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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:40:22 GMT -5
Stay Put Message #271 - 09/24/09 11:46 PM
I don't make the weather. I just report it.
Ok. Do just a little bit of homework, and you will find that UN multi-national forces do in fact train right here in the good old USA. Their training consists of handling inner city uprisings, eerily cloning US cities. Tear yourself away from this message board and spend about a half an hour on google. Don't bother with only the fringe sites, but instead, look at only the reputable ones. Your eyes will be opened. I promise.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:42:30 GMT -5
illumination fascination Message #272 - 09/25/09 05:44 AM
I believe the average citizen is already nearly flat broke.
The prospect of the system failing is far less scary than it succeeding. After all, does anyone really need to support a vacant ideology based solely on greed without any empathy for other people. If you are a rational thinking person you know what a crock it is to believe in a system that serves primarily the interests of the few over that of the many.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:43:46 GMT -5
Reformed DayTrader Message #273 - 09/25/09 07:26 AM
This is basically the central theme of the new movie "Capitalism, A Love Story" produced, directed, and staring Michael Moore....check it out because this time his movie is not funny but very scary as you pointed out.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:44:03 GMT -5
yes man 259 Message #274 - 09/25/09 07:32 AM
What I find surprising after reading the right leaning peoples posts, in regard to fixing the economy, have not read a single post about GWB's solution to fixing the economy. More tax cuts.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:44:23 GMT -5
davebuck Message #275 - 09/25/09 07:42 AM
Hey, I am invested in the stock market and plan to make billions of worthless dollars. DXD is double DOW down. Between that and GOLD, I believe I have a chance for survival as long as I have a lot of bullets for my .45.
By they way, to the one who felt DOW would be under 1000, that is certainly a possibility.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:45:04 GMT -5
AKA sanityjones Message #276 - 09/25/09 09:28 AM
That's because tax cuts are nothing more than pencil pushing accounting gimmicks designed to make people feel good. I think the working class may have finally realized that. All a tax cut represents to me is my government telling me how much of my own money I can keep after working my ass completely off to make a living, and then finding that they were full of sh!t in their promises. All the tax cuts in the world will not be enough to keep most people in bill money once inflation goes through the roof.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:45:48 GMT -5
Stay Put Message #277 - 09/25/09 01:10 PM
Don't worry. Uncle Ben is keeping the interest rates at zero. Wait a minute. That's detrimental to any hope of a recovery.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:46:12 GMT -5
Stay Put Message #278 - 09/25/09 01:17 PM
The itsy bitsy stock market went up the government spout. Down came reality, and washed the market out.
Out came the Dems and blamed the GOP, and the itsy bitsy market will not see profits again
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:46:47 GMT -5
Stay Put Message #279 - 09/25/09 02:24 PM
In a nation with any real population, true freedom will have many perceived problems. To some, the solution to the perceived problems, associated with true freedom, can be only be answered by means of tyranny. With tyranny, however, all people subject to it quickly realize the multitude of real problems suffered by all under that system. By the time that tyranny takes hold, it is usually too late to reverse.
Tyranny can easily overthrow the freedom of a people and often times in a bloodless coup. Freedom, however, is something that must be fought for by its people, to either receive and often to keep secure.
Stay Put
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:47:37 GMT -5
Reformed DayTrader Message #280 - 09/29/09 07:54 AM Are we still on track for this so called Economic Collapse this fall or are we in the early stages of a RECOVERY?
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:48:10 GMT -5
RogerB34 Message #281 - 09/29/09 12:00 PM
No economic collapse this Fall.
Going to take several years and is dependent on Progressive tax, rules and regulations on the economy.
Clearly, a Government managed economy will produce less goods and services.
Meaning fewer jobs and a large welfare state.
