wife, "do we have to watch this again? This is just too depressing."

I do not think that made me a bad person, but I did feel guilty for having said that.

Yeah, I understand what you are saying, both not wanting to repeat, and feeling guilty.  It still gets me too, most all of us I would guess.  I remember when I see a jet coming in toward the airport too.

In fact, I did not want to visit Ground Zero afterwards, for many years.  I had a BiL who went and extolled the powerful experience, but I was afraid that I would just be filled with too much anger and rage if I actually walked the ground.  I had more than enough of that as it was.  I would visit now these years later if I was visiting NYC, but for many years I felt averse to it.

As long as it can be translated into resolve- there's nothing wrong with a little anger and rage.  I frankly think more Americans could do with being angered and enraged about a good number of things- but especially about how islamists around the world are treating westerners.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 13, 2013 8:17:48 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Sept 13, 2013 7:59:30 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Pbp should be dragged over the hot coals by the 'usual subjects'.  Too often, pbp is so damn cocksure he's right about something and tells others they are ignorant when it turns out pbp is wrong (in this thread, he had the wrong city and country (the Al Qaeda flag was 'raised' over the U.S. embassy in Tunis, Tunisia and not the American consolate in Benghazi, Libya)).

And for what it is worth, the 'usual suspect' comes to pbp's defense even when pbp posts "ignorant" facts.

Those are "in addition to" incidents- and while we're on that topic, you can add Egyptian embassies, too.

paul-your answer was "ìgnorant".  No Al Qaeda flag flew over the American consulate ìn Benghazi you so boldly claimed for all to see.  Those are the facts.

[Opti]

Rage and anger just hurt your health if you have no productive outlet for it.
For me, remembering 9/11 brings sadness more than anything else and I don't
feel it improves me or my world remembering some of the horrible things from that
day including watching people choose to jump to their deaths instead of wait to be burned to death.


For some people, it is just a day. I think for those of us who lived closer and/or had someone personally involved it reminds you of the day and many many days of the aftermath. Things were so disrupted, on the radio they started begging people not to come down to ground zero. In the early days there was great hope of finding people and at the end it became tedious unending work more focused on cleanup and possible bone fragments. While there are some great stories of courage and selflessness for me they were over-whelmed by the huge number of church services around me in NJ. I was blessed in that I knew no one personally who died, but found out I knew quite a few people who had worked in the Towers in the past and was confronted by the sheer number of humans who had perished who used to live near me.

[workpublic]

another day for infamy

i think each year the pearl harbor "remembrance" gets a little smaller