The Oregon Bakery part lll

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2013 10:23:14 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

Well I for one don't expect to change anyone's mind with my (considerable) opinions. I engage in these threads because I like to understand how other people think and feel - even if I don't agree with them.

bingo.  i think this is the BEST reason to be in a discussion group.

edit: i will add this for all of you other posters to ponder.  when you simply lay down platitudes and abandon them, you are depriving those of us that REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND YOU the opportunity to do so.  you might think about that before you simply abandon your argument as "unwinnable".

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2013 10:52:57 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I was thinking about this last night (I need a life! lol).  The couple were apparently fairly regular customers of the bakers. 

I think where the bakers went wrong is they went with personal reasons rather than business and assumed since the couple were such good regular customers they'd understand.  That backfired on them.

If they had been thinking from a business perspective the smart thing would have been to go ahead and turn down the business but don't word it in a way that can get you sued.

What I can say to people in my personal life is quite different from what I can say in my professional life.  I have to watch my words carefully so I don't end up getting myself canned.   I can still stand for my "principals" if I desire but I'd also really like to keep my job so I do a political dance I wouldn't be if I was talking to DH, a friend or even on here.

this is precisely it.  but Virgil seems to think not telling them that you are "not going to make a queerbo wedding cake" is somehow lying.  in my world, it is called BEING DIPLOMATIC.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

queerbo wedding cake



Never heard it put that way before.

in my world, it is called BEING DIPLOMATIC

Exactly.  It was finding out the customers were regulars that got me thinking.  I may be wrong but I doubt if a random gay couple came in looking for a wedding cake they'd say what they did, they's just turn them away from the store. 


They thought they had a personal relationship with this couple that afforded them the ability to say exactly what was on their minds.  And it royally backfired in their face.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 5, 2013 10:33:56 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Sept 5, 2013 10:00:00 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

Hey now! he could be a 13 year old trapped in a slightly older body like the rest of us, yanno.... 

I just don't get the humour. I've heard variations on that particular pun well over a hundred times. Maybe it's still new and exciting for Gen X-ers and older. I don't know.

Two words:  Lake Titicaca.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2013 10:33:56 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Sept 5, 2013 10:00:00 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

Hey now! he could be a 13 year old trapped in a slightly older body like the rest of us, yanno.... 

I just don't get the humour. I've heard variations on that particular pun well over a hundred times. Maybe it's still new and exciting for Gen X-ers and older. I don't know.

you only got half the joke- if that.  the remainder is 100% relevant to this thread.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2013 11:02:52 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

queerbo wedding cake



Never heard it put that way before.

that is because i just made it up!

in my world, it is called BEING DIPLOMATIC

Exactly.  It was finding out the customers were regulars that got me thinking.  I may be wrong but I doubt if a random gay couple came in looking for a wedding cake they'd say what they did, they's just turn them away from the store. 


They thought they had a personal relationship with this couple that afforded them the ability to say exactly what was on their minds.  And it royally backfired in their face.

i had a wonderful friendship end because i was blunt.  i have regretted it for 30 years.

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cock dance

[Tennesseer]

Sept 5, 2013 10:27:04 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Living with the consequences may include a loss of business but it certainly should include death threats and other threats of harm or violence.

My goodness!  Imagine that-only conservative or religious folks get anonymous death threats!


You really need to stop reading only WorldNutDaily and Breitbart for your news.  The world is bigger than your little cocoon.

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THEIRS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS!!! 

[Virgil Showlion]

Sept 5, 2013 10:49:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 5, 2013 9:42:33 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Since you're not 10 and your IQ is over 80, you're not likely to find it funny.

if you thought that was all that made this joke funny, then you must fall into one of those categories.

You no doubt thought it was subversive.

Why not bite the bullet, start up your own website with gay jokes about Dan Cathy and Pat Robertson? There certainly aren't enough of those already.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

i had a wonderful friendship end because i was blunt. i have regretted it for 30 years
Never too late to make amends.  Social media can be used for good.