Economic stagnation is good for Global Warming and that will happen here and in the EU.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:49:19 GMT -5
Reformed DayTrader Message #282 - 09/29/09 12:35 PMAs this charts shows consumers are the key to a strong recovery or none at all, because of concerns about employment, higher taxes, and less savings because of the Obamanation economic policies.. Who knows what the effect will be on consumers with the current Middle East crisis which is looming just below the surface while Obama just talks, and talks, and talks and has no record of anything being accomplished since he took office in mid January of this year. When it comes to securing their financial future and that of their family, consumers aren't just looking for investment opportunities or insurance protection. They're looking for objective advice they can really trust. The tragedy is, too often that's not what they're getting and they don't realize it as we witnessed last year when we had a meltdown last September 10th.. If the financial services industry fails to address that, its stature in the eyes of consumers will always remain precarious at best. And if you think consumer trust in this industry has eroded over the past year, just wait until people figure out where some financial professionals' i.e. Jim Rogers, Peter Schiff, Bill Fleckenstein, Jim Cramer to name just a few and where their real allegiances lie. It'll make the current crisis of confidence look like a walk in the park. And how many more Bernie Maddoffs are laughing all the way to their banks because the SEC is asleep at the switch?
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:49:47 GMT -5
Synee Message #283 - 09/29/09 04:28 PMStay Put: It's Fall, where is it? You know the economic collapse! Syne
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:51:06 GMT -5
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:52:06 GMT -5
Synee Message #285 - 09/29/09 06:40 PM
GE has done very well since I first bought it in April, just took an almost 40% profit! Many other stocks did exceedingly well also.
Syne
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:53:07 GMT -5
Reformed DayTrader Message #286 - 09/30/09 06:18 AM
Falling dollar and rising commodities reflect recovery
Sources: FactSet, the Commodity Research Bureau, and the Federal Reserve as of September 16, 2009.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:53:53 GMT -5
Stay Put Message #287 - 09/30/09 09:18 AMActually it's not officially "Fall", and the Fall season is not a day, it's a season. Oh, this may be of interest to you. Have you taken a look at the markets? Dow, Nasdaq, S&P ALL dropping. Stay Put
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:54:19 GMT -5
Synee Message #288 - 09/30/09 11:11 AM
Ok I understand that fall is a season and your play on words, it's falling, it's falling.
Perhaps today is the beginning of the collapse you predicted, we'll see.
Syne
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:54:44 GMT -5
Reformed DayTrader Message #289 - 09/30/09 12:40 PM
As of 13:40 PM 30-09-09 the DOW +10.51 and the NASDAQ + 7.00 led by the tech stocks again but who knows what will happen just before the final bell on Wall St if some traders decide to lock in their profits for the 3rd quarter...
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 15:55:04 GMT -5
davebuck Message #290 - 09/30/09 12:46 PM
RDT. Great Charts. Exactly the same as 1929-1930. The DOW recovered 50% of its loss before heading down down down.
A country that produces nothing but spenders and lawyers isn't going to flourish. Why would anyone want our monopoly money?? Until we get back to our roots, we are looking at a 'jobless recovery'. I believe the market has mades it 50% recovery and will be heading south in the very near future. Gold and Silver are real money!
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:27:31 GMT -5
traelin0 Message #292 - 09/30/09 01:08 PM
Well if nothing else, the last rally exceeded my expectations. At one time I mentioned a 10k top, but I really didn't believe it would happen, LOL. I figured 9k was more realistic, and I figured it would peter out in the early summer (if memory serves me correctly).
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:28:28 GMT -5
Reformed DayTrader Message #293 - 09/30/09 01:15 PM
Dow closed @ 204 on 30-09-30 and it should close today @ 9750 and the DOW index in the 30's is not the same as the DOW Index today....so I really don't see the comparison between Sept 30, 1930 and Sept 30, 2009. DOW stocks. In the '30's a 50% loss in the Dow was @ 100 points and as you know we have 100 points swings almost every day in today's markets..
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:28:48 GMT -5
Stay Put Message #294 - 09/30/09 02:40 PM
How does the saying go? Those who fail to recognize history, are doomed to repeat it?
Make all of the excuses as to how the markets today are supposedly so different than the situation in 1929. You are right to some extent. Just remember to add ALL of the differences between today's markets to those of our grand parents. We also do not have the manufacturing base of 1929; we don't have the exports of goods, today, as we did in 1929 (REAL comparative numbers); In 1929, our government made up about 3% of our GDP, today they make up about 50%.