I take that back it can be "too late".  I had a friend who passed recently, we stopped talking on pretty bad terms.  I just never got around to tracking him down, too embarssed and besides we're on our 20's, we have time.  I was wrong.

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Sept 5, 2013 12:15:58 GMT -4 Virgil Sentinel said:

You no doubt thought it was subversive.

Why not bite the bullet, start up your own website with gay jokes about Dan Cathy and Pat Robertson? There certainly aren't enough of those already.

Don't you think SNL wore that out with the "Pat" skits?  

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2013 11:15:58 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Sept 5, 2013 10:49:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

if you thought that was all that made this joke funny, then you must fall into one of those categories.

You no doubt thought it was subversive.

no, i thought it was hilarious.  you didn't.  that's fine with me.  my sense of humor is totally warped.  what i find funny very few others do.  that is why i RARELY JOKE HERE.

Why not bite the bullet, start up your own website with gay jokes about Dan Cathy and Pat Robertson? There certainly aren't enough of those already.

you seem to have a better background in tasteless humor than i.  i have no idea what you are talking about.

[djAdvocate]

PS- Virgil.....you are doing it again.....

you are obsessing on a sidebar that management and everyone here has already let go.  you are making ME the target of YOUR ridicule and criticism, rather than sticking to the topic.  and, lastly, you are subverting the thread, and trolling.  in other words, you are doing all of the stuff that you criticize others for doing.  time to reflect, and knock it off.

this personal assessment moment was brought to you by djpolldancer.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 5, 2013 11:16:31 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

i had a wonderful friendship end because i was blunt. i have regretted it for 30 years
Never too late to make amends.  Social media can be used for good.

i have tried.  not working.  besides, he is in Alaska now.

I take that back it can be "too late".  I had a friend who passed recently, we stopped talking on pretty bad terms.  I just never got around to tracking him down, too embarssed and besides we're on our 20's, we have time.  I was wrong.

i was wrong too, but i tracked him down.  he is not very forgiving.  life goes on.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

life goes on.


Yeah.  DH pointed out it wouldn't have been that hard for him to track me down, so it isn't like the entire burden is on me.  We stopped being friends for a reason.

[Shooby]

Sept 5, 2013 11:12:03 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 5, 2013 10:27:04 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Living with the consequences may include a loss of business but it certainly should include death threats and other threats of harm or violence.

My goodness!  Imagine that-only conservative or religious folks get anonymous death threats!


You really need to stop reading only WorldNutDaily and Breitbart for your news.  The world is bigger than your little cocoon.

Your knee jerk reaction and the knee jerk reaction is to always DENY that this ever happens while pointing your finger at the Tea Party Boogeyman! 

[mmhmm]

Sept 5, 2013 11:04:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 5, 2013 10:33:56 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I just don't get the humour. I've heard variations on that particular pun well over a hundred times. Maybe it's still new and exciting for Gen X-ers and older. I don't know.

Two words:  Lake Titicaca.

O. M. G!  Until this moment I never saw Lake Titicaca that way! 

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[kittensaver]

Sept 5, 2013 11:47:20 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Sept 5, 2013 11:12:03 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

My goodness!  Imagine that-only conservative or religious folks get anonymous death threats!


You really need to stop reading only WorldNutDaily and Breitbart for your news.  The world is bigger than your little cocoon.

Your knee jerk reaction and the knee jerk reaction is to always DENY that this ever happens while pointing your finger at the Tea Party Boogeyman! 

Last time I knew (last presidential voting season), there were LOTS and LOTS of Tea Party Boogeymen openly (but anonymously) expressing glee over the anonymous death threats Obama was receiving. Some of them were actually issuing them . . . (anonymously on chat boards, of course).

Why is it not acceptable for a religious person to get a death threat (for what they believe), but it's somehow okay for a political figure to get one (for what he believes)?

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THEIRS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS!!! 

[kittensaver]

Sept 5, 2013 12:11:48 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

THEIRS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS!!! 

You're right - I keep forgetting .

Doesn't that teeny insulated cocoon ever get too tight? Just wondering . . .

[Tennesseer]

Sept 5, 2013 12:05:26 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Sept 5, 2013 11:04:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Two words:  Lake Titicaca.

O. M. G!  Until this moment I never saw Lake Titicaca that way! 

You must have missed that day in 6th grade geography class when Lake Titicaca was first spoken by the teacher.  It was a snicker riot I tell you.

[mmhmm]

LOL, Tenn.   I guess the ability to make that connection came along sometime between the time I finished 6th grade and the time you entered it! 

[Tennesseer]

Sept 5, 2013 12:07:53 GMT -5 kittensaver said:

Sept 5, 2013 11:47:20 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Your knee jerk reaction and the knee jerk reaction is to always DENY that this ever happens while pointing your finger at the Tea Party Boogeyman! 

Last time I knew (last presidential voting season), there were LOTS and LOTS of Tea Party Boogeymen openly (but anonymously) expressing glee over the anonymous death threats Obama was receiving. Some of them were actually issuing them . . . (anonymously on chat boards, of course).

Why is it not acceptable for a religious person to get a death threat (for what they believe), but it's somehow okay for a political figure to get one (for what he believes)?

Shooby conveniently overlooked this story and link when I responded to her repeated posts abouth death threats to the bakery owner.  I highly doubt those terrible liberals would have threatened the cafe owner.


Denver restaurant owners get death threats over Romney refusal

[mmhmm]

ROFL!  I just shared Lake Titicaca with mother.  She had no clue until I laid it out for her!  It ain't my fault!  I was raised by someone as dense as I am! 

[mmhmm]

I don't see any real connection between the death threats received by the bakery owners and the underlying issue of discrimination, personally.  Hell, I've received death threats.  There are kooks everywhere.  Nobody can control what kooks do.  If the law can find the kooks who made the death threats, they've broken the law, as well, and should be responsible for the consequences thereof; however, it's a separate issue, in my eyes.

[sesfw]

'Lake Titicaca.'

Huh?

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2013 8:53:27 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

The Chick a filet joke should have stood. Due to current federal guidelines, same sex marriage is ok, therefore some old off color jokes that were considered off limits in their day (before same sex marriage) are now an everyday allowed act in marriage, and are just part of everyday living in some relationships.
Obviously, the Federal Government permits these acts, so there is nothing illicit or wrong in posting them.

The joke was NOT pulled do to sensitivity of gay issues.  It was pulled because it is not PG-13, and therefore is against the Code of Conduct set up by ProBoards.  If we violate that this whole board can be shut down for good.  This does not offend our sensibilities, it offends our hosts sensibilities.  Therefore, any post that is not suitable for PG-13 audiences will continue to be pulled.

deminmaine- Moderator.

Let's keep up the good fight here!

Who determines what is considered PG-13? I mean...if you take it by PG-13 movie standards of today, then unless there is graphic nudity you are pretty much covered. You can even drop about 7 F-bombs with graphic violence and a bit of nudity in a PG-13 movie these days.

[Miss Tequila]

Sept 5, 2013 10:58:43 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 5, 2013 10:52:57 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I was thinking about this last night (I need a life! lol).  The couple were apparently fairly regular customers of the bakers. 

I think where the bakers went wrong is they went with personal reasons rather than business and assumed since the couple were such good regular customers they'd understand.  That backfired on them.

If they had been thinking from a business perspective the smart thing would have been to go ahead and turn down the business but don't word it in a way that can get you sued.

What I can say to people in my personal life is quite different from what I can say in my professional life.  I have to watch my words carefully so I don't end up getting myself canned.   I can still stand for my "principals" if I desire but I'd also really like to keep my job so I do a political dance I wouldn't be if I was talking to DH, a friend or even on here.

this is precisely it.  but Virgil seems to think not telling them that you are "not going to make a queerbo wedding cake" is somehow lying.  in my world, it is called BEING DIPLOMATIC.

And this is where I am going to call a lot of you hypocrites. If I am reading these posts correctly, the fact that they discriminated is ok but the fact that they were stupid enough to tell them why they deserve to be in trouble. So honesty is bad?