So, you are right that things are different today than in 1929. The situation is today is nightmarish compared to 1929. Back then we had multiple safety nets that eventually pulled us out of the Great Depression. We have none of those safety nets today. This time around, the crash is going to be totally devastating, and will be far beyond peoples comprehension.
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:33:50 GMT -5
Reformed DayTrader Message #295 - 09/30/09 02:59 PM There's another saying " Those who live in the past are like clueless drivers with their eyes fixed on their rear view mirrors while chatting on their cell phones which is hazardous to their driving ability and others who share the roads with them" BTW September was a pretty good month for the Dow stocks instead of a disaster as Doom and Gloomers were predicting about a month ago: Now let's see how the Dow performs in October as we have companies coming in with their 3rd Quarter earnings....watch the tech stocks that are expected to rally especially the small cap techs and IPO's... So as that old saying goes...." We Shall See" 1d 5d 10d 1m 3m 6m YTD 1yr 3yr 5yr 10yr Max data.moneycentral.msn.com/scripts/chrtsrv.dll?symbol=%24INDU&E1=0&LPR=2&C1=0&C2=0&C3=264&C4=0&D5=0&D2=0&D4=1&DD=1&width=612&height=258&CE=0&CF=0
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:35:51 GMT -5
Stay Put Message #296 - 09/30/09 04:25 PM
Yes, we most certainly will. Now let me ask those of you pushing the hype about profits in the markets, not that being invested yourselves would in any way prejudice your whole positions that you constantly push, are you willing to give out your real contact info?
If I, and countless others are wrong, the worst that could happen is that people would make a little less profit. If you and other self interested individuals are wrong, you will be responsible for destroying the lives of millions of people just so you can pocket a few extra dollars.
In the stock market, someone has to lose for you to win, and most people are not made aware of that fact. I'm just wondering if you and your cronies are willing to meet with those people desperate enough to listen to you con artists?
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:36:24 GMT -5
Synee Message #297 - 09/30/09 05:11 PM
Stay Put:
You are badly confused if you think anything said on this board is going to influence individual investors one way or the other.
Syne
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:37:41 GMT -5
Stay Put Message #298 - 09/30/09 05:18 PMHave you let someone else read any of your posts? I'm "badly confused"? Where did you go to school?
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:41:52 GMT -5
Reformed DayTrader Message #299 - 09/30/09 06:28 PM
I use CyberTrader for my trades and stock data...
If I am wrong and the market collapses I am not so sure how I will be responsible for destroying the lives of millions of people. The markets collapsed last fall and it did indeed destroy the lives of millions of people but I don't think that will happen again and if it does I and other self interested individuals will not be to blame since all we do is trade stocks and bonds for a living and occasionly make some recommendations here....
Most traders know how to cut their losses or at the end of the year they can write off their losses when doing their Capital Gains and Losses Tax Preparation with their accountants, lawyers, or CPA's.......However 2008 was not a good year for us traders and hopefully 2009 will be an improvement....YTD it is looking pretty good, not awesome but pretty good but we still have October earnings to wade through before calling this year a winner....so stay tuned.. Not too sure about anyone being desperate enough to listen to us con artists and I would hope they rely on their own good judgment and common sense when investing in the stock or bond markets... But I did suggest jumping back into the markets last March and it turned out be be a good call and very profitable for those who did just that, especially if they bought tech stocks or IPO's which are doing OK this year as I said several times before on this and other threads about the markets.
The 10 richest Americans lost a combined $39.2 billion in the past 12 months, a 14% decline. Somehow I don't feel they have anything to worry about and nobody is feeling sorry for them. But Michael Moore is one who is probably ecstatic with this tid bit of news.. .
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Post by traelin0 on Dec 21, 2010 18:43:14 GMT -5
Synee Message #300 - 09/30/09 06:47 PM
University of Maryland, and you, LOL.
Syne
